darky_fighter Players 5,649 posts Report post #51 Posted May 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said: as i sad - 43%WR You are just provoking because you know that you have no points anymore. Watch streams and learn. You have to learn a lot. I can teach you this: Spoiler When you can do such things then you can use a DD without smoke but with radar. You just have to adapt your playstyle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #52 Posted May 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said: nop..not top 4 So a variety of people from top clans tell you you're wrong that they fielded teams with Radars instead of Smoke and you still claim that they didn't just because you watched a very small number of the many games played in the season on some streams... Grow up, learn to accept that you're not the fount of all knowledge and that you're way wrong. Just waiting for the "I was only joking" disclaimer from him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #53 Posted May 8, 2018 Alle 5/9/2018 alle 00:14, darky_fighter ha scritto: You are just provoking because you know that you have no points anymore. Watch streams and learn. You have to learn a lot. I can teach you this: Hide contents When you can do such things then you can use a DD without smoke but with radar. You just have to adapt your playstyle. mate gj for Kagero....it is 20% better than your overall WR Alle 5/9/2018 alle 00:19, BeauNidl3 ha scritto: So a variety of people from top clans tell you you're wrong that they fielded teams with Radars instead of Smoke and you still claim that they didn't just because you watched a very small number of the many games played in the season on some streams... Grow up, learn to accept that you're not the fount of all knowledge and that you're way wrong. Just waiting for the "I was only joking" disclaimer from him. only 1 person from top clan was posting and talking to me... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darky_fighter Players 5,649 posts Report post #54 Posted May 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said: mate gj for Kagero....it is 20% better than your overall WR You need the next hit? I like it. Spoiler And these are solo stats. I can teach you to play DD's without smoke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #55 Posted May 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, darky_fighter said: You need the next hit? I like it. Hide contents And these are solo stats. again it is kagero mate :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darky_fighter Players 5,649 posts Report post #56 Posted May 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, 15JG52Adler said: again it is kagero mate :) Open your eyes! Do you know the difference between Kagero and Yugumo? Ok, you convinced me. Please don't play without smoke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #57 Posted May 8, 2018 1 minute ago, 15JG52Adler said: again it is kagero mate :) Looks like Yugumo to me, maybe reading comprehension would assist your credibility a bit as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #58 Posted May 8, 2018 1 minute ago, darky_fighter said: Open your eyes! Do you know the difference between Kagero and Yugumo? OMG, I have you to teach the very basics. you said its your solo stats...you need to decide Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOO] BeauNidl3 Players 2,192 posts Report post #59 Posted May 9, 2018 To put the silly "Edinburgh is just free XP and useless in competitive without smoke" argument in context, just had a very comprehensive ranked win where the RADAR Edinburgh supported the DD's effectively, mauled the enemy DD's and contributed strongly to the win. Played right it's a real asset even in a pickup team in Ranked. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CN_] _Kettenbeisser Beta Tester 210 posts 13,224 battles Report post #60 Posted May 9, 2018 @15JG52Adler since you only believe "top clan players" that radar yueyang gets used, i took a few screenshots from "some" of our last clan war games in hurrican and typhoon leaque. See below. Spoiler Any YY and Mino you see there in high clans was a radar one. Also if you wanna know whats the less used Radar ship in CW upper ranks was: Moskwa. But to elaborate why i think that would surpass your horizon. also a complaint by a DD Player how weak the Radar YueYang is: then we got another discussion about her Also if you watch streamers like @PrivatePinguin and their ranked gameplay you would see why Radar Minotaur is strong. Also any competitive Clanmember would be able to say you that on certain maps like Shattered a Radar Minotaur/Edinburgh is a VERY strong pick. Also IF my opinion counts: There is the confirmation from THE NUMBER 1 RANKED CW CLAN!!!!! that Radar Minotaur is strong. So when several forumites tell you something pls don't say their wrong without any idea of the matter or other proof Kette out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ANV] Lord0 Players 637 posts 5,971 battles Report post #61 Posted May 9, 2018 So this thread went downhill rapidly... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hyperion84 Players 163 posts 1,549 battles Report post #62 Posted May 9, 2018 16 hours ago, Paimentaja said: That is... utterly wrong? I played even with the Edinburg with radar and that will surprise many DDs and is enormously strong ship in ranked. And so is Minotaur in ranked. British cruisers beyond tier 5 is pure beasts if handled properly, citadeling cruisers and ruining destroyers day equally. Edinburgh is quite strong if the player knows her weakness (much like all british light cruisers). I simply have to agree, I would love to have a skilled player with a radared speced Edinburgh on my team, destroyers and cruisers beware and afraid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #63 Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, _Kettenbeisser said: @15JG52Adler since you only believe "top clan players" that radar yueyang gets used, i took a few screenshots from "some" of our last clan war games in hurrican and typhoon leaque. See below. Reveal hidden contents Any YY and Mino you see there in high clans was a radar one. Also if you wanna know whats the less used Radar ship in CW upper ranks was: Moskwa. But to elaborate why i think that would surpass your horizon. also a complaint by a DD Player how weak the Radar YueYang is: then we got another discussion about her Also if you watch streamers like @PrivatePinguin and their ranked gameplay you would see why Radar Minotaur is strong. Also any competitive Clanmember would be able to say you that on certain maps like Shattered a Radar Minotaur/Edinburgh is a VERY strong pick. Also IF my opinion counts: There is the confirmation from THE NUMBER 1 RANKED CW CLAN!!!!! that Radar Minotaur is strong. So when several forumites tell you something pls don't say their wrong without any idea of the matter or other proof Kette out TL DR still waiting for some good clan post pls you 55% stop bodering me :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AAO] Paimentaja Players 396 posts 24,486 battles Report post #64 Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Hyperion84 said: British cruisers beyond tier 5 is pure beasts if handled properly, citadeling cruisers and ruining destroyers day equally. Edinburgh is quite strong if the player knows her weakness (much like all british light cruisers). I simply have to agree, I would love to have a skilled player with a radared speced Edinburgh on my team, destroyers and cruisers beware and afraid Edinburgh with full stealth and radar build is pretty scary and effective. 9km concealment and 9km radar. Didn't get to play many games in this season with T8's but couple of times we had a radar Edinburgh in team and it was a pleasure to play LoYang with her. 13 wins out of 14 games. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dCK_Ad_Hominem Players 1,176 posts 5,859 battles Report post #65 Posted May 9, 2018 17 hours ago, 15JG52Adler said: ooooo the facts agree....you said yourself...SOME....which means majority DID USE SOMETHING ELSE...never saw top 10 clan to use either of them..but maybe i missed match or two. Well, as a dd main for a top 30 clan let me tell you, yy with radar is the correct way to play her. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #66 Posted May 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said: Well, as a dd main for a top 30 clan let me tell you, yy with radar is the correct way to play her. Hmmm didnt i told no 55%wr clans? :) P.S. when you will get that i am just troling? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dCK_Ad_Hominem Players 1,176 posts 5,859 battles Report post #67 Posted May 9, 2018 1 minute ago, 15JG52Adler said: Hmmm didnt i told no 55%wr clans? :) P.S. when you will get that i am just troling? Well, I usually differentiate between troll and stupid. We get way more of the latter around here. Also, you are doing a disservice to new players that could actually learn something on the forums. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AAO] Paimentaja Players 396 posts 24,486 battles Report post #68 Posted May 9, 2018 14 hours ago, 15JG52Adler said: player beats ship......bu i would say 50 games in Edinburgh suggest fre exp so....yeah...and your WORST stat ship is Minotaur I fail to see the relevance here. 50 games in Edinburgh was enough to grind through it to the Neptune. Prem account + camos + signals does the trick very effectively. But what that has got to do with anything? And my worst stat ship(s) are something else, even in T10? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
darky_fighter Players 5,649 posts Report post #69 Posted May 9, 2018 14 hours ago, 15JG52Adler said: you said its your solo stats...you need to decide Believe it or not. That's not the important point. The important point are the survival rates in these examples. Smoke has 2 areas of application: 1. You can play more aggressively in some situations (e. g. no radar ships nearby, ships can't cut your retreat off) 2. As cover when you have done a mistake You can handle both areas with adaptation of your playstyle. That's why I completely disagree with your opinion: 21 hours ago, 15JG52Adler said: eh yes....they can also equip radar..totally forgot about them...well if somebody see them with radar rejoice for free kill or useless ship on other side You are only a free kill or a useless ship when you don't adapt your playstyle. A DD with radar but without smoke is more challenging and forgives less mistakes. But you get new options as compensation. It is very annoying to play with a smoke DD against a radar DD because radar beats smoke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #70 Posted May 9, 2018 2 hours ago, 15JG52Adler said: Hmmm didnt i told no 55%wr clans? :) P.S. when you will get that i am just troling? You're not trolling. You are just showing us you are stupid and fell back to "trolling" as you are unable to admit when you are wrong. Trolling requires having arguments in the first place. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #71 Posted May 9, 2018 1 hour ago, ShinGetsu said: You're not trolling. You are just showing us you are stupid and fell back to "trolling" as you are unable to admit when you are wrong. Trolling requires having arguments in the first place. Ah dear captain, to much rum for ya....aint it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FHKK_] Quake_AOS Players 2,419 posts 19,366 battles Report post #72 Posted March 10, 2019 Thanks man, that a lot of interesting Information. But I have a question. Why not one German Ship has Radar? in life the Königsberg was the First German Ship with Radar in Work. “Seetakt” has the Graf Spee to. All of the German Cruiser and Battleships had Radar in WW2. not in WoWs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #73 Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Katysha44 said: Thanks man, that a lot of interesting Information. But I have a question. Why not one German Ship has Radar? in life the Königsberg was the First German Ship with Radar in Work. “Seetakt” has the Graf Spee to. All of the German Cruiser and Battleships had Radar in WW2. not in WoWs? Because it's a special mechanic and balancing factor. Otherwise you'd be seeing Radar on basically every single high tier ship, including DDs. Oh, and some planes would have Radar as well while we're at it. Also, in real world sonar was basically omnipresent and don't get me started on smoke screens that could be generated just by messing with the burning in your engines. On another note. Was there really a need to resurrect a year-old thread to just ask that?... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites