Chat ban - small change at least...

[Zen71_sniper]

Well, it finally happened, after 10K games

 

I got chat banned by a fail division for pointing out (really, no swearing, calling names etc) that they threw away a match by camping (oh, yes TX div...). 

 

Anyway, enough was said about how open to abuse is the whole mechanism.  BUT WHY do you block a chat to your clan, your division mates, etc???? I can't even talk to my contacts - while I understand a chatban INGAME, this is in port. Really, really badly thought out, you should at least allow chat in port....

 

 

 

[SeaWolf7]

wow they relay have given you a slap on the wrist eh?

Seems WG haven't bothered to differentiate the two eg in game and port or perhaps they actually didn't realise? That does seem ridicoulous though...Perhaps @MrConway or someone from Wg could just explain or clarify if this is intentional Please.

[Aragathor]

To be honest I think they do not differentiate between battle chat and port chat. It's easier to just create a global block for chat, than to make sure you can communicate with friends and clan after receiving a ban.

Then there's also the fact that separating the port chat from the ban might result in people harassing those they feel responsible for the chat ban.

 

WG should insert exceptions to the chat ban for people on your friends list and your clanmates, especially the latter, as the clan has become an important part of the game for many.

[wilkatis_LV]

1 hour ago, Zen71_sniper said:

I got chat banned by a fail division for pointing out (really, no swearing, calling names etc) that they threw away a match by camping (oh, yes TX div...). 

So then... Fail-div or tier 10 div? Those 2 are pretty much mutually exclusive

 

1 hour ago, Zen71_sniper said:

Anyway, enough was said about how open to abuse is the whole mechanism.  BUT WHY do you block a chat to your clan, your division mates, etc???? I can't even talk to my contacts - while I understand a chatban INGAME, this is in port. Really, really badly thought out, you should at least allow chat in port....

Single chat system for everything. This is why you use something like Discord to talk with your clan

 

 

[biker_618]

What`s the point of punishment if it doesn't hit where it hurts?

[the_dude33]

32 minutes ago, biker_618 said:

What`s the point of punishment if it doesn't hit where it hurts?

That's an unfair and pretty idiotic comment, if you bothered to read OP's post.

 

1. he was chat banned across the board (in areas that have nothing to do with in-battle chat behaviour)

2. (and more importantly) he was chat banned, because somebody apparently took offence at his (rightfully, it seems) pointing out that a win was thrown away thanks to a division's bad performance.

 

 

[gisleg]

41 minutes ago, biker_618 said:

What`s the point of punishment if it doesn't hit where it hurts?

Fun fact, F spammers are not muted...

[Zen71_sniper]

1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said:

So then... Fail-div or tier 10 div? Those 2 are pretty much mutually exclusive

 

Single chat system for everything. This is why you use something like Discord to talk with your clan

 

 

And if you want to play Ranked? Or maybe invite a friend for a game, which is NOT in your clan? 

 

P.S. Fail-div is in my mind any division which is a failure. Let's not get too semantic... 

 

P.P.S. Are you on WG payroll?  

[_LordLucan]

three reports is a bit too thin to take action on in a 12 v 12 or even 7 v 7 , do multiple reports of the same player by the same player in the same match stack?

[biker_618]

1 hour ago, the_dude33 said:

That's an unfair and pretty idiotic comment, if you bothered to read OP's post.

 

1. he was chat banned across the board (in areas that have nothing to do with in-battle chat behaviour)

2. (and more importantly) he was chat banned, because somebody apparently took offence at his (rightfully, it seems) pointing out that a win was thrown away thanks to a division's bad performance.

 

 

Yes, i have read OP post.

 

And yes, i do agree that punishment because of abusing chat ban system can be an issue ... just pointing on purpose of punishment, and if you have solution other than court and jury - bring it here pls.

 

As I see it, punishment by itself is not a problem... abusing system is the problem.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

9 minutes ago, _LordLucan said:

do multiple reports of the same player by the same player in the same match stack?

 

No IIRC...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Zen71_sniper]

18 minutes ago, _LordLucan said:

three reports is a bit too thin to take action on in a 12 v 12 or even 7 v 7 , do multiple reports of the same player by the same player in the same match stack?

Karma went down by exactly 3 points, as I was curious to see what effect  the chatban has on karma.... 

[robihr]

2 hours ago, wilkatis_LV said:

So then... Fail-div or tier 10 div? Those 2 are pretty much mutually exclusive

 

3BB div= fail div

3DD div= fail div

 

just 2 examples of fail div, so not mutually exclusive.

[wilkatis_LV]

43 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

P.S. Fail-div is in my mind any division which is a failure. Let's not get too semantic... 

Fail div is a tier 7 ship in a tier 10 game, tier 4 ship in a tier 6 / 7 game and so on. Queueing up with different tier ships just to end up fighting ships you can't normally meet

 

38 minutes ago, _LordLucan said:

do multiple reports of the same player by the same player in the same match stack?

Pretty sure they don't. Well, at least I hope so

 

20 minutes ago, Zen71_sniper said:

Karma went down by exactly 3 points, as I was curious to see what effect  the chatban has on karma.... 

From my experience higher karma means you need a couple more reports  for the chatban. 0 karma seems to chatban you at 3 reports, at 8 Karma I got something like 6 or 7. Then again, game doesn't tell you af all times you;'ve been reported so who knows.

 

21 minutes ago, robihr said:

3BB div= fail div

3DD div= fail div

 

just 2 examples of fail div, so not mutually exclusive.

Well, that is more up to players queuing up like that 3x BBs or DDs who have a clue what they are doing (and probably somewhat split up) isn't always a bad idea, probalem is that most of them kinda don't have that clue

[BeauNidl3]

1 hour ago, robihr said:

3BB div= fail div

3DD div= fail div

 

just 2 examples of fail div, so not mutually exclusive.

 

Not sure I agree, have come across a thoroughly deadly 3 DD division of GBONA Clan running 1 radar Yuey, 1 Smoke Yuey and I think it was a Gearing, 2 games in a row, they most definitely didn't fail, I've seen plenty of single class divisions excel.

Fail Division to me is one that drags a lower tier in to facing a tier higher than it could naturally face with the +/-2 rules.

[NothingButTheRain]

1 hour ago, Zen71_sniper said:

Karma went down by exactly 3 points, as I was curious to see what effect  the chatban has on karma.... 

If your karma went down 3 points, doesn't this mean you got reported 6 times instead of 3 times?

Because I find it hard to believe that 3 bad chat reports will lead to a chat ban so easily 

1 hour ago, _LordLucan said:

three reports is a bit too thin to take action on in a 12 v 12 or even 7 v 7 , do multiple reports of the same player by the same player in the same match stack?

I do know that +1 karma doesn't stack. Threw away quite a bit for players who I think deserved a lot 

3 hours ago, biker_618 said:

What`s the point of punishment if it doesn't hit where it hurts?

The point is that someone who is abusive in chat and is chat banned, cannot bother me with their toxic chat messages anymore. I don't care if they are on discord or teamspeak or wherever! ...as long as they cannot bother me I don't really care 

[robihr]

2 hours ago, BeauNidl3 said:

 

Not sure I agree, have come across a thoroughly deadly 3 DD division of GBONA Clan running 1 radar Yuey, 1 Smoke Yuey and I think it was a Gearing, 2 games in a row, they most definitely didn't fail, I've seen plenty of single class divisions excel.

Fail Division to me is one that drags a lower tier in to facing a tier higher than it could naturally face with the +/-2 rules.

they are fail cause for them to work properly they need to move together. if they move together, other 2 caps usually dont have any dd support (unless a game with 4-5 dd). they fail not cause of damage or deadliness they can do, but cause strategically that option is a fail.

dd-s also have to scout so enemy dd cant flank. if you have dd only division they are usually leaving whole side open for enemy to flank. sure you sometimes have good players that can actually play good in dd only division, but that is more of an exception than a rule.

 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

8 hours ago, Zen71_sniper said:

Well, it finally happened, after 10K games

 

I got chat banned by a fail division for pointing out (really, no swearing, calling names etc) that they threw away a match by camping (oh, yes TX div...). 

 

Anyway, enough was said about how open to abuse is the whole mechanism.  BUT WHY do you block a chat to your clan, your division mates, etc???? I can't even talk to my contacts - while I understand a chatban INGAME, this is in port. Really, really badly thought out, you should at least allow chat in port....

 

 

 

I totally agree with you. This needs a change.

[bushwacker001]

Same old, same old....I was innocent m'lord crap. you only need to have this guy in your team to see the sort of bile he bungs out......touch sh1t on the ban, suck it up.

[P2Win]

Automatic chat ban SHOULD NEVER be left in player's hand. As a person who has been chatbanned many times, Majority of the time it's well deserved but there is that 1% of time you don't see it coming. All chat ban should be reviewed before they are put into effect. My guess with a stupid system as this automatic chat ban, WG know they don't have the resource to effectively monitor all the false report. 

[Zen71_sniper]

8 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

Same old, same old....I was innocent m'lord crap. you only need to have this guy in your team to see the sort of bile he bungs out......touch sh1t on the ban, suck it up.

If I try to translate your insightful  post into English, it seems that you are saying ban was deserved. Which seems that my point made a swishing sound as it flew over your head...

 

I am not arguing if it was deserved or not, but that whole implementation is a LAZY programming and that mechanism should allow you to communicate at least with friends or clanmates in port.

[Yedwy]

IDK how the chat system is implemented in the code but maybee its a single “server” that handles ALL player written messages so a ban is “server wide” it could be considered a bit of a lazy solution but if That’s the way messages are handeled then making a seperate/selective banning system might nit even be possible without an overhaul of the whole chat system and that is not something done overnight even if they deem it necessary at all.

[Outfielder]

3 hours ago, P2Win said:

Automatic chat ban SHOULD NEVER be left in player's hand. As a person who has been chatbanned many times, Majority of the time it's well deserved but there is that 1% of time you don't see it coming. All chat ban should be reviewed before they are put into effect. My guess with a stupid system as this automatic chat ban, WG know they don't have the resource to effectively monitor all the false report. 

 

Hang on! So;

 

1. Most chatbans you received were well deserved;

2. 1% you don't see coming (so that 1% is not well deserved in your opinion);

 

Why would WG waste resources on reviewing automatic chat bans if 99% are well deserved. I wouldn't if it was my company. 99% hitrate is quite enough for me. Would you waste the money?

[eliastion]

Alle 5/7/2018 alle 10:27, Outfielder ha scritto:

 

Hang on! So;

 

1. Most chatbans you received were well deserved;

2. 1% you don't see coming (so that 1% is not well deserved in your opinion);

 

Why would WG waste resources on reviewing automatic chat bans if 99% are well deserved. I wouldn't if it was my company. 99% hitrate is quite enough for me. Would you waste the money?

What's more - it's actually not that easy to get auto-chatbanned. I'm hardly a saint in chat and the only one time I got chat-banned, it was NOT autoomatic at all. Basically, you only get "easy" chat-bans after accumulating a lot of reports - so if 99% are well deserved and 1% isn't, that 1% most likely wouldn't even happen if not for that 99% that already puts the player on the naughty list and keeps him there (making the system more trigger-happy).

 

All in all, there are two real problems with the chat-ban system and these two are:

1. It's too all-encompassing, including places where it has no place being

 - Clan chat (maybe clan leader should have disciplinary measures like banning someone from clan chat, but automatic chatban? Shouldn't reach to channels that have actual people responsible for the membership)

 - Division chat (even more so than the above - if the divmates don't want someone talking to them, they shouldn't division with that person. If they div-up with them, they should be able to speak to each other)

 - personal chat in Port with people who added you as one of their contacts (if you have someone registered in your contacts - that's pretty clear indication that you actively seek to hear what they have to say to you, even if they have a foul mouth)

2. It's not all-encompassing enough. Here I won't write many bullets. Just one. But it's going to be in caps-lock.

 - WHY THE *edited* ARE CHAT-BANNED PEOPLE ALLOWED TO RUIN THE BATTLE CHAT BY SPAMMING IT WITH QUICK COMMANDS AND MAP PINGING

Whew. I feel better. I would feel even better if they did something about this disaster - especially since even actively taken actions to blacklist (mute) someone don't prevent you from seeing their chatspam. Extra points for the fact that as annoying as trash-talk can be, no manual talking can disrupt the team communication as much as the quick commands and map-spamming do if someone wants to misuse them.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

I think the point of this thread is that if you are chat banned you should still be able to use clan chat (or chat in general) when not in battle.