Enormous difference in winrate between Iowa and Missouri

[Redcap375]

Love the two trains of thought on how to play the Missouri 

 

One side says push

The other says stay back and lob heavy shells

 

 

I can only speak for the Alabama but simply put, i want a Chappy in the distance, NC/Amargi behind me, a Hipper besides me and a DD and RN in front of me.  That's where i like to be.  Enough to be seen and absorb hits, enough to be seen and give people pause to commit but not too close to be focus fired/torped at the start of the battle.

 

My thought is a BB there there to take hits for the rest of the team. Not to push and get killed quickly nor to snip at distance and not use that HP at all.  How many times have we seen 2 full heath BB at the end of the game when it's too late because they enemy team has already obliterated the cruisers and destroyers? A focused BB is toast, people don't learn this enough i'm afrade. 

 

They need to be there to take hits but not always in push mode unless the tide is right.  One of the biggest things that really gets on my wick is ships like Tirp and Bismarck's that snipe at the back!!!! Or a NC contesting a cap on his own.  I kid you not chaps but i once had a KII personally escort my CV on the edge of the map!!!!!

 

"thanks for the extra AA chap but.....HOW ABOUT YOU MOVE!!!!"

 

I'm the cruisers big brother and will get boot stomped in order for him to survive and cause lots of that fast DPM and fire damage.  I need my smaller brother to deal with the trivial things that i can not afford to be dealing with (DD's).  If people don't like getting hit in games then Battleships are not for them.  Sometimes all that tanking comes to nothing as your team are full of....Not-so-good chaps that don't take advantage of your god like tanking ability. But most games are won by you taking damage and not your cruisers. 

 

Might be a little off topic but both tactics are viable as long as your taking hits, that the most important thing for the team. IMHO

 

God i like the GK, prime example of tanking at its finest Wish i had a £ every time i held a whole flank in that thing whilst the team catches their fleet broadside.  Unlike a Montana and the Yam, this thing is hard to flank with a secondary build of 11.6 km IFHE death.

[Floofz]

Alabama is way tankier tier for tier than the Iowa or Missouri is. I usually brawl and push with the Alabama and its amazing at it. Its small and nimble and turrets turn fast and does massive damage at close range. Even the NC is fairly tanky frontally.

The Iowa not so much. Its huge and is easy to citadel, the whole superstructure is very weak and takes massive HE damage from cruisers or HE spamming BBs, its even quite easy to do really hard AP damage to it frontally.

Infact I had several 8k salvos in my Myoko firing HE on a Missouri superstructure.

 

Another massive problem with the Iowa class is that you have to dedicate yourself to one flank and stay there, because you cant turn. The ship is so long and takes ages to turn youll likely die if you run to a flank and you end up getting swarmed or your teammates decides to abandon you.

The ship has 3 strengths, 2 very good and 1 mediocre. The guns are fantastic, they are deadly accurate and do massive damage when you learn how to use them. The ship is also very very fast for a battleship (in a straight line). The third mediocre thing but still good is stealth. This means the ship is good at repositioning and shooting from stealth on targets not expecting it. But this playstyle is very difficult to pull off, especially in later days when almost every team is clumped up in a group, if you fire once the whole team will spot you and then nuke you.

[Panocek]

14 minutes ago, AdmiralDing3Ling said:

Alabama is way tankier tier for tier than the Iowa or Missouri is. I usually brawl and push with the Alabama and its amazing at it. Its small and nimble and turrets turn fast and does massive damage at close range. Even the NC is fairly tanky frontally.

The Iowa not so much. Its huge and is easy to citadel, the whole superstructure is very weak and takes massive HE damage from cruisers or HE spamming BBs, its even quite easy to do really hard AP damage to it frontally.

Infact I had several 8k salvos in my Myoko firing HE on a Missouri superstructure.

 

Another massive problem with the Iowa class is that you have to dedicate yourself to one flank and stay there, because you cant turn. The ship is so long and takes ages to turn youll likely die if you run to a flank and you end up getting swarmed or your teammates decides to abandon you.

The ship has 3 strengths, 2 very good and 1 mediocre. The guns are fantastic, they are deadly accurate and do massive damage when you learn how to use them. The ship is also very very fast for a battleship (in a straight line). The third mediocre thing but still good is stealth. This means the ship is good at repositioning and shooting from stealth on targets not expecting it. But this playstyle is very difficult to pull off, especially in later days when almost every team is clumped up in a group, if you fire once the whole team will spot you and then nuke you.

Takes massive HE damage from cruisers - I guess you haven't played battleboats with 32mm plating everywhere. Iowa class and Montana at least have reinforced amidships and deck, making only superstructure, bow and stern within cruiser HE reach (not counting German cruiser HE and those who use IFHE on CA)

[Redcap375]

I have no interest grinding either the Iowa or Montana. It's simply not my style of play at all.

 

I wanna grind to ships that i fear and i don't fear the Iowa/Montana when i'm burning it to death, torping it or catching it broadside..  I fear the GK if it gets in close. I fear the Conq firestarter ability and i fear the damage the Yam shells can do from range regardless of angle, I fear the radar on the Missouri but the Iowa/Montana? Not really, it''s too predictable IMHO.  

 

I will grind it sometime but it's way down on my list at the moment.  But the Montana shins in Clan Battles because of it's concealment and damage it can inflict on cruisers from nowhere.  But that's fine when you have one BB and a static front line which Clan Battles are.

[Floofz]

Heres 100% proof that matches in this game are rigged

 

Ive never been this low winrate wise ever since I start playing the game, yet Ive never played this well either.

 

Explain?

[Mastadans]

13 hours ago, EgyptOverseer said:

Can't speak about the Missouri, but I cannot get the Iowa to work. Worst WR ship for me so far. No tactic works. About 90% of shell hits are overpens. You can basically multiply the amount of shell hits by 1k (overpen damage) and get the average damage per battle.

 

It's the ship that made me stop even considering grinding ships to T10. No way I am grinding 400 losses and losing 20 million credits on maintenance just to get to the Montana. Amazing how I am at T9 and miss the consistency of the Colorado, who incidentally has terrible dispersion and is widely considered the weakest T7 BB.

 

The ship struggles to do reliable damage to any tier opponent it faces.

 

Yeah, I know that people will just say it's L2P and all, and they may be right, but if I can make a Colorado work better than an Iowa, facing basically the same opponents (T9 is the norm for T7s) then something must be wrong.

 

Broadside cruisers? Guaranteed 5 overpens at any range. Angled T10 BB at 18Km? Random citadel, 1 zero damage penetration and 2 overpens. Angled cruiser at 15Km? 4 bounces and 1 shatter. DD swerving at 12Km? Devastating strike. Go figure...

 

I even get citadel overpens. Those that some people think it's impossible. No matter what I try, no shell ever arms on any cruiser at any angle and any range. I cannot stand ships that do not reward good aim, and for me this is the ship that killed my motivation to grind. I prefer the Pensacola grind to this, a million times over.

 

P.S.: The Iowa has been in steep decline and is about to become the bottom stat ship in T9 BBs, as she is close to being overtaken by the Izumo.  Funnily enough, she will be overtaken not by a WR increase of the Izumo but instead by decreasing WR faster than the Izumo. She is the T9 BB ship with most battles played in the server, so having the lowest stats on the server shows something is definitely wrong here.

Maybe this is the reason because I cannot find many tX BBs in-game. I hoped to find a lot of tX BB when playing with my new Iowa, and can't barely see a two or three every 5ish games.

[ColonelPete]

59 minutes ago, AdmiralDing3Ling said:

Heres 100% proof that matches in this game are rigged

 

Ive never been this low winrate wise ever since I start playing the game, yet Ive never played this well either.

 

Explain?

How is this proof?

Damage and XP go up by Tier, not Win Rating.

PR went up because of calculation of new standard values (Improved PR even without playing).

 

Therefore just by Up-Tiering you can improve your average damage and XP while reducing your WR as it is COMMON for most players (as WR usually goes down by Tier).

 

And no suprise, your stats clearly show that very common and broadly known relation:

https://wows-numbers.com/player/548274141,AdmiralDing3Ling/

 

Next...

[Floofz]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

How is this proof?

Damage and XP go up by Tier, not Win Rating.

PR went up because of calculation of new standard values (Improved PR even without playing).

 

Therefore just by Up-Tiering you can improve your average damage and XP while reducing your WR as it is COMMON for most players (as WR usually goes down by Tier).

 

And no suprise, your stats clearly show that very common and broadly known relation:

https://wows-numbers.com/player/548274141,AdmiralDing3Ling/

 

Next...

 

This is sort of the point thou isnt it. I have great stats excluding winrate. I have great winrate historicly, Ive been reliable at 58% since september.

Ive lost 2% WR the last month. Ive only managed to win the games where Ive managed to hardcore carry games, Ive NEVER EVER had a game in the past month where I won because I was in the better team, not ONE SINGLE TIME.

 

Look at my winrate for ranked this season, 85%. I am good at this game, I am, I play it hours every day, I watch videos, I try to learn, I know almost everything about every ship even ships I dont have. But the matchmaking simply ISNT fair, I work so insanly hard and I simply CANNOT win. I can win my flank but the team always vaporizes on the other flank, or my teammates just go broadside and die around me until Im left alone.

How is it possible that you get progressivly worse the more you play? Ive played since September 2017 on a more serious scale and the past month Ive gotten progressivly worse? I dont play higher tiers, I lose just as much in tier 6 and 7.

Even if I play in divisions with clanmates and we all do well the rest of the team just vaporizes around us. Its not random, its not RNG, its not bad luck. Theres simply no mathematical probability that it can be random.

 

Im not going to quit, I still like the game, for historic reasons mostly, its well detailed and the ships are fun to sail around and shoot with. But dont tell me that this is me, cause it just simply isnt.

[ColonelPete]

I have lost more games than you. Stuff like that happens. You are at just 1660 battles, losing streaks have a huge impact on your WR.

You had a break for a long time, started playing very intensivly and went down during that time (around 1.3% points, not 2).

You have a bad streak for over 200 games, I have had bad streaks for over 600 games.

 

Play less, to get less mentaly exhausted during play. Play lower Tiers, to get used to the game again. I think you were a bit out of practice after the break.

[Floofz]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I have lost more games than you. Stuff like that happens. You are at just 1660 battles, losing streaks have a huge impact on your WR.

You had a break for a long time, started playing very intensivly and went down during that time (around 1.3% points, not 2).

You have a bad streak for over 200 games, I have had bad streaks for over 600 games.

 

Play less, to get less mentaly exhausted during play. Play lower Tiers, to get used to the game again. I think you were a bit out of practice after the break.

 

I would agree if I simultaniously did badly in the games I play, but I dont. Ive been top of my team in xp for a lot of the games Ive played but I still lose. Especially in radar cruisers and DDs I play my part, I do what Im supposed to and I do it well, yet we lose because the team vaporizes around me and on the other side of the map.

I simply dont understand what I need to do to have a decent chance of winning an equal amount of games. It really feels like it isnt up to me anymore.

[ColonelPete]

As I said, you are playing high Tier now. The influence of most players over the outcome of the battle goes down with Tiers.

Carrying at higher Tier is much harder. You are not that familiar with the maps, you need more time to get used to them.

Think about your positioning. If half the team is on the other side of the map, something went wrong.

[cpt_sparrow_jack]

21 hours ago, AdmiralDing3Ling said:

It could be a factor, I havent played the Missouri a whole lot lately and I used to play it fairly aggressivly. I did really poorly in the Iowa when I tried to play her the same way because neither ship has very good armor and they both suffer from being very difficult to manouvre. I tend to play the Iowa more like a big cruiser and support from the backline and use my speed and stealth. Its true that might not impact the games as much even thou I deal more damage, because the damage is mostly done to other battleships.

But it is really really frustrating when you keep on losing. Fortunately I dont have all that much left until I get Montana.

no it it could be a factor is a fact...missouri plays more agresive thats y u gain more xp and u help more active for the win of your team..also  i want to add that enemie dds are keeping a safe distance from u because of the radar.. even if u spot them by mistake they dont throw smoke because they know that u will radar them so they panic and go away..

[Floofz]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

As I said, you are playing high Tier now. The influence of most players over the outcome of the battle goes down with Tiers.

Carrying at higher Tier is much harder. You are not that familiar with the maps, you need more time to get used to them.

Think about your positioning. If half the team is on the other side of the map, something went wrong.

 

It doesnt matter, even if I did mediocre in every game there would still be atleast a 40-45% winrate overall but there isnt. A month ago I had 58% winrate playing the same [edited]ships. Now I have a sub 20% winrate and not even that, playing the same [edited]ships.

There is one conclusion, the games are rigged, end of story.

[ColonelPete]

But you are not at 20...

You are making stuff up.

[Floofz]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

But you are not at 20...

You are making stuff up.

 

I would be if you count only my recent games yes. Or well 30%ish atleast.

Seriously just come out and say, you have this and this rating so we put you in worse teams to even things out. Because my brain simply cant comprehend that this is supposed to be random. It makes no sense at all and you cant possibly tell me that its logical to you.

[ColonelPete]

Random is Random.... You cannot predict it.

But if you know what Random is and how it works, the sum of the results are logical and can be explained.

 

Btw your recent results are at 40 and your last 21 days are at 50. That is average. Worse than your usual, but not uncommon.

You need hundreds of games to reduce the random factor. A 1000 games bracket is mostly free of bad luck, but even there can be a small influence.

Two people with exactly the same skills and ship selection will not have the same WR after 1000 games. My guess would be a difference of less than 0.5 % points.

[HystericalAccuracy]

23 hours ago, AdmiralDing3Ling said:

Can someone tell me why I have an INSANE difference in winrate between Iowa and Missouri

What i my case was a reason for better play in Missouri is that the Iowa is just a step in the ladder towards the T10, without special meaning to me.

 

Missouri on the other hand is a much better modeled ship (example: look closely at the bridge structure) and was quite a struggle to obtain. She is also unique in her credit-income. Therefore i looked up her history and gained some kind of "connection" to her. That alone is a reason for me to play her more aware.

 

In short: she is a "precious" ship, despite having nearly same stats as Iowa. Hope that helps 

 

Dang, i think i just gave myself the answer why i have absolutely no success in the Izumo - i wholeheartedly hate that ship.

[Floofz]

Maybe Im just god awful at playing Battleships then. I won the first game I played in my Baltimore and I didnt do very well in that game either.

 

I dont know, I still like the game, the gameplay and the ships. But it can be so extremely frustrating to just lose and lose when youre trying to get the daily wins out of the way. Especially since I worked pretty hard to obtain my 58% winrate and just seeing it going down the drain and theres nothing you can do about it.

[anonym_IaujFt8oQRGX]

Man, this is quite obvious knowledge about WG paragame productions.

You can find a lot of interesting information on many websites about mechanisms they use.

 

And its quite obviously used in all F2P productions (not games at all)  but because WG are noobs of gaming industry they doing that in so visible ways and to this extend...

[ColonelPete]

It is quite obvious that some people lost their logical thinking capabilities.

[Lord_WC]

11 hours ago, bogdansz said:

Man, this is quite obvious knowledge about WG paragame productions.

You can find a lot of interesting information on many websites about mechanisms they use.

 

And its quite obviously used in all F2P productions (not games at all)  but because WG are noobs of gaming industry they doing that in so visible ways and to this extend...

Yes, I'm fairly sure that WG spent millions to hire the best minds just to fleece 10 EUR from you.

We are so lucky though that you are way more clever then them and see through your lies. Today you topple WG's matchmaker, tommorrow the medicine lobby, the day after all those stupid people that think the Earth is a globe.

 

I envy you.