I suck, how can I git gud?

[M0bius_One]

https://wows-numbers.com/player/554260662,The_Dunk_Squad/

 

Some advice would be appreciated, because I have no idea what I'm doing and I don't know how to get better.

[B010011A]

27 minutes ago, The_Dunk_Squad said:

Sorry i dont know how to delete this so I'll write here:

At first sight with that amount of battles you have, you dont suck. You're actually at 51% WR. Which is pretty damn good for a newbie like you.

 

I had 49% WR with 1thousand battles and learnt the hard way haha.

 

 

Well, my tips for a newbie:

1. Do always check the mini-map to know: where are the enemy ships last sighted and how they are positioned, relative to your position and your team's, so you know if you can push or you have to retreat.

2. Do never stay with binoculars the whole time, be tabbing constantly so you can be able to correct your position against your enemies (direct and indirect ones).

3. Change course, speed and never show broadside.

4. Never sttay broadsided in smoke into a cap, nor in the same spot. Move into your own smoke, and if you see that you're being pushed, retreat.

5. Play all the classes to know how they work. You may like them and you'll have envision of all the player perspectives, therefore you wont call an X Y or Z class OP.

6. On the maps with open areas, try to avoid open waters and better go close to islands, you wont be punished that much never again.

7. When you start  a battle: check the shiplist to later be able to make a strategy to start with.

You'll learn how to act against X or Y ship, where to go or where to position better.

8. If you have a good strategy and know that in certain map is better to go to a certain cap and the team does the opposite, follow the team because you can end up facing the whole enemy team and be insta-deleted.

 

Have to think  for more tips. 

[CleverViking]

To be fair I haven't played a ton more games than you have but I'll give you my two cents anyway. 

 

First of all, like the guy above said, having around 50% WR with only 600 battles played isn't terrible, sure there are some people that have better stats at that point but they usually play a great deal of divs with an experienced friend or similar (like I did).

 

Anyway, my best tips would be:

- Check out IChase's guide (captain academy or whatever) for the basics like angling, ammo usage etc.

- Watch experienced players like Flamu (take note of positioning, what other ships are doing to get a grasp of WHY he does what he does, which is the most important bit)

- Keep to a tier where you feel more comfortable until you get better at the game, no use rushing to high tiers and having short and frustrating matches (I remember my matches in Mogami was a rollercoaster of frustration and enjoyment and I played a lot in divs at the time, I would probably have had a better time grinding another line rather than rushing for Zao)

- Play with a more experienced player (helps a lot, especially to get the basics down and learning positioning)

[tank276]

You are on a good start for sure.

Try to stay more to lower tiers, even if you have gained the xp to go to the next. In general , dont rush up the tiers and take your time.

Dont start too many different lines, it will be painful to grind untill making the ships elite (top hulls, engines and others), retraining the captain and will be also costly on credits.

If you like BBs, play mostly BBs, if cruisers etc. etc.

If your silver ships are still at ,say tier 4, dont buy Tirpitz or the likes. You will not learn much and get frustrated.

Good luck :)

[Commander_Cornflakes]

Don't play hightier premium ships for now ;)

Regular progress through all the tiers is important, but if you take a shortcut to tier 8, you will meet far more experienced enemies.

For example: Only play Alabama after you have a North Carolina so you know how to American BB.

 

Next, make sure your captains have the correct skills. Use Youtube tutorials or search this forum to find recommendations for each ship. Or if you don't find one for a ship, ask here.

Same for ship upgrades. There are many things you can do wrong and I know because I did most of them myself

 

And if you are at it, also watch the tutorials on how to play these ships ^^

We can't really say much just from the stats. You can however post some replays here which we can watch to give actual advice for your gameplay.

(Click here https://replayswows.com/ on FAQ if you don't know how to activate them)

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

Watch guides. What applies to one ship doesn't apply to another. There is a lot of current material out there. Watch, apply, learn. 

[loppantorkel]

Like the above suggests. Play different ships, but then maybe find the type of ships that suits you. I think if you want to be good in bbs and cruisers, you kind of benefit from learning armour layouts and shell penetration. Strategic positioning is important for bbs especially - if you're bad at that, either learn or switch to another class. Dds are omre adaptable and much more local - knowing the threats and where you're needed the most is important, aside from being able to deal with some action. I think this might be overlooked a bit - what suits you mentally and where your strengths are.. For me to be better at bbs, I need to study the game more, and I'm not interested in that at the moment. Gunboat dds are fun for me because they suit me and I've learned how to handle different situations relatively well.

[M0bius_One]

2 minutes ago, tank276 said:

You are on a good start for sure.

Try to stay more to lower tiers, even if you have gained the xp to go to the next. In general , dont rush up the tiers and take your time.

Dont start too many different lines, it will be painful to grind untill making the ships elite (top hulls, engines and others), retraining the captain and will be also costly on credits.

If you like BBs, play mostly BBs, if cruisers etc. etc.

If your silver ships are still at ,say tier 4, dont buy Tirpitz or the likes. You will not learn much and get frustrated.

Good luck :)

 

I came from a several years of playing Tanks in the majority of games, I don't like things that can't take a hit and I'm willing to sacrifice damage to survive longer, so I guess Battleships are for me.

[Aotearas]

First thing that jumps at me looking at your stats is the fact you seem to be free XPing a good bit to skip ships.

 

Not the best idea as that means you also skip through a lot of learning steps as grinding up a line also provides a readily available source to accumulate experience, particularily positioning and finding the balance between agression and caution.

 

In your case I'd simply recommend to put your higher tier ships on hold for a while, pick a line you haven't played/free XPed much (mostly because already having plaed or free XPed ships really messes with your motivation to play them again, just pick any line that seems interesting to play for as long as you don't provide yourself a readily available lazy way) and then invest some time playing and learning that specific line. Reading available guides on the forum here and watching some commentaries on Youtube about that line helps developing a good baseline on how to learn a ship. Which is something not a lot of people realize is quite crucial, not the learning how to handle a ship, but the knowing how to learn it. Once you got that down, it's actually fairly easy to extrapolate and get a pretty solid idea of how a completely different ship would play like just by looking at its stats in port and the actual playing the ship part is just optimization. It also makes it a hell of a lot easier to improve yourself since you'll be able to identify when you made a mistake once you established a basic guideline to refer to

 

I know that sounds pretty vague and technically it is (though that's kind of the point of it aswell). And I can't really explain it in more detail without writing up a small library of guides (something I'm quite positively too damn lazy for, plus I'm not sure how many people would take advice from someone with a [SCRUB] clantag seriously ...).

[tank276]

1 minute ago, The_Dunk_Squad said:

 

I came from a several years of playing Tanks

Check my nick name and know in the future you are not alone :)

I came from there too, I have 47 k battles in Tanks, Warships is a more cool game with , in general, more cool players and forumites

Yeah, if battleships is your thing, battleships it is. (just remember my Tirpitz advice for several months  )

Good luck friend, meet u in the high seas.

[Flavio1997]

you are not that bad of a player, but looking at your stats:

with bbs

-you stay probably too into the action and die too quickly ( i can see that thanks to the low avg kills and avg survive ratio)

-you target the "wrong target" ( i can see that tanks to the low avg exp, especially taking premium into account), probably you focus too much on bbs, remember that in this game who kill the dds first, usually win

 

with cruisers even worse, you just rush into the enemy ( on some ships you have 5% survive ratio), remember that the longer a cruiser survive, the more it becomes impactful in the game, exponentially

 

with cv you seems actually pretty good! nice

 

however there is something to note and that can upset a lot of people ( me too a bit, i have to say) and can actually drive you out from this game from frustration:

you have bought a crapton of premium ships, especially hight tiers ones, way before you have reached those tiers with normal silver ships, it means that a very inexperienced player get thrown in a high tier match and you don't know what to do, and your team demands way more at tier 8 than at tier 5. So, stop playing tier 7-8 until you have reached those ship with at least 2-3 lines and 2 different tipes of ships, or you will be a burden for your team, and the game will be unfun to play because you will get nuked

[M0bius_One]

4 minutes ago, tank276 said:

Check my nick name and know in the future you are not alone :)

I came from there too, I have 47 k battles in Tanks, Warships is a more cool game with , in general, more cool players and forumites

Yeah, if battleships is your thing, battleships it is. (just remember my Tirpitz advice for several months  )

Good luck friend, meet u in the high seas.

 

I mean like, Tank classes. I played Heavy in TF2, Warrior in World of Warcraft, Heavies in World of Tanks, Tanks in League. I played DoTA 2 for several years and Tidehunter was my favourite hero. (Tidehunter being a huge tanky [edited] that could stun entire teams). I think part of the reason I end up going way too deep and dying (I admit this is a problem) is probably a vestige of years of playing MOBAs where your goal as a tank was to draw as many CC spells onto yourself and if you die doing it, it's no problem. 

[CLyDeThaMonKeY]

My 3 most used tips for new players is usually:

- Don't rush up the tiers. Stay on the current tier until your 100% comfortable. Each tier has its learning curve. (mostly)
- Minimap, minimap. minimap, minimap! Cant stress this enough!
- Use free XP to skip stock hulls/guns/torps/gunfirecontrol etc. Dont skip ships. As the tier, each shipline has its learning curve as well.

Your still new to the game but seem to rush up the tiers according to stats. But overall, your performance is good for a new player. Good job so far sir. Trying to better is always good! 

[M0bius_One]

5 minutes ago, CLyDeThaMonKeY said:

My 3 most used tips for new players is usually:

- Don't rush up the tiers. Stay on the current tier until your 100% comfortable. Each tier has its learning curve. (mostly)
- Minimap, minimap. minimap, minimap! Cant stress this enough!
- Use free XP to skip stock hulls/guns/torps/gunfirecontrol etc. Dont skip ships. As the tier, each shipline has its learning curve as well.

Your still new to the game but seem to rush up the tiers according to stats. But overall, your performance is good for a new player. Good job so far sir. Trying to better is always good! 

 

I want Yamato, should I continue up the line advancing when I have enough XP? I'm like, half way to Nagato now.

[eliastion]

36 minutes ago, The_Dunk_Squad said:

https://wows-numbers.com/player/554260662,The_Dunk_Squad/

 

Some advice would be appreciated, because I have no idea what I'm doing and I don't know how to get better.

Well, the most obvious thing you seem to be lacking is experience. You've rushed through the tiers and bought some premiums - and you ended up playing against people with thousands of battles under their belt. It's especially noticeable with your DDs - you have a grand total of 19 battles in DDs below tier 8. That's not nearly enough to learn to play the class. Most of your DD battles are in your three t8s: Lo Yang, Akizuki and Asashio. You suck terribly with the first and the other two seem to have good winrate, but with relatively few battles and underwhelming "soft" stats (frags and damage) it seems more like much of this is thanks to luck with MM.

So, as far as DDs go, my advice would be: go down to lower tiers. Play some more there. Get some confidence there and then slowly move forwards. As you are now, you just don't seem to be ready for t8+ DDs. I don't say it's impossible to learn to play t8+ by playing t8+, but you risk picking up bad habits - for someone with limited experience, it's quite possible that you might see the best results when playing extremely safe - saving yourself from ignominious death at the hand of more experienced players (sometimes armed with Radar and other nasty surprises). Unfortunately, playing it safe - while better than dying - doesn't exactly make you a force to pull your team towards victory. You need to know how to play aggressively and when to try a safer approach - but these need to be built on top of some basic skills and experience that you didn't give yourself a chance to acquire at lower tiers. It's harder to pick up on these basics when playing less forgiving higher tier ships, against - on average - more experienced opponents. Not impossible, mind you, it's certainly doable. But harder.

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, The_Dunk_Squad said:

 

I want Yamato, should I continue up the line advancing when I have enough XP? I'm like, half way to Nagato now.

Only ship actually worth skipping is Izumo, rest of the ships in line are at least solid ships to play with. Yamato is quite tricky ship, as she is only T10 battleship with exposed citadel, so major quackups will send you to the port quickly

[CLyDeThaMonKeY]

4 minutes ago, The_Dunk_Squad said:

 

I want Yamato, should I continue up the line advancing when I have enough XP? I'm like, half way to Nagato now.

Yeah. Be patient and keep grinding. Avoid using freeXP on skipping ships. 
Izumo is a hate/love subject. Some people hate it, I actually like it and I still have it. Izumo is a good example of the learning curve. Izumo teaches you map positioning which is very very important in the Yamato.
Especially now that she's been powercreeped by other T10 BBs. 
If you like the Nagato, you probably gonna like the Yamato as well  Check up YouTube/Twitch for good captain builds. Concealment expert and fireprevention is in my opinion really needed in the Yamato.

[Prospect_b]

A lot of good tips above.

Some gameplay tips. (i.e. tips to win)

 

1. Shoot enemy DDs

2. Protect your own DDs.

3. Shoot enemy radar ships.

4. Find the optimal range where you can exert pressure on the red team without overextending.

5. Stay near friendly ships when there are carriers.

6. Shoot enemy DDs.

7. Always keep an eye on the minimap (I found this quite hard myself). And anticipate if you need to relocate in time.

 

Also, shoot enemy DDs.

 

And everything else is just a question of time & practice. One of the reasons so many people will advice you not to skip lines/tiers.

 

 

Cheers.

[M0bius_One]

Just now, CLyDeThaMonKeY said:

Yeah. Be patient and keep grinding. Avoid using freeXP on skipping ships. 
Izumo is a hate/love subject. Some people hate it, I actually like it and I still have it. Izumo is a good example of the learning curve. Izumo teaches you map positioning which is very very important in the Yamato.
Especially now that she's been powercreeped by other T10 BBs. 
If you like the Nagato, you probably gonna like the Yamato as well  Check up YouTube/Twitch for good captain builds. Concealment expert and fireprevention is in my opinion really needed in the Yamato.

 

So I can just continue to Yamato? If I don't skip ships, I hope I'll be good enough when I actually get Yamato.

[wilkatis_LV]

No idea about cruisers, but here are some things for your BBs:

 

Low average dmg + very, very low killrate + low-ish main better hit rate

 

What that tells me is you are probably

a) staying too far back - BBs have terrible dispersion, moving closer (often around 12....15km from battle - basically together with or very slightly ahead of your cruisers) helps with the accuracy

b) focusing too much on BBs / refusing to give up the target / tunnelvisioning

b1) Target priority would usually go something like this (top = highest priority, bottom = lowest priority)

* Ship directly dangerous to you

* Ship directly dangerous to some ally (for example to your division-mate or to something like allied DD contesting a cap)

* DDs (past 12km kind of a wasted shot - take it if there really is nothing better to do)

* Cruisers (especially broadside ones)

* BBs

b2 & b3) Constantly shooting one ship till he dies isn't always the best idea, especially if they angle. BBs have long reloads - zoom out, check your surroundings, find your next salvos target. Even if you are already aiming for someone, but he starts to angle - have a quick look around if someone maybe is giving you a broadside.

 

Another thing is - make your shots count. Don't always try to shoot on cooldown, wait those extra few seconds if needed and make sure it will be a good hit

 

Running concealment builds on BBs is most definitely not a waste of time - it allows you to get closer for more accurate shots, as well as disengage easier if you come under too much fire

 

Kind-of pretty important to learn is overmatch mechanics - that means (approximate) gun calibers and general armour schemes. No need to fire HE at a bow that you overmatch, AP will do more. At the same time no reason to fire AP at a bow which will just bounce it.

 

That leads into my 2 last points - angling and amo selection

* Angling will come with practice - going fully bow-on, especially at mid-tiers, can often result with a similar outcome as going fully broadside. What you want to do instead is give just enough angle that enemy bounces on your main belt

* Like 99% of the time you'll be just firing AP (yes, even with RN BBs - while they have the best overall HE among BBs it's actual advantages over other BBs HE tend to be heavily overrated). But that also means that you will have to learn basically to predict when you'll need that HE loaded ahead of time. But don't be afraid to use it - far too many people senselessly fail by shooting nothing but AP when they can't damage the angled opponent.

** This makes the "Expert Loader" skill sound good, especially for just 1 point. But don't - it's a terrible skill. At 15 seconds reload you might aswell just have fired whatever you had loaded and then swapped the amo, it will simply work out better. The only exception is if you have a captain with that skill being improved (like John Doe) as 7s is perfectly fine for this task

 

 

Oh, almost forgot! WASD is the bestest of your friends. Just randomly keep changing your direction and speed - that will help not only to dodge incoming torpedoes without you ever knowing they were there, but also will make you that little bit harder to hit, especially at longer ranges. And, of course, if you get it right - that left-and-right motion will let you to fire all your guns at enemy while angling for his return shot

[EsaTuunanen]

34 minutes ago, The_Dunk_Squad said:

I came from a several years of playing Tanks in the majority of games, I don't like things that can't take a hit and I'm willing to sacrifice damage to survive longer, so I guess Battleships are for me.

Battleships are also good for doing damage if you can aim well and pick right targets for shots.

Though focus shouldn't be completely in absolute damage.

5k damage in overpens to enemy destroyer is lot better than 10k to battleship, because that destroyer is then in disadvantage against destroyer of your own team.

 

 

But while battleships can tank lots of incoming fire they're also big targets which get often focused and big clumsy unstealthy ship has hard time in dodging fire/disengaging from unfavourable situation.

In such situation battleship's hp pool can feel really fleeting.

While more agile cruisers angling and WASD haxing at long range can avoid huge amount of enemy fire while barbequing BBs.

And could stop firing and more easily become undetected to wait for enemies to look for other targets before reopening fire.

Also Soviet speed boat destroyers with AFT could harass enemy even more while being extremely hard target when in proper position avoiding crossfire.

 

So you need to plan many minutes ahead for how enemies are likely going to position then and where you can get into cover to heal up or turn around.

And especially try to have those covers available in planned route.

Unles being part of clearly superior force to defending enemy ships.

[TeaAndTorps]

Hi OP. I'm also a newish player trying to git gud and, while I'll leave the gameplay hints to more experienced and competent players than myself, I wanted to share a couple of learning resources and strategies I've found useful.

 

First, as has been mentioned above, Flamu's YT channel. But specifically, his 'Highlight – replay analysis' vids, where he watches Twitch viewers' replays of their average games and gives pointers on how to improve off the cuff. They are so useful but unfortunately there are only 9 of them so far, I think, and I would seriously recommend watching them all if you haven't done so. Also, his commentaries for any ship or line you want to know more about will be very helpful.

 

I've also found it useful to watch certain good players on Twitch – Flamu, Crysantos, Flambass and Izolate especially. I've found it useful really actively watch them, i.e. to keep an eye on their minimap while watching and try to work out why they're making certain moves, trying to predict what they'll do next and seeing if I was right, etc., trying to identify possible threats to them and seeing how they react... (It's also helped me develop good habits re. looking at my own minimap, but it sounds like you have consierably more experience with online gaming than I do, so maybe you don't need so much help with that). It's possibly worth noting that Crysantos is prob a better pick than Flamu or Flambass if you prefer a low-salt diet, but obvs that's personal taste.

 

Hope something there is helpful

[Ferry_25]

Perhaps already mentioned: you're doing very good actually. Better then me statwise. I think most tips are given already. My idea is you've jumped into high tier premiums too soon.

[aboomination]

I think these videos had the biggest influence on my performance

Spoiler

 

 

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

On 05. 05. 2018. at 6:30 PM, The_Dunk_Squad said:

https://wows-numbers.com/player/554260662,The_Dunk_Squad/

 

Some advice would be appreciated, because I have no idea what I'm doing and I don't know how to get better.

first - all stats are pure luck and no skill

second - you play for fun

third - when you dont count all cheaters that kills you you are in top 10 % players