Why players not are climbing the ranks in Ranked as expected

[B010011A]

3 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

I'd like to hear how well it translates. Maybe in a week or so?

 

Yea, I just got back into rank 4 after a nice comeback no thanks to me, even though I managed to stay in the battle and cap 2 caps (sounds a lot better now), and another game in which I managed to top. The thing is that teams are better than in Random battles, there are less opportunities to take advantage of enemy team's stupidity ............

 

And everyone and their grandmother knows where you are as a lone dd trying to cap that middle base. You're lucky if there's only one radar close by to take into account. The focus is just so much greater. Yes, there are bad plays, but the frustration from many players is mostly due to that the opposition is taking advantage of mistakes just as much as your team and that's not as common in Random games.

 

I've been looking over my dd build and pondered about different ships, but I'm sticking with YY for the moment, switching only between smoke and radar now and then. Still pretty fun in Ranked, as long as you walk away at the right moments.

 

Edit not sure if I complimented you last time I saw you, might have run out. Well played either way. Tough game :(

Yeah, we shared quite some frustrating and also fun games where even if you play well, doesnt pay off. Actually thw games i most enjoyed was those where i was carried, ironically :D 

Yeah, i gave you quiite some +1 too. Actually, i think that the build doesnt matter, but the result of 7 players going for the objective, which isnt working for me, cause most of the time im not backed up... Or when im backed up, the other part of the team is stomped like an egg against the wall...

I actually started underperforming in damage, thanks to getting burnt out.

[loppantorkel]

@bearpt , got a poll just for you.

[Turbeen]

I dont continue to play ranked battles, because ... I have reached rank 10, but I dont have tier X ship.

 

Why I dont have tier X ship so far?   As some players smiled at me in the past, or some of them still remind me my stats (... "because of your stats, you are not valid player, etc "...). It is like a hobby for some players - they are looking for your stats immediately, not even thinking about arguments, which you bring on the table ...  So I havent rushed to progress on tier X, I have enough ships on tier VIII, and two ships on tier IX, but no ship on X.

 

And probably .. I wont rush to get tier X ship this ranked season probably.  XPs and silvers are not the problem, but totally unexperienced captain is ... What is the sense to play on tier X against opponents, who have captains trained on 15-19 level, if you have captain level 4-6 ... ?  So ... WG, from my point of view tier X was not wrong decission, but communication of idea to have tier X in ranked battles was insufficient totally - should be done already  e.g. during Christmas.

 

So sorry for not continuing in ranked battles, but ... just now ... I simply cant  - thanks for understanding !

[B010011A]

40 minutes ago, Turbeen said:

I dont continue to play ranked battles, because ... I have reached rank 10, but I dont have tier X ship.

 

Why I dont have tier X ship so far?   As some players smiled at me in the past, or some of them still remind me my stats (... "because of your stats, you are not valid player, etc "...). It is like a hobby for some players - they are looking for your stats immediately, not even thinking about arguments, which you bring on the table ...  So I havent rushed to progress on tier X, I have enough ships on tier VIII, and two ships on tier IX, but no ship on X.

 

And probably .. I wont rush to get tier X ship this ranked season probably.  XPs and silvers are not the problem, but totally unexperienced captain is ... What is the sense to play on tier X against opponents, who have captains trained on 15-19 level, if you have captain level 4-6 ... ?  So ... WG, from my point of view tier X was not wrong decission, but communication of idea to have tier X in ranked battles was insufficient totally - should be done already  e.g. during Christmas.

 

So sorry for not continuing in ranked battles, but ... just now ... I simply cant  - thanks for understanding !

I dont know how you can have a captain of 4-6points on your 2 tier9 ships if you have progressed the tiers. You should have a 15point captain on Tier9 or around that points, depending on how hard your grind was :/

I actually grinded roon to get Hindenburg for ranked and when i got the Tier10 i already had a 17point captain.

In that moment had 3 tier tens. Almost all with 19point captains and positive stats.

[Turbeen]

6 minutes ago, B010011A said:

I dont know how you can have a captain of 4-6points on your 2 tier9 ships if you have progressed the tiers. You should have a 15point captain on Tier9 or around that points, depending on how hard your grind was :/

I actually grinded roon to get Hindenburg for ranked and when i got the Tier10 i already had a 17point captain.

In that moment had 3 tier tens. Almost all with 19point captains and positive stats.

Yeah .. I have e.g. one 15 points captain on one of my tier VIII DD, but ... if you want to put this captain on other  ship, you have to retrain him, right?   So .. how long does it take to retrain your 19 points captain from the IX tier ship to X tier ship?  Or when this captain is fully functional on tier X ?

[B010011A]

1 hour ago, Turbeen said:

Yeah .. I have e.g. one 15 points captain on one of my tier VIII DD, but ... if you want to put this captain on other  ship, you have to retrain him, right?   So .. how long does it take to retrain your 19 points captain from the IX tier ship to X tier ship?  Or when this captain is fully functional on tier X ?

Put some flags, some camoes that you earnt and 200K credits to have him half retrained, and wont take you much time. And a 15point captain is easy retrainable. I bet that you have loads of camos and flags that give you more than 100% captain XP, use them. I also think that you are able to retrain those captains with elite XP, but since you told us that you dont have 19point captains, you must not have elite XP.

But yeah, having low XP captains is only an excuse for me, cause they are easy to upgrade on points if you play regularly those ships and enjoy them.

[SV_Kompresor]

One day I hope WG allows 2 man divisions in ranked.....that'd make it a lot less frustrating and maybe, just maybe actually a little fun.

[loppantorkel]

50 minutes ago, domen3 said:

One day I hope WG allows 2 man divisions in ranked.....that'd make it a lot less frustrating and maybe, just maybe actually a little fun.

You got Random and CB for that.. They won't allow div for Ranked, neither should they.

[eliastion]

54 minutes ago, domen3 said:

One day I hope WG allows 2 man divisions in ranked.....that'd make it a lot less frustrating and maybe, just maybe actually a little fun.

There is one, ONE game mode in the game that is actually all about your individual performance, with small teams and no divisions allowed. If they allowed divs, Ranked would lose any meaning it might still have (and would become decidedly UNfun for anyone NOT playing in a division).

There is a mode for organized play - it's the Clan Battles. Ranked are exclusively for solo queue - and that's how it should be. Randoms are a hybrid, making up for the huge impact of divisions by having relatively big teams. You can't have small teams AND divisions allowed because that would completely derail the mode - playing solo just wouldn't be viable.

[Turbeen]

1 hour ago, B010011A said:

Put some flags, some camoes that you earnt and 200K credits to have him half retrained, and wont take you much time. And a 15point captain is easy retrainable. I bet that you have loads of camos and flags that give you more than 100% captain XP, use them. I also think that you are able to retrain those captains with elite XP, but since you told us that you dont have 19point captains, you must not have elite XP.

But yeah, having low XP captains is only an excuse for me, cause they are easy to upgrade on points if you play regularly those ships and enjoy them.

Excuse ... ha ha ha ... as I said, I have enough ships on tier VIII. Whats more ... I play all nations in WoWs - I dont go up fast vertically, but I have wide spread of ships horizontally.

Yes, I play regularly ALL ships, which means ... points on all captains dont increase fast, especially in the short-run (... "hey players, ranked season  ... with tier X ships begins within next month .. ").

 

[SV_Kompresor]

2 minutes ago, eliastion said:

There is one, ONE game mode in the game that is actually all about your individual performance, with small teams and no divisions allowed. If they allowed divs, Ranked would lose any meaning it might still have (and would become decidedly UNfun for anyone NOT playing in a division).

There is a mode for organized play - it's the Clan Battles. Ranked are exclusively for solo queue - and that's how it should be. Randoms are a hybrid, making up for the huge impact of divisions by having relatively big teams. You can't have small teams AND divisions allowed because that would completely derail the mode - playing solo just wouldn't be viable.

Too bad the game mode you're referring to requires 7 not 2

[eliastion]

1 minute ago, domen3 said:

Too bad the game mode you're referring to requires 7 not 2

If 7 is too much, then stick to Randoms, there you can have  2-3 people in a div and still derail the mode only a bit

 

I mean, seriously, it doesn't take a genius to realize what an impact even 2-person div would have on the outcome of a Ranked match. It would be ridiculous.

[SV_Kompresor]

15 minutes ago, eliastion said:

I mean, seriously, it doesn't take a genius to realize what an impact even 2-person div would have on the outcome of a Ranked match. It would be ridiculous.

Yeah because only one team would have those.....

[eliastion]

55 minutes ago, domen3 said:

Yeah because only one team would have those.....

If every match wasdecided by a coin toss, it would be balanced. But that's not exactly what it should be all about, right? The same here. Just because you can win just as well as lose because of this doesn't make it a good idea. The impact of a solo player would be diminished compared to now - and that would be a fatal flaw in a game mode designed with the idea of a player proving their individual skill as a solo player in mind.

 

And then there's the obvious problem of fairness. Ranked is about individual skill and working together with random teams against random teams. Some players getting the benefit of

 - better coordination (likely assisted by voice communication)

 - coordinated ship picks

 - ensured higher overall skill level of the team (if two good players div up that's one less slot on their team for some random potato)

would go against the very idea of Ranked.

 

If you don't like the dedicated solo queue mode then just leave it alone and don't play it, it's as simple as that. There are other game modes that suit your tastes better. As in, every other mode. Don't get obsessed with the one that's clearly not for you.

[BrigadierRosen]

good thing i haven't hit tier 8 yet. unless you don't need a tier 8 ship to play ranked battles.

[Shaka_D]

When you look over at a team mate during the countdown of a ranked battle and see he has a 44% win rate and playing a zao you have to wonder if you're being elitist in judging him. The clock reaches zero and he yolos straight to the middle and gets killed in the first 2 mins, if that. Another game lost in ranked and that star you worked so hard for the previous game for almost 20 minutes is gone in 4 minutes because one or two anus-faced players are too stupid to realise they should be playing tier 1 in coop mode, but instead they choose to screw up the game in ranked for some of us.

 

I'm getting a little tired of waiting to see if the MM gives me a fair line-up in game in a competitive mode like ranked battles. It should be a fair line-up EVERY game otherwise it remains a joke and WG look like trolling fools. A flip the coin method of distributing players is backward and frustrating. I tried ranked again today, hoping. 1 win, 4 losses, still in rank 10. Not a bad player, surely not deserving to remain in one spot for reasons not in my control. Marginal players I can accept, but there are so many players so damned bad at this game they should not be allowed to even mention tier 10....There is something really wrong with WG to adopt a one-size -fits-all approach to ranked battles like this.  It's hard to make top star each game, especially when playing a dd - -the top notch favours class over contribution.

[loppantorkel]

25 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

 It's hard to make top star each game, especially when playing a dd - -the top notch favours class over contribution.

Meta is shifting more and more toward radar cruisers it seems. Given the amount of spotting radar provides and only one middle cap that at all times can be covered by a protected cruiser, the dd's role is marginal and the damage output (for starretention) is very variable. I hope WG takes a look at this...

[Culiacan_Mexico]

32 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

Meta is shifting more and more toward radar cruisers it seems. Given the amount of spotting radar provides and only one middle cap that at all times can be covered by a protected cruiser, the dd's role is marginal and the damage output (for starretention) is very variable. I hope WG takes a look at this...

Add more radar.  Longer range and duration.

[loppantorkel]

42 minutes ago, Culiacan_Mexico said:

Add more radar.  Longer range and duration.

Don't forget more hydros to protect against dd nasty torps.. can't have enough counters against this powerful class.

[GulvkluderGuld]

7 hours ago, loppantorkel said:

Meta is shifting more and more toward radar cruisers it seems. Given the amount of spotting radar provides and only one middle cap that at all times can be covered by a protected cruiser, the dd's role is marginal and the damage output (for starretention) is very variable. I hope WG takes a look at this...

WG answer:

Add BB with radar (Stalingrad)

Then add Russian BBs with radar and hydro

Finally introduce the long awaited BB AP fix which will make all hits on DDs with BB AP do full pen damage.

Year of the AP fix. Now working as intended ^(TM)

 

DDs at tX have a very hard time surviving once spotted. Maybe adding heal would help.

Also rewards for spotting needs to go way up as permaspotting is the most  powerful weapon of any DD

The very lack of CVs in tier X means everyone and their mother runs hydro so making CVs playable would also help.

[ghostbuster_]

18 hours ago, eliastion said:

There is one, ONE game mode in the game that is actually all about your individual performance, with small teams and no divisions allowed. If they allowed divs, Ranked would lose any meaning it might still have (and would become decidedly UNfun for anyone NOT playing in a division).

There is a mode for organized play - it's the Clan Battles. Ranked are exclusively for solo queue - and that's how it should be. Randoms are a hybrid, making up for the huge impact of divisions by having relatively big teams. You can't have small teams AND divisions allowed because that would completely derail the mode - playing solo just wouldn't be viable.

Is it all about you individual performance? No it isnt. If your team decides to go full r.tard mod, it doesnt matter what you do. Thats why having 2 man divs in ranked would be really nice indeed but its never gonna happen...

[Ysterpyp]

 

 

I picked i got hacked because clearly ,  the guy who is  playing ranked  on my acccount isint the true me anymore ;)

 

Got to rank6 easily , and now stuck between 7/2 - 6/2 for 40 games , thank u potato me

 

[eliastion]

3 hours ago, ghostbuster_ said:

Is it all about you individual performance? No it isnt. If your team decides to go full r.tard mod, it doesnt matter what you do. Thats why having 2 man divs in ranked would be really nice indeed but its never gonna happen...

It IS all about individual performance.

Dealing with completely random teams is part of that. The small size of the team emphasizes single player's contribution towards the victory. NOT ALLOWING DIVISIONS puts everyone on equal ground, without giving a free pass to people who div up and without reducing the impact of solo players on the results of their matches whenever a div (or a couple divs) show up.

That's why having 2-man divs in Ranked would be really awful indeed but its never gonna happen.

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

On 11.5.2018 at 5:27 PM, loppantorkel said:

I'd like to hear how well it translates. Maybe in a week or so?

Okay, some days on and time for an update. I refrained from playing on Saturday, on Sundays it was a mixed bag and today I  reached 6.3. 

 

Most games I lose come down to bbs going on an adventure or not shooting crucial targets. Radar yy pays off quite nicely. I'm averaging just below 60k despite some early deaths at about 60%wr. I actually do notice quite a number of players using cw familiar tactics which serves as a great benefit. Once I'm in the r5+ bracket and have a few games there I will come back to you. So far it remains fairly enjoyable. 

[RC_8015]

All ships from T1 till T6 on elite, leveling all T7 right now. Means? Reached rank 10 with premiums only (*cough* Asashiofunboat *cough*)

Until next season I therefore have to reach T10 with all ships as I dont plan on leaving out any ships! Just rage phase every time I reach a new tier....HoW dO I Do wArShiPss??HoW tHis Ship woRKs?