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So I had Kutuzov for a long time, and my highest point Soviet commander is specialised for it. Currently 14 points spent out of 16, like this:

 

1: PT

2: EM

3: SI

4: IFHE + CE

 

I am using the same captain now on Donskoi, will probably get Moskva some day, but I guess this setup is not optimal? Does Moskva benefit from IFHE at all? My next free Soviet captain is only 10 points.

 

Do I:

- get AR and keep using him on the higher tier ships anyway?

- wait a bit and get DE to offset IFHE and keep using him anyway?

- respec him for Moskva and play Kutuzov without IFHE?

- start training my 10-point guy?

 

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I think Kutu benefits a lot from IHFE like other 155er CLs. So it makes sense to have an IHFE Captain and a non IFHE for Moskva.   

 

So maybe with the IHFE Kutu Captain, you can equip another russian Cl in Midtier just for fun? I still have Buddy, Schtorsch and Tschappy while leveling Donskoi.   

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Moskva have no use of IFHE, on other hand you have entire line of IMO solid ships that live by IFHE. Depending on how you like T10 gameplay (or can afford it) you might keep 16lvl captain on midtier funboat and keep leveling him on Kutuzov, while Moskva get 10lvl captain. Its enough to get Concealment Expert and Priority Target, only truly mandatory skills in this game IMO

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Thanks guys. If Moksva works fine with a 10-point captain and with my 16 one 4 of those are wasted anyway, guess I'll do that. Probably I'll put Viktor Znamensky on Donskoi already, give him an extra couple of points by the time I hit Moskva. For 10 point Moskva, SI or DE on 3rd row?

 

I don't hugely enjoy high tier play but Moskva is something really cool looking and different (it's a compromise because I know I'll never get Stalingrad). Maybe if one day I can get Kronshtadtd I'll probably never play Moskva again but for now I want it.

 

As for mid tiers, well...

 

Chapaev - I played it with stealth fire, now that it lost it I would see no point playing it over Kutuzov

Budyonny - I have a Molotov, I would basically always play that if I wanted T6 soviet cruiser action

Shchors - meh. I did well when grinding it, was kind of fun but not enough that I'd be desperate to re-buy

 

So I guess my IFHE captain will be Kutuzov dedicated. And for trolling low tiers with CE-IFHE Varayg :Smile_trollface:

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3 hours ago, VC381 said:

Thanks guys. If Moksva works fine with a 10-point captain and with my 16 one 4 of those are wasted anyway, guess I'll do that. Probably I'll put Viktor Znamensky on Donskoi already, give him an extra couple of points by the time I hit Moskva. For 10 point Moskva, SI or DE on 3rd row?

 

I don't hugely enjoy high tier play but Moskva is something really cool looking and different (it's a compromise because I know I'll never get Stalingrad). Maybe if one day I can get Kronshtadtd I'll probably never play Moskva again but for now I want it.

 

As for mid tiers, well...

 

Chapaev - I played it with stealth fire, now that it lost it I would see no point playing it over Kutuzov

Budyonny - I have a Molotov, I would basically always play that if I wanted T6 soviet cruiser action

Shchors - meh. I did well when grinding it, was kind of fun but not enough that I'd be desperate to re-buy

 

So I guess my IFHE captain will be Kutuzov dedicated. And for trolling low tiers with CE-IFHE Varayg :Smile_trollface:

Kirov. Base 30mm HE pen is enough to damage most BB platings, but with IFHE you open up Normandie, Lyon, Fuso, Konig and Bayern decks

 

Skill wise, I'd go with SI for 10pointer Moskva guy. She isn't as much as HE spammer to justify getting Demo just yet. And I don't think Stalin/Kron outdo Moskva - Moskva already have issues with citadeling broadside cruisers at short range, while she packs double the rate of fire. 305mm only will overmatch Tea Kruzers, they might have penetration for long range BB citadels main belt penetration, but I can imagine those Stalinium Velocity Armor Piercing will have hard time sticking to cruisers

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9 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Kirov. Base 30mm HE pen is enough to damage most BB platings, but with IFHE you open up Normandie, Lyon, Fuso, Konig and Bayern decks

 

Skill wise, I'd go with SI for 10pointer Moskva guy. She isn't as much as HE spammer to justify getting Demo just yet. And I don't think Stalin/Kron outdo Moskva - Moskva already have issues with citadeling broadside cruisers at short range, while she packs double the rate of fire. 305mm only will overmatch Tea Kruzers, they might have penetration for long range BB citadels main belt penetration, but I can imagine those Stalinium Velocity Armor Piercing will have hard time sticking to cruisers

 

So by extension Molotov also benefits from IFHE to pen those BB decks?

 

I don't know if Stalin/Kron out-do Moskva, we don't really know that yet. It's more if I'm going to play a sexy Soviet super-cruiser project I don't see the point in having more than one, and Kron is cooler and more novel assuming I can get it.

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Its a pretty straight forward choice 4 here. Start training that new captain. There are too many differences between Kutu/donskoi and Moskva. The CLs dont need EM but need IFHE while Mosvka does need EM but not IFHE. Also Moskva also benefits a lot from fire survivability skills like FP and BoS due to large health pool biggest threat is DoT and HE spam. 

 

If possible put the Znamensky commander on Moskva (Kronshtadt and Stalingrad if you will get those), the brother on one of the DDs and use a seperate one for Donskoi/Kutuzov/Chapayev. Molotov can use both a Kutuzov commander and Moskva commander, while Makarov only really works with Moskva commander.

 

Personally I kept Donskoi as its very unique compared to Moskva and is one of the better tier 9 ships in the game. My builds for:

Dimitri Donskoi/Kutuzov/Chapayev non-unique commander

Moskva/Kronshtadt/Stalingrad Znamensky unique commander

 

Note that these are commander builds that are both viable in Competitive modes and randoms. Ofc if you division up with a CV in either of these ships a lot I would try to slot in AFT for the CL commander and Manual AA for Moskva commander.

 

Ofc most of the skills I put in are optional, outside of CE, SI, AR for both, IFHE and DE for CLs and EM for CAs.

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Nice, that's mostly in line with what I was thinking except I generally take PT on all cruisers. I'm not especially enjoying Donskoi though, not a keeper in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, VC381 said:

 

So by extension Molotov also benefits from IFHE to pen those BB decks?

Yep. Donskoi is the greatest benefactor of IFHE, as it enables her to damage 32mm and 38mm plating. Former being on every hightier battleboat, latter on USN hightier BB decks/amidships

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1 hour ago, VC381 said:

Nice, that's mostly in line with what I was thinking except I generally take PT on all cruisers. I'm not especially enjoying Donskoi though, not a keeper in my opinion.

Yep tier 1 skills are always very subjective. 

Im a PM user myself, I see most people pref PT on cruisers. For some ships I even take expert loader over PM, some cases its direction centre for catapult aircraft. One guy I know even prioritizes incoming fire alert for some ships like Roon and Hindenburg. 

 

Still though, even if Donskoi isnt a keeper, Chapa is bound to be viable in competitive modes so you might be inclined to keep your commander for it instead of Donskoi to go with your Kutuzov.

43 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Yep. Donskoi is the greatest benefactor of IFHE, as it enables her to damage 32mm and 38mm plating. Former being on every hightier battleboat, latter on USN hightier BB decks/amidships

Ahh its soooo satisfying to shoot at Iowas and Montanas with Donskoi. Said BB players only really play as if Hburg and Roon are an HE threat due to their 38mm armor, but in comes Donskoi with railguns and 38mm HE pen and wrecks their day.

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Thanks again all. Yes, I think keeping my IFHE commander is a good idea even if I have no immediate use for him.

 

He's now 17 points, so 3 spare. From what you've posted, seems you don't bother getting DE to offset the IFHE?

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The only TX ship that actually kind of benefits from IFHE is Henry IV, as IFHE makes her capable of penetrating 50mm decks with HE, but that's about it.

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