Russian Cruiser Line

[WeGreedy]

10 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

in Neptune's case, repair party was already available since low tiers.

But the good one is not available before T8. ;)

[Paimentaja]

18 hours ago, NothingButTheRain said:

I'm hearing so many horror stories about the tier 9 shipsin the game, I can recall only a couple 'good' ones, the USA DD and the Lion.

Shouldn't it be considered to buff the crappy tier 9 ones a bit?

I have to disagree and agree ; While Fletcher is exceptionally good DD, but so is Chung Mu and Yugumo too. They play differently and Fletcher most likely will win knifefights in between them, but those other two are very good too and perform well in game. DDs tend to suffer less in that tier, but all others except Roon (very very very very very gooooood) are pretty much bad to meh. (Even if I find myself "defending" the Donskoi here)

[Exocet6951]

2 hours ago, SeeteufeI said:

Also Alsace, but I never played her.

 

Alsace is the best T10 cruiser in the game.

 

[Excavatus]

22 hours ago, Paimentaja said:

I have to disagree and agree ; While Fletcher is exceptionally good DD, but so is Chung Mu and Yugumo too. They play differently and Fletcher most likely will win knifefights in between them, but those other two are very good too and perform well in game. DDs tend to suffer less in that tier, but all others except Roon (very very very very very gooooood) are pretty much bad to meh. (Even if I find myself "defending" the Donskoi here)

yeah.. what the feck is wrong with roon??

It is so hard not to do good in her..

 

Even the battles I say "OMG, I didn't do shite"... at the end I look.. what? 70K damage..? really?

[Hyperion84]

On 5/9/2018 at 11:29 AM, Excavatus said:

My limited experience in the line is with kirov and buddy..

My humble advice would be,

 

Keep your captain drunk at all times..

Never ever stop, dont camp, dont try to sneak snipe,

always run on full speed, never ever go in a straight line for more than 3 seconds..

always wiggle..

keep some islands near by to break contact..

did I say do not ever stop??

yeah.. dont ever stop...

Dont rush into the first line.

Wait for enemy start attacking other people..

you are not a first responder..

you are an evil, opportunistic bastard who likes to stab people from back and steal their wallet when they are fist fighting for their life with other people..

It kind reminds me of how the Soviet "destroyers" are played, it's all about guns blazing when fighting and know when to close silence the guns for making a tactical retreat or reposition.

The fact is, I didn't play my Kirov like a destroyer, sure I was angling, but the playstyle I think, reminded something along Omaha style, in retrospect it was kinda noobish - But then again I've learn quite some tricks since starting with USS and Soviet destroyers. 

Thanks for the tips and in some case somewhat confirmation on how to play russian battl..., I mean cruisers 

 

PS: I like the last part, especially stealing wallet when they are brawling others, but why not just stab them with a broken vodka bottle in the back? 

[Excavatus]

2 minutes ago, Hyperion84 said:

PS: I like the last part, especially stealing wallet when they are brawling others, but why not just stab them with a broken vodka bottle in the back? 

Because we don't break vodka bottles... we need them for refills in the ship..!

[Butterdoll]

On ‎09‎-‎05‎-‎2018 at 10:29 AM, Excavatus said:

My limited experience in the line is with kirov and buddy..

My humble advice would be,

 

Keep your captain drunk at all times..

Never ever stop, dont camp, dont try to sneak snipe,

always run on full speed, never ever go in a straight line for more than 3 seconds..

always wiggle..

keep some islands near by to break contact..

did I say do not ever stop??

yeah.. dont ever stop...

Dont rush into the first line.

Wait for enemy start attacking other people..

you are not a first responder..

you are an evil, opportunistic bastard who likes to stab people from back and steal their wallet when they are fist fighting for their life with other people..

 

Again, what are you talking about?

The ship you are describing it's from the US Line, t7, you know?  the USS Floating Turd.

 

Listen, Buddy it's the T6 big boss, very fun ship to play, it can do many things. give it time, it will certainly grow on you.

It's like an armoured nurberg...in reverse . and faster.

It's more than a long distance HE spammer, it's also a dd hunter, a CA and a CL hunter. It's a very comfortable ship to play against t8. Perhaps the most of all t6s.

Ok, have a long turning circle and weak AA but that's it.

I recently played the Moskva (the space thing).

Buddy it's like a petite Moskva with torps.

Yes, you can leave your mark on a buddy but he will sink you.

At this moment Buddy it's my second best brawler, and it's not one of my boys, it's my boy.

Ok, you like German, you have Roon, but that it's a t9 with what? at least 27mm?

Buddy it's a t6.

 

 

 

 

 

[Excavatus]

9 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

 

Again, what are you talking about?

The ship you are describing it's from the US Line, t7, you know?  the USS Floating Turd.

 

Listen, Buddy it's the T6 big boss, very fun ship to play, it can do many things. give it time, it will certainly grow on you.

It's like an armoured nurberg...in reverse . and faster.

It's more than a long distance HE spammer, it's also a dd hunter, a CA and a CL hunter. It's a very comfortable ship to play against t8. Perhaps the most of all t6s.

Ok, have a long turning circle and weak AA but that's it.

I recently played the Moskva (the space thing).

Buddy it's like a petite Moskva with torps.

Yes, you can leave your mark on a buddy but he will sink you.

At this moment Buddy it's my second best brawler, and it's not one of my boys, it's my boy.

Ok, you like German, you have Roon, but that it's a t9 with what? at least 27mm?

Buddy it's a t6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't get me wrong..

I LOVE!! buddy

I am really thinking about keeping it.. after getting schors..

and not staying at the range and spamming HE..

 

But I usually try to engage enemy who are busy with others :)

like..

 

HELLO! Do you have time to discuss our savior ,fire lord?

No.. ok.. DISENGAGE!!

[cro_pwr]

Didn't read trough all the comments, so I'll just give you a general advice I gave to everyone trying out RU cruisers.
From t5 onwards, they are second line ships, your job/strength is to sit a bit behind (more usually then not at the end of your range) and burn down everything and anything with your insanely accurate and railgun shells.
That way you can dodge most of incomming fire, since you don't have armor to actually tank shots, and your only means of surviving is to actively dodge everything shot at you.
Your rudder and turning circle also doesn't allow you to dance like a balerina, since you are a floating brick, and you turn like one.
So all things combined, maximizing all your strenghts and minimizing all the weaknesses, you should be behind the lines, sitting back and utilizing your range and railguns, closing in only when the game is being decided and you should push to win.

 

They are all in all great ships, but you just need to "find a sweet spot" for them, and they will pay off heavily.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Worst ship in the line is without a doubt the Kirov. Guns with terrible reload (caliber gives no benefit) and the ship melts to all the 152 mm spam not to mention blows up if a BB gets inside 16 km range.

 

I hated the Budyoni, it is every bit as made from cardboard and duct tape as the rest of the line, and the guns and I never got along. Currently playing Nurnberg and enjoying her more.

Contrary to many I found the Schorhs to be the high point of the line so far; with 25% more guns it could do all the things the Budyoni aspired to and stay safe doing it to boot - no doubt due to being spared TX MM.

Chapayev is great when once in a full moon it is top tier. Mostly it gets in TX games which makes it feel like a step down from the Schorhs. Radar can be a deadly bait, but overall a solid ship.

Donskoi so far is a very enjoyable experience although I am still new to it and still learning how to balance positioning and radar while being spotted from the Moon.

 

[Excavatus]

On 12/05/2018 at 2:14 PM, cro_pwr said:

Didn't read trough all the comments, so I'll just give you a general advice I gave to everyone trying out RU cruisers.
From t5 onwards, they are second line ships, your job/strength is to sit a bit behind (more usually then not at the end of your range) and burn down everything and anything with your insanely accurate and railgun shells.
That way you can dodge most of incomming fire, since you don't have armor to actually tank shots, and your only means of surviving is to actively dodge everything shot at you.
Your rudder and turning circle also doesn't allow you to dance like a balerina, since you are a floating brick, and you turn like one.
So all things combined, maximizing all your strenghts and minimizing all the weaknesses, you should be behind the lines, sitting back and utilizing your range and railguns, closing in only when the game is being decided and you should push to win.

 

They are all in all great ships, but you just need to "find a sweet spot" for them, and they will pay off heavily.

 

Thanks for the advice mate.

I had my first 3 battles in Schors last night just before I log out..

OMG.. Those guns.. sweet reload and god like accuracy..

 

But it is like, whenever I get spotted, and I feel like I start the battle already spotted..

the number of guns turning towards me are no less than 5...

 

Everyone wants a piece of this thick meat!!!

But guns..

OMG.... those guns..

 

[cro_pwr]

59 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

 

Thanks for the advice mate.

I had my first 3 battles in Schors last night just before I log out..

OMG.. Those guns.. sweet reload and god like accuracy..

 

But it is like, whenever I get spotted, and I feel like I start the battle already spotted..

the number of guns turning towards me are no less than 5...

 

Everyone wants a piece of this thick meat!!!

But guns..

OMG.... those guns..

 

 

Yup, exactly this.
Most of cruisers in this game are supposed to support your DDs, and that means that you should get to like 8 km away from enemy DD to effectively damage them (I'm looking at you USN CA with your orbital shells).
But RU CL/CAs are simply different, because of their railguns you can (with a bit of practice ofc) wreck enemy DDs from 13-14 kms with ease, so you don't really have to be frontline ship to be effective.
Let alone to burn down BBs / hit other cruisers...

And as I said, because of their HORRIBLE maneuverability, they are best when played as long ranged support (although I'm the guy that hates campers, and loves to get close and personal, they just don't allow for that kind of gameplay, and you are throwing their biggest strength and exposing their biggest weakness if you go too close with them in the start of the game).
They are known as a paper citadels, so don't be surprised when you see 50 BBs guns turning your way as soon as you are spotted, but once when you dodge 3 salvos from all of them because of your evasive maneuvres, they will just say f it, and except their destiny, aka getting burned to death

[EgyptOverseer]

Shchors guns? The ones that shatter on BBs and take over 50 hits to start a fire? Or maybe the AP shells that shatter on cruisers? Perhaps it's the fact it has less armor than an RN cruiser and loses frequently 75% health in one enemy salvo?

 

Personally this ship has been, together with the Iowa, the top contributor to the decrease in my WR. Only the Podvoisky is worse, so far.

 

Why the Shchors is T7 and the Bud is T6 is beyond me. Same firepower, but the T6 has better armor... These ships require 14 point captains at T6, and that says a lot about how underpowered they are.

[Excavatus]

14 hours ago, EgyptOverseer said:

Shchors guns? The ones that shatter on BBs and take over 50 hits to start a fire? Or maybe the AP shells that shatter on cruisers? Perhaps it's the fact it has less armor than an RN cruiser and loses frequently 75% health in one enemy salvo?

 

Personally this ship has been, together with the Iowa, the top contributor to the decrease in my WR. Only the Podvoisky is worse, so far.

 

Why the Shchors is T7 and the Bud is T6 is beyond me. Same firepower, but the T6 has better armor... These ships require 14 point captains at T6, and that says a lot about how underpowered they are.

 

 I don't agree with the "SAME FIREPOWER"..

you have more guns in shchors.. and I think they are more accurate..

and shattering? really.. I may have less than 10 games in her..

but even with the firechance drop from IFHE, I never finished the battles with less than 10 fires..

That is a good number for me.. in a stock and unfamiliar ship...

 

PS: oh yes.. I have a 15 point captain in her :)

[EgyptOverseer]

5 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

 

 I don't agree with the "SAME FIREPOWER"..

you have more guns in shchors.. and I think they are more accurate..

and shattering? really.. I may have less than 10 games in her..

but even with the firechance drop from IFHE, I never finished the battles with less than 10 fires..

That is a good number for me.. in a stock and unfamiliar ship...

 

PS: oh yes.. I have a 15 point captain in her :)

I suppose experience varies. I can count on the fingers in one hand the times I started fires with less than 50 shell hits, and that is with DE and no IFHE. My captains only reach level 14 by the time I get to T8 or T9. In this case it may take even longer because this one is still level 10.

[Dekkard1v]

and at the end...its all worth it.
all the struggles you have faced
 

(shown for entertainment purposes only)

[Excavatus]

31 minutes ago, Rokko1v said:

and at the end...its all worth it.
all the struggles you have faced
 

(shown for entertainment purposes only)

cant watch the video at work.. (damn! you! IT)

But I presume it is a moskva video..

correct?

[Dekkard1v]

Just now, Excavatus said:

cant watch the video at work.. (damn! you! IT)

But I presume it is a moskva video..

correct?

aye. and a quite entertaining one at that, i think

[Redcap375]

They are a one trick pony at the moment.

 

You stay at range and peck things to death.  The only keeper so far (at the stock Chappy) is the Buddy.  Only because it's a German Cruiser under that paintwork and can actually take a hit. 

 

The biggest problem for me was bringing the German Cruiser mentality to the Russian line.  Don't.  They cant take a hit whatsoever and angling does not apply in the Kirov, Shchors and Chappy.  The Buddy was great and left that bad-boy with a 88% winrate. That's only because i played i like a German CA.  Went back to the Shchors and was in for a massive shock.

 

You have to be a better marksman and learn how to lead and hit targets at range.  Range is life.  If you struggle with this then your gonna find the line both hard and frustrating.

 

I find it hard to carry games in these things and the shells are IMHO crap.  That's with IFHE and DE.  But, they are good at starting fires and are generally fast firing so that's something.  Death by a thousand cuts/fire kinda thing.  Many a times i would hit a BB full savlo and get hardly anything for my troubles.  Do the same in the York or Hipper and 4000 HP wiped off.  The shells also love to shatter on anything.

 

But, they are better than the NO and Cola tier for tier IMHO as they too cant take a hit, but at least you can pepper them at longer range and have better accuracy with the Shchors and Chappy.  

 

I don't know if I enjoy the style of them to be honest.  it Feels like I can do a number of things in German CA ships and adapt to any situation.   I'm alot more restricted in these Russian ones.

 

But there better than the Cola and NO so that's a bonus 

 

List of Keeper cruisers so far:

 

Tier 4: Danae, only played few games in it but funny little ship

Tier 5: Used to be the Konigsberg until they completely nerfed the shells (WHY!).  Furutaka is a great ship and my tier keeper now. 

Tier 6: Used to LOVE the Cleveland and still my most played ship to date many moons ago.  But nerfed and power creeped over the years so the Buddy is my new keeper at that tier.

Tier 7: Belfast. Hated the Cola so much.

Tier 8: Kuts (before nerf) and now the Hipper with the better reload and rudder.  But always enjoyed it in the first place. Very average and i kinda liked that.

Tier 9: Roon

Tier 10: Hindy

 

 

[Excavatus]

34 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

Tier 9: Roon

Tier 10: Hindy

 

 

OMG..

how awesome they are...

Played only rented hindi at CB

but last night I've just researched it..

need some money though!

[Redcap375]

25 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

OMG..

how awesome they are...

Played only rented hindi at CB

but last night I've just researched it..

need some money though!

 

Hindy is my Clan battle Ship as I cant play CV's (thank you WG) 

 

It's fantastic. Cant speak highly enough of it.  It's such a great multi purpose Ship and take any task assigned to it.  Good AA, Good guns, Good Concealment, good torps, good hydro, good HP, good armour 

 

Works best as a close flanker (Zoa being a open flanker).  Fast firing, hard hitting AP shells into broadside have won me many a game.   

 

Push a Cap? Sure, hydro on and load salt and pepper, use that sweet turtleback armour.

Push a flank? Sure, Load AP and hit things on broadsides every 8 secs with 12 shells a time

Push a BB? Sure, load HE and angle and use that turtle back armour.  Get in real close and torp him to death.  Or just fire AP shells into the flanks.

Kite a BB? Sure, Load HE and make his life a misery every 8 Secs at max range (even with spotter plane). Love the accuracy and speed of the shells.

 

Against other Cruisers it depends on what you are up against, but you are the Swiss army knife off the CA world and have the tools to go against any of them IF YOU PLAY YOUR GAME, NOT HIS.  

 

Few tips:

1) Don't keep at range for too long.  Turtleback armour wont save you from that distance against BB shells.  WASD is life.

2) Don't hard push a Des Mons head on from range.  He will kill you before you get there with those fast firing HE shells.  Get around him or use that island he is normally next to for cover.  Then spring up on him a torp the living s**** out of him. Or ram him 

3) Don't out kite a Zao.  He will win with heaver HE shells in the end, just. Go invis a fight again when the time is right (Closer).

4) Your not a Mino and cant turn like one.  Pick the right time to turn as its slow to turn around, not too bad (compared to the Moskva) 

5) AP shells are flimsy. Fantastic if perfect broadside, tonk on anything else.  Always swap to HE if unsure.

 

If you loved the Roon you will be in awe with the Hindy.  Think of the roon with an extra set of guns on the front to use. 

 

Although i can see the Donsky being my new tier 9 keeper? maybe? We will see. 

 

 

[Paimentaja]

1 hour ago, Redcap375 said:

List of Keeper cruisers so far:

 

...

Tier 5: ..Konigsberg...

Tier 6: ...Cleveland...

...

Tier 8: Hipper (+ Eugen)

Tier 9: Roon

Tier 10: Hindy

 

 

 

All you really need to actually have fun in this game.

[Paimentaja]

33 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

OMG..

how awesome they are...

Played only rented hindi at CB

but last night I've just researched it..

need some money though!

Sadly, you have just reached the end of the best grind in this game. But, that Hindy... I'm utterly surprised if you do not find yourself buying a perma camo for her. It took me 30ish games to do so and I've not regretted even a second. Some say it's the best cruiser in the game, I'd say its the best ship in the game. Pure love!

[Excavatus]

32 minutes ago, Redcap375 said:

 

 

Push a Cap? Sure, hydro on and load salt and pepper, use that sweet turtleback armour.

 

If you loved the Roon you will be in awe with the Hindy.  Think of the roon with an extra set of guns on the front to use. 

 

 

 

Please tell me specifically, How to USE turtleback armor.

I think I do that from time to time but without knowing.

I want to learn and use it more effectively.

 

On the otherhan, LOVE is not a strong enough word for me to describe my feelings towards roon.

I can marry that thing, and this is a man who married and divorced twice and hates the institution to guts.

I can even make kids with her..

and even though I've only had 4  - 5 battles with hindi in clan battles while rented,

I believe that is the only ship I will cheat on Roon.. I am sooo eager to get it I've sold my roon (will buy back soon though)

 

24 minutes ago, Paimentaja said:

 

All you really need to actually have fun in this game.

 

I am never a collector, I've always think myself, I need 2 ships from each tier as a keeper, because I love playing the same ship I like again and again and again...

I did that in tonks.. and planning to do that in here..

my keepers since,

 

tier 6: I have 3 premiums on that tier but only I like Graf spee.. and I will keep Buddy..

tier 7: I think, nelson will be a keeper for me and gneisenau is the other one.. But someday I will grind that aweful british line and may look into fiji.. or may be If they sell it again.. belfast!

Tier 8: I believe this is the tier I most hate.. so I have bismarck because of emotional reasons, and cant decide the second keeper. If I buy loyang someday.. may be.. or kagero.. I don't know

Tier 9: actually the is the tier I love most.. My definite keepers are ROON and YUGUMO.. and If they sell I will buy Missouri to print credits (highly doubt that)

Tier 10: I believe hindi will be the one... I want to have a yamato someday but I am not sure to keep it or not, same as Zao and GKF... And yueuang and Khaba! But right now, I only have 1 keeper for this tier..

 

 

21 minutes ago, Paimentaja said:

Sadly, you have just reached the end of the best grind in this game. But, that Hindy... I'm utterly surprised if you do not find yourself buying a perma camo for her. It took me 30ish games to do so and I've not regretted even a second. Some say it's the best cruiser in the game, I'd say its the best ship in the game. Pure love!

 

Don't tell me that.. I really loved the german cruiser line..

even the yorck and hipper.. I loved hipper even before the buff..

And loved the german BB line.. I am now looking to buy FDG but people scared me about her.. They say she is MEH! at best.. and the stock grind is AWEFUL!

[Paimentaja]

6 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Please tell me specifically, How to USE turtleback armor.

I think I do that from time to time but without knowing.

I want to learn and use it more effectively.

Turtleback "kicks in" in closer ranges, lets say around 10ish km and below. It depends on the velocity of shell to be taken in. Faster shell = turlteback works from longer range, slower shell = turtleback can protect only from very close to point blank (if even then). Thumb rule is that the closer you are, the more effective it is.

 

9 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

On the otherhan, LOVE is not a strong enough word for me to describe my feelings towards roon.

I can marry that thing, and this is a man who married and divorced twice and hates the institution to guts.

I can even make kids with her..

and even though I've only had 4  - 5 battles with hindi in clan battles while rented,

I believe that is the only ship I will cheat on Roon.. I am sooo eager to get it I've sold my roon (will buy back soon though)

And she will answer to your calling for love. She. Just. Works.

 

11 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

I am never a collector, I've always think myself, I need 2 ships from each tier as a keeper, because I love playing the same ship I like again and again and again...

I did that in tonks.. and planning to do that in here..

my keepers since,

Keepers are everyones own business, which ones to keep and which ones to curse. No need to defend or explain them. :) Tho the Roon and Yugumo are incredible good ships and keepers for me. (Fletcher too) 

 

13 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Don't tell me that.. I really loved the german cruiser line..

even the yorck and hipper.. I loved hipper even before the buff..

And loved the german BB line.. I am now looking to buy FDG but people scared me about her.. They say she is MEH! at best.. and the stock grind is AWEFUL!

Sadly that is what I've experienced, and our interests seem to be alligned. French cruiser line was a nice fresh breeze for me and it was very good too. 2nd best to be exact. Saint-Louis is very good T9 cruiser. Infact the only other one in T9 I really enjoy, a keeper too.  Ibuki, Balti and Donkey are nowhere near to those two. Only cruiser that was in between was Neptune. She just has too many downsides and the consistency in her is very questionable. Ofc when you got to do you thing in her, she performed well.

 

FdG is indeed meh at its best, but if you liked the Bismarks PD build, FdG can be fun also that way, but, it will melt even faster due to her size. I did not make her to work any other way and that way I was able to at least get my WR better in her. So, smaller guns and PD build. Dispersion is so trolly that with the bigger guns, you basically only get less chances to hit because of the reload being slower.

 

I also did love the Hipper before the buff and then I got the Eugen from a xmas crate ; Loooooooooveeeeeeeeeeeeee! Shame, but I sold my Hipper that day. That was before the buff. Now I'm tempted to buy her back since those two are slightly different ships.