Yueyang vs Gearing

[loppantorkel]

18 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said:

 

To be fair the Gearing could use a little improvement tweak, it is one of the earlier T10 DD's isn't it? Shima got a recent and needed improvement to its base concealment, Gearing could do with sitting a bit lower in the water and a few seconds off its torpedo reload. It's a good ship, but I prefer my Fletcher overall.

I've got the Yueyang researched, I'll buy it as soon as it's discounted or I feel the urge to dump some Elite XP into a Captain.

I wouldn't argue about lowering Gearing a bit. It will probably suffer somewhat due to the Shima buffs, and it wasn't doing that well before.

6 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

Gearing has armour and YY is smaller... That's pretty much the difference when they fight head to head. Both have furious firepower.

YY has better concealment and feels more manoeuvrable, on top of being tougher to hit and more inclined for overpens by other ships. I'd pick the YY, no doubt.

[tank276]

17 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said:

 

To be fair the Gearing could use a little improvement tweak, it is one of the earlier T10 DD's isn't it?  Gearing could do with sitting a bit lower in the water and a few seconds off its torpedo reload

 

Honestly I would prefer it to become more nimble, dont like the "like a brick maneuvering" one bit.

[BeauNidl3]

4 minutes ago, tank276 said:

Honestly I would prefer it to become more nimble, dont like the "like a brick maneuvering" one bit.

 

True, it's a fatarse and feels sluggish when dodging, one reason I prefer the Fletcher and I have both in port.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

8 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

 

YY has better concealment and feels more manoeuvrable, on top of being tougher to hit and more inclined for overpens by other ships. I'd pick the YY, no doubt.

Gearing has general purpose torps which have to be considered when DD knife fighting but a YY can be yoloed. Gearing armour when angled means Z52 can't do that AP rubbish and they're forced to use their awful HE.

 

The overpen thing isn't as much of an issue as you think. In CW I still got smashed by BBs in my YY.

 

Either way I've given up using either in Ranked for now and have gone Rashan...

[loppantorkel]

2 minutes ago, Negativvv said:

Gearing has general purpose torps which have to be considered when DD knife fighting but a YY can be yoloed. Gearing armour when angled means Z52 can't do that AP rubbish and they're forced to use their awful HE.

 

The overpen thing isn't as much of an issue as you think. In CW I still got smashed by BBs in my YY.

 

Either way I've given up using either in Ranked for now and have gone Rashan...

I didn't know that. That's kind of handy. The torps is something to consider when knife fighting, but in the end - that advantage is too minor in comparison to Gearings weaknesses. In a knifefight I'm still confident to come out on top vs a Gearing.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

4 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

I didn't know that. That's kind of handy. The torps is something to consider when knife fighting, but in the end - that advantage is too minor in comparison to Gearings weaknesses. In a knifefight I'm still confident to come out on top vs a Gearing.

I think with equally equipped DDs then YY vs Gearing is down to skill. Both will be using HE on each other. But yeah it's quite rare you actually torp another DD in a knife fight so I'm wondering what sort of affect it actually has.

 

I did choose Gearing over YY due to the armour for Ranked. But I'm playing Cruiser currently so I've got little DD experience this season in the higher bracket. In CW the YY was clearly superior as the radar and DWP helped the team more, as a DD in CW others would tend to spot for you but in Ranked you probably need to shoot a bit more.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, loppantorkel said:

I didn't know that. That's kind of handy. The torps is something to consider when knife fighting, but in the end - that advantage is too minor in comparison to Gearings weaknesses. In a knifefight I'm still confident to come out on top vs a Gearing.

 

Come out on top in YY vs Gearing? Sorry no. If both are equally skilled and have the same support, chances are higher for Gearing. 

 

Not only because of the dangerous torpedoes, but also because the 21mm armor in the middle of the Gearing mitigates a lot of HE damage.

 

YY can only hope for good focus fire on his Radar. Which often doesn't work with Ranked teams. 

 

And yeah, YY+Gearing can both easily angle vs Z-52 AP and out-DPM him massively. He only has his Hydro to rely on. 

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

Well, I opened a thread on this in march and said I would conduct an experiment on how radar influences stats. I played my chung mu with radar only and without the module. In comparison to Fletcher (40 games vs. 28 on cm, both played with top torps from the get go): 

My damage dropped from almost 70k to about 62k, however my wr increased from 60% to 82%. This is quite significant even with the small number of games. Both ships were almost exclusively played solo. 

 

I only have 5 games in on the Yueyang, so I can't really weigh in on that one completely, but so far she feels just really good, especially with her cap denying potential. 

[wilkatis_LV]

Oh hello un-readable wall of text

 

 

At least do the decent thing and after copying the text in here click on the "paste as plain text instead" right below the text box

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said:

Well, I opened a thread on this in march and said I would conduct an experiment on how radar influences stats. I played my chung mu with radar only and without the module. In comparison to Fletcher (40 games vs. 28 on cm, both played with top torps from the get go): 

My damage dropped from almost 70k to about 62k, however my wr increased from 60% to 82%. This is quite significant even with the small number of games. Both ships were almost exclusively played solo. 

 

I only have 5 games in on the Yueyang, so I can't really weigh in on that one completely, but so far she feels just really good, especially with her cap denying potential. 

 

Hey man, I see where you are coming from, but that number is indeed way too small to prove a significant difference in performance. 

 

Also I guess the playstyle must fit the setup. 

[MassiveDYT]

1 hour ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Oh hello un-readable wall of text

 

 

At least do the decent thing and after copying the text in here click on the "paste as plain text instead" right below the text box

 

huh, that's not how it's displayed to me o.O how do i fix

[wilkatis_LV]

35 minutes ago, MassiveDYT said:

huh, that's not how it's displayed to me o.O how do i fix

It's the #1 bug in the forums since the re-design. I'm assuming you're running one of the light themes (classic or white), right? (you can change that on the bottom of the page if you didn't know )

 

If I would copy in here some text that's very light and leave it that way you wouldn't be able to read it either

 

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As for fixing it - select (highlight) all of it in your original post, copy it (ctrl C), click "Edit" (on the bottom of that post), delete all that part which you have copied, paste it (Ctrl V), under the text box there will appear this:

Click on the "Paste as plain text instead"

And then "Edit Topic" on the bottom. That's pretty much the only fix for it currently

 

P.S. You literally just did that, didn't you? Just as I was writing this

[MassiveDYT]

6 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

It's the #1 bug in the forums since the re-design. I'm assuming you're running one of the light themes (classic or white), right? (you can change that on the bottom of the page if you didn't know )

 

If I would copy in here some text that's very light and leave it that way you wouldn't be able to read it either

 

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As for fixing it - select (highlight) all of it in your original post, copy it (ctrl C), click "Edit" (on the bottom of that post), delete all that part which you have copied, paste it (Ctrl V), under the text box there will appear this:

Click on the "Paste as plain text instead"

And then "Edit Topic" on the bottom. That's pretty much the only fix for it currently

 

P.S. You literally just did that, didn't you? Just as I was writing this

 

Yes :D

[wilkatis_LV]

Since AP hits were mentioned... One thing most people tend to overlook is that gearing has 21mm side plating while other DDs have 19mm (refer to Khaba as a CL for simplicity )

 

Those 2 mm are a blessing and a curse at the same time.

 

To HE pen 21mm of armour without IFHE you would need 129mm caliber gun - I think only Russians have that, everyone else has them around 127mm. 19mm can be HE pen'd by anything  that's at least 117mm caliber - so anything that's not Akizuki.

 

At the same time that gives more effective armour to arm AP fuze. Here's how it looks vs the typical BB AP calibers of those tiers (angle given as "away from perpendicular")

 

The difference is about 1.5...2 degrees, a.k.a. about 2...2.5% easier to score a pen on an angled Gearings side than on other DDs

[MassiveDYT]

Has there been any talks from the developers about tweaking the Gearing or is she completely overlooked right now?