Russian Cruiser Line

[Excavatus]

12 minutes ago, Paimentaja said:

Turtleback "kicks in" in closer ranges, lets say around 10ish km and below. It depends on the velocity of shell to be taken in. Faster shell = turlteback works from longer range, slower shell = turtleback can protect only from very close to point blank (if even then). Thumb rule is that the closer you are, the more effective it is.

Thanks!

So not a specific tactic or angle treshold etc.. Got it!

12 minutes ago, Paimentaja said:

Keepers are everyones own business, which ones to keep and which ones to curse. No need to defend or explain them. :) Tho the Roon and Yugumo are incredible good ships and keepers for me. (Fletcher too)

Yugumo!

I don't know why.. I love her as much as I hate shima.. I think this clearly shows my feelings towards them :)

I cannot make shima work!

14 minutes ago, Paimentaja said:

French cruiser line was a nice fresh breeze for me and it was very good too. 2nd best to be exact. Saint-Louis is very good T9 cruiser.

I am grinding that line on the side now..

But La GalissoonnnTURD blocks me..

De-Grasse is one of my regrets for buyign.. and I cannot past that silver ship..

But I believe that is me.. not the ship.. I am open for Frenchy cruiser tips..

15 minutes ago, Paimentaja said:

Now I'm tempted to buy her back

The new hipper is really awesome,

and I do not see a missing heal makes her inferior to the PE..

Missing heal makes you more cautious.. and to use your range more effective..

with that sweet new reload.. I reached rank 10 this year in hipper :)

These are my stats reaching rank 10 this year..

 

[Paimentaja]

57 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Thanks!

So not a specific tactic or angle treshold etc.. Got it!

Well, you should pay attention to their armor scheme ; Bow tanking is slightly different in them. Look for that strengthened part of the bow. It is different size in each one. So bow tanking can be crucially different and the turtleback itself works only from the side. Ofc when showing broadside to BBS you will take damage but virtually no cits in close range. Their weakest part is from long range plunging fire, even from cruisers (DM & such particulary) and then the bow part can fail.

 

 

57 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Yugumo!

I don't know why.. I love her as much as I hate shima.. I think this clearly shows my feelings towards them :)

I cannot make shima work!

 

I don't even have the Shima yet. Have been more than satisfied with the Yugumo and been playing her mostly without bonus flags & camo's. That was because heard so much bad about her. Now, with the buff, I might actually want to try out her. But I'm not in hurry cause the Yugumo is just so good.

 

57 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

I am grinding that line on the side now..

But La GalissoonnnTURD blocks me..

De-Grasse is one of my regrets for buyign.. and I cannot past that silver ship..

But I believe that is me.. not the ship.. I am open for Frenchy cruiser tips..

I found that the Gali should be played much like Nurnberg or Bud. It is pretty fast, agile and nice guns. She is best IMO in longish range HE spammer but can punish from closer ranges too, tho she tends to get punished just like other T6's, except Cleve. Try to be the second liner at first and approach only when your target is already engaged to someone else. It is the last CL in the line so try to cherish her, bec the Algerie especially is a tricky one. Martel will be the first good CA in that line and starts to show some decent package. But, since this topic was  is about RU cruisers, I'd say that Gali is quite similar to Bud.

 

57 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

The new hipper is really awesome,

and I do not see a missing heal makes her inferior to the PE..

Missing heal makes you more cautious.. and to use your range more effective..

with that sweet new reload.. I reached rank 10 this year in hipper :)

These are my stats reaching rank 10 this year..

 

Sounds good. I did not miss the heal when played her and did not do so in the Eugen. Now, I'm even more excited about the two. Nice stats! I managed to reach the R10 in 14 games, 13 victories and 5 in the Eugen. (LoYang and Harekaze being the other ships, four games each.) At first I was excited about the T10 form after R10 but then got sad because could'nt play anymore with those three...

[Excavatus]

A little bir necro over here..

2 days ago, I just researched and bought D. Donskoi, and planning to ask advice for it. because after Chapa, It felt.. I don't know..

not so good..

I was planning to open a thread but reminded myself to search.. what is it?? a russian cruiser topic.. opened by ME?? aha :)

anyway, I've re-read the thread from the start.. and It's been 2 days since I started playing with Donkey..

 

Now I don't need advice :) 20.2km range that is sweet.. that guns.. omg.. they are sweet too..

A little bit sluggish.. but hey.. baiting broadside salvos and angling them.. works miracles (Thanks flamu!)

 

The only problem is.. you cannot disengage.. you start to turn anyside.. you most likely are dead

everyone citadels you..

 

you have to plan your moves very much ahead.. but the rest is.. incredible..

harrassing tier 9 and 10 BBs.. it is so much fun..

and she has a really nice kiting potential.. I think I am gonna love her..

 

But Moskva aside.. I think the keeper of this line is CHAPA..

[dzoLee_]

I started play this game 2 months ago and I have decided to go for russian cruisers in order to get moskva as I felt attracted to it the most, but... from kirov tier V to shchors tier VII I was like in phaze of learning and I played on stock ships since I wanted just jump in higher tier battles fast as possible.

 

Then I came on Chapayev tier VIII and in first I didn't like it much but because rank battles i decided to upgrade it. Commander skills and upgrades transformed this ship in something amazing. It became so flexible with detection range of 10km and doing multiple tasks such as support destroyers in middle of caps from close range with radars and then easy go back in ''dark'' with receiving a minimal or no damage at all. I could play good against tier X ships too as well, placing almost always in first 5 exp. players. Chapayev rised up my statistic so much and then I bought Dmitri Donskoi tier IX!!!

 

In first I was thrilled with buying Dm.Donskoi since it is a really beauty ship, good design and it reminds me a lot on moskva, but... playing well on stock ship was almost impossible mission. I thought that ship just need upgrade same like chapayev. So I went to earn credits for upgrades with chapayev and I finaly did full upgrade for donskoi. I got fire range around 21km and I reduced little detection area so I felt some improvements but this ship requires one and I think unique style of gameplay... and most players in my team call it ''retarded'' and I can not disagree with that at all. Basically the most usefull what I can do on this ship in first 5 min is to be afk or find some nice big island till number of opponent ships reduce. Then after 5-10 min moving forward and searching for first victim if my team did good or decent, and if not, a lot of frustrated kids report me for afk no-support or something else.

 

All my good karma points that I got on Chapayev is gone now. I still want get and try out moskva but for it I need play a lot of bad battles on donskoi. And I started to be scared that all that will be a waste. I doubt moskva can be much better from info that I heard and saw.

 

In my opinion Chapayev is one of the best cruisers in game and offten can be a key ship that can decide a wining side. Dm. Donskoi can be good in 1v1 and end of battle but in current state I clearly don't see a way how he can be a key ship and provide a constantly good game since one little mistake and one bullet can cost you a life.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Worst ship in the line is without a doubt the Kirov. Guns with terrible reload (caliber gives no benefit) and the ship melts to all the 152 mm spam not to mention blows up if a BB gets inside 16 km range.

 

I hated the Budyoni, it is every bit as made from cardboard and duct tape as the rest of the line, and the guns and I never got along. Currently playing Nurnberg and enjoying her more.

Contrary to many I found the Schorhs to be the high point of the line so far; with 25% more guns it could do all the things the Budyoni aspired to and stay safe doing it to boot - no doubt due to being spared TX MM.

Chapayev is great when once in a full moon it is top tier. Mostly it gets in TX games which makes it feel like a step down from the Schorhs. Radar can be a deadly bait, but overall a solid ship.

Donskoi so far is a very enjoyable experience too. It needs the range upgrade and turns like a slug, but played from 14-15+ km range it is a fearsome thip

Moskva is just a flat out better BB with 11.7 km radar range. Tank 2 mio dmg and dishes out > 100k on average

Overall - loved every ship from tier 8 up (Chapayev being the worst grind)

 

[_LordLucan]

On 5/8/2018 at 10:38 AM, Nechrom said:

Their big turning circles.

calling it a turning circle doesn't do them justice, I call them orbits 

[Butterdoll]

On ‎15‎-‎05‎-‎2018 at 11:48 AM, Excavatus said:

Thanks!

So not a specific tactic or angle treshold etc.. Got it!

Yugumo!

I don't know why.. I love her as much as I hate shima.. I think this clearly shows my feelings towards them :)

I cannot make shima work!

I am grinding that line on the side now..

But La GalissoonnnTURD blocks me..

De-Grasse is one of my regrets for buyign.. and I cannot past that silver ship..

But I believe that is me.. not the ship.. I am open for Frenchy cruiser tips..

The new hipper is really awesome,

and I do not see a missing heal makes her inferior to the PE..

Missing heal makes you more cautious.. and to use your range more effective..

with that sweet new reload.. I reached rank 10 this year in hipper :)

 

you know? I like very much that ship, it complemented very well the Cleveland , fast turrets, good reload, small, short and thin.

that ship was the ship I used  in those kill x planes missions type of missions, so my Cleveland B.

It was the ship that saw me through that awful FNFL mission, that 35k xp in two days .

ETC.

Regarding De Grasse, I like it and I don't like it.

It's amazing and better but it's also bigger, more sluggish and I cannot shake the feeling that they could put the 40 knots top speed, the third torpedo in a hull upgrade for LaGal and releasing a total new t6 French premium cruiser.

And that's perhaps the main reason I don't play De Grasse as much, I resent that ship. But regrets for buying it? No.

Algerie was another ship that I like but the hermes ops, with all those Atlantas it make it a bit meh. And in UF... I just needed more beefy ship or one with more DPM.

I played every cruiser line but the British and I can say that the French one, it's the line with more reliable ships there is. All the others are like roller coasters.

I'm a bit sceptical about chappy.

 

  

 

 

 

 

[Excavatus]

OMG I've just found out this..  With this weeks update, Is this for real?

I don't have enough XP in moskva but even right now this ship is tanky..

Just bait some broadside and angle after they fire.... ding!!!

Only a handful of players know to fire directly into your bow.. and this upgrade?

really? Moskva needed this buff :)

I am happy.. really happy..

Thank you WG..

 

 

The armor belt thickness in the fore and aft ends of Soviet cruiser Moskva has been increased from 25 mm to 50 mm.

[dzoLee_]

On 26. 06. 2018. at 3:50 PM, Excavatus said:

OMG I've just found out this..  With this weeks update, Is this for real?

I don't have enough XP in moskva but even right now this ship is tanky..

Just bait some broadside and angle after they fire.... ding!!!

Only a handful of players know to fire directly into your bow.. and this upgrade?

really? Moskva needed this buff :)

I am happy.. really happy..

Thank you WG..

 

 

The armor belt thickness in the fore and aft ends of Soviet cruiser Moskva has been increased from 25 mm to 50 mm.

I sold all my ships and got Moskva 2 days ago, I like it so much and got used on her fast. So I don't really need or have desire to play other ships when I have her. I'am really happy that all hard work and farm was worth of her. Today got my first kraken unleashed with Moskva wuhuu! It is really amazing ship.

 

 

[Excavatus]

8 minutes ago, Lockhead_108 said:

I sold all my ships and got Moskva 2 days ago, I like it so much and got used on her fast. So I don't really need or have desire to play other ships when I have her. I'am really happy that all hard work and farm was worth of her. Today got my first kraken unleashed with Moskva wuhuu! It is really amazing ship.

 

 

Since the last patch..

Moskva is the almost only ship That I play,

other than 1 or 2 battles that I play in de grasse for fun and furytaco to play with my brand new yamamoto!

 

I've bought perma camo for moskva.. she deserves that.

 

[dzoLee_]

1 minute ago, Excavatus said:

Since the last patch..

Moskva is the almost only ship That I play,

other than 1 or 2 battles that I play in de grasse for fun and furytaco to play with my brand new yamamoto!

 

I've bought perma camo for moskva.. she deserves that.

 

Yeah, so true... I have decided too for that camo. It was first and last time that I spend some money for game, so that tells you how much I'm happy with her :D

[JaiFoh]

You See i am an usual beast in that i REALLY like T9 Ships (Apart from Yugumo that thing can sod off) Fletcher, Neptune, Donskoi i love them all. 

But the Donskoi, with IFHE

OHHHHH BOY, she is my favourite ship at T9 easily, the Guns Hurt everything whether it is AP or HE at ranges of over 14km she can wiggle her fine russian backside as good as any Japanese ship and with her Radar she can deter almost anyone from getting too close to her. I enjoy her more than the Chappy to be frank, i enjoy her more than the Moskva but then again the reason why is i really like my ships to be able to do the Hippy Hippy shake and the Moskva has had too many Syrniki's over the years and she doesn't have as good as an ability as the Donskoi to shake her backside. 

But Moskva since the buff just feels so much better (although i still got blapped from across the map by an unseen Iowa one game) i was able to go pretty much 1v1 against a Musashi the other day by coming in at a 15-30 degree angle and raining HE Death and Destruction until a shima was able to land torps on the Musashi and finish them off. 

Donskoi and Moskva are the Russian Cruisers i still play, the Chappy is still in port but no captain currently as i am enjoying the Russian DD's more than the lower tier cruisers at the moment. 

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

Maybe a little late to chime in, but the line is just great, with the exception of the Donskoi. I hated that thing with a passion and eventually skipped her. Budy, Schors, Chappa, all great for their tier. Moskva is just awesome. Have only played few games in her, but being that I generally don't perform as well in cruisers as I'd like to, I'd call her an exception. 

 

Oh and the Chapa is a definite keeper at T8. Can't make a mistake, but great choice for both Random and Ranked. Had a game with her which took 8 minutes for me to load in. Finished with 140k, witherer, 4 kills and top score on the team. Unfortunately the enemy cv played well enough to deny the win, but 3 of my kills were T10 bbs. 

 

While a lot of people like the Hindenburg better, I personally think no top tier cruiser poses the same threat for dds that the Moskva does. 

[Episparh]

Well, Donskoi is fine ship too. She is a kiteing flame thrower. The problem with Moskva is her huge size and detection range combined with easily punished citadel. If you want to survive in her - pick a corner of the map so you could nose in incoming fire but don't stay stationary because any bb can blap you from 20+ km range with plunging shots. 

 

P. S. Kronstadt is far better than Moskva. 

[dzoLee_]

On 02. 07. 2018. at 1:56 PM, Episparh said:

Well, Donskoi is fine ship too. She is a kiteing flame thrower. The problem with Moskva is her huge size and detection range combined with easily punished citadel. If you want to survive in her - pick a corner of the map so you could nose in incoming fire but don't stay stationary because any bb can blap you from 20+ km range with plunging shots. 

 

P. S. Kronstadt is far better than Moskva. 

Hmm idk, but you can pretty much spit fire like crazy on Moskva as well. That high accuracy guns are really nice. If you shot at battleships most of time all bullets will hit the target, if you increase fire chance with commander and signals you can get even better results then on Donskoi. For example my accuracy on Moskva was close to 40% at some point while on Donskoi was always around 29-30%. I think those few % means a lot for fire throwing and idk about Kronstadt but i doubt he have same accuracy like Moskva does.

In my oppinion, increasing chance of setting on fire and deffending against fire is best thing for commander of Moskva, or at least for me + that new ''Legendary'' upgrade for Moskva will also contribute a lot for better fire chance. Even with really bad team, you can get decent amount of exp easy.

[Episparh]

4 hours ago, Lockhead_108 said:

Hmm idk, but you can pretty much spit fire like crazy on Moskva as well. That high accuracy guns are really nice. If you shot at battleships most of time all bullets will hit the target, if you increase fire chance with commander and signals you can get even better results then on Donskoi. For example my accuracy on Moskva was close to 40% at some point while on Donskoi was always around 29-30%. I think those few % means a lot for fire throwing and idk about Kronstadt but i doubt he have same accuracy like Moskva does.

In my oppinion, increasing chance of setting on fire and deffending against fire is best thing for commander of Moskva, or at least for me + that new ''Legendary'' upgrade for Moskva will also contribute a lot for better fire chance. Even with really bad team, you can get decent amount of exp easy.

The problem of moskva is not her flame throwing abilities. 

She is fat and clumsy lady spoted from space. Most of the BBs will out spot and blap you. 

The other problem is that she can not disengage resulting usually in a nose in situation and most of other T10s CAs will burn her to death just with the sheer rate of fire or will give you a close encounters with iron fishes.

Usually, when she is stationary (due to nose-in situation) becomes a victim of BBs like Yam or Monty even at 20+ km ranges. 

[Excavatus]

6 hours ago, Episparh said:

Usually, when she is stationary (due to nose-in situation) becomes a victim of BBs like Yam or Monty even at 20+ km ranges. 

Stationary Moskva is a dead moskva!

 

 

[Episparh]

10 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Stationary Moskva is a dead moskva!

 

 

Oh, yes, I know that well and my stats with that ship can prove it. 

The thing is that I do not have an option to avoid nose-in deadlocks due to her clumsiness, size, and detection unless I "go for the next map".  Her bow-tanking was buffed recently but still Kronstadt's armor and hull profile makes her more enjoyable in my particular case.  If I need to take a Russian CA  in a Tier 10 battle it will be Kronstadt for sure.