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Hello everybody, 

 

I have put together a Dutch tech tree suitable for world of warships. I have provided a link where you can view the document in which I made my tech tree. I haven't just listed the ships. I have given each ship a page describing their history, characteristics and possible game play. I would really like to share it with you and hear your feedback.

 

Here is the link where you can view my tech tree.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/0d0dfx6vks1lrpz/Dutch tech tree 3.1.docx?dl=0

 

If you liked it, feel free to share it with someone who thinks a Dutch tech tree is impossible. 

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Nice read.

Especially the Tier V cruiser  HNMLS Tromp looks like fun to play. Good mix of destroyer/cruiser gameplay.

Also some nice premiums.

Good work.

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I'm after De Ruyter, Kortenaer and Java, would be nice as they were illegally salvaged recently. 

A Doorman commander would be nice too. 

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Good job. Here some more info in case you did not know this site; http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A1.c03%3A20.c04%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:1.c03:20#c01:0.c02:1.c03:20

Ik think Java can also be a tier 4 cruiser and the Ruyter tier 5 with a B hull 4x2 15cm and a C with torpedo arnement. (They kept room for those)

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8 minutes ago, Archduke_Franz_RIP said:

Good job. Here some more info in case you did not know this site; http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A1.c03%3A20.c04%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:1.c03:20#c01:0.c02:1.c03:20

Ik think Java can also be a tier 4 cruiser and the Ruyter tier 5 with a B hull 4x2 15cm and a C with torpedo arnement. (They kept room for those)

Thanks for the link, I shall look into it later. Java and the Ruyter can easily move up 1 tier and be competitive. I could add an alternative Java-class design at tier 3 or 4 to make the line itself work. But that would make the Tromp a tier 5 premium along with her sister ship Jacob van Heemskerck. Placing the cruisers like this makes a bit more sense to me. However, I just wanted to show the potential of a Dutch tech tree, so Wargaming can shift around these ships as much as they want. 

Lastly, could you also provide a source for the potential torpedo-tubes on De Ruyter?

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Sorry i cannot find it anymore. Only thing I could find; Then there were officers demanding the ship to be upgunned to 8" guns and lastly, there were those who propagated the ship being fitted out with torpedo tubes to act like a big destroyer.

source;  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/8073-february-28-focus-hnlms-de-ruyter

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4 hours ago, Archduke_Franz_RIP said:

Sorry i cannot find it anymore. Only thing I could find; Then there were officers demanding the ship to be upgunned to 8" guns and lastly, there were those who propagated the ship being fitted out with torpedo tubes to act like a big destroyer.

source;  https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/8073-february-28-focus-hnlms-de-ruyter

These 8-inch guns and torpedotubes will most likely not be implemented just because some officers wanted it. Besides, I don't want to alter a historical ship unless I have to. De Ruyter is fine as she is in this tech tree

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19 hours ago, The_Flying_Dutchman114 said:

Nice read.

Especially the Tier V cruiser  HNMLS Tromp looks like fun to play. Good mix of destroyer/cruiser gameplay.

Also some nice premiums.

Good work.

Thanks, I'm glad you like it

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21 hours ago, Archduke_Franz_RIP said:

Good job. Here some more info in case you did not know this site; http://www.gahetna.nl/collectie/archief/ead/index/eadid/4.MST/node/c01%3A0.c02%3A1.c03%3A20.c04%3A0./open/c01:0.c02:1.c03:20#c01:0.c02:1.c03:20

Ik think Java can also be a tier 4 cruiser and the Ruyter tier 5 with a B hull 4x2 15cm and a C with torpedo arnement. (They kept room for those)

Thanks a lot again. In that source I have found a destroyer design that bridges the gap between the Admiralen-class destroyers and the Gerard Callenburgh-class. This will be a great addition to the destroyer-line. Thank you very much! I will notify you when I update the tech tree. 

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23 hours ago, Jellicoe1916 said:

I'm after De Ruyter, Kortenaer and Java, would be nice as they were illegally salvaged recently. 

A Doorman commander would be nice too. 

Kortenaer is represented in Piet Hein in this tech tree. 

What would you suggest as the special perks of the Doorman commander?

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Amazing work!

 

I love the premium Tier IV battleship, particularly the echelon configuration. I'd love to see more ships like this, like España and Von der Tann.

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I would possibly give Doorman High Alert, reflecting that him and his crew were pretty much constantly at High Alert during the Java Sea campaign and possibly an improved Survivability Expert considering how many Battles He and De Ruyter had taken part in, such as Badung strait and the Makassar strait, and then countless air raids they had endured while in Surabaya. 

You could easily argue for others though. 

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On ‎5‎-‎5‎-‎2018 at 11:48 AM, EwoudK said:

Hello everybody, 

 

I have put together a Dutch tech tree suitable for world of warships. I have provided a link where you can view the document in which I made my tech tree. I haven't just listed the ships. I have given each ship a page describing their history, characteristics and possible game play. I would really like to share it with you and hear your feedback.

 

Here is the link where you can view my tech tree.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k9xcqczi7dz339y/Dutch tech tree 3.docx?dl=0

 

If you liked it, feel free to share it with someone who thinks a Dutch tech tree is impossible. 

 

Nice tech tree , there are several drawings that are released for model ships. including beam plans.  it also contains the old design of 1939 of the Eendracht class cruisers .http://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/schepen/stoom-en-motorschepen/marine/

http://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/nvm-1011088-hrms-kruiser-de-zeven-provincien-oorsp.html

And this site shows the guns used by the royal Netherlands navy. http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNNeth_Main.php

 

There is something of interest that make a tier 4 Carier posible the converted shell tankers to counter U-boats http://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/nvm-1611020-vliegkampschip-hrms-karel-doorman-1946.html4

 

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16 hours ago, HNMLS_Bloyesvantreslong said:

 

Nice tech tree , there are several drawings that are released for model ships. including beam plans.  it also contains the old design of 1939 of the Eendracht class cruisers .http://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/schepen/stoom-en-motorschepen/marine/

http://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/nvm-1011088-hrms-kruiser-de-zeven-provincien-oorsp.html

And this site shows the guns used by the royal Netherlands navy. http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNNeth_Main.php

 

There is something of interest that make a tier 4 Carier posible the converted shell tankers to counter U-boats http://www.modelbouwtekeningen.nl/nvm-1611020-vliegkampschip-hrms-karel-doorman-1946.html4

 

Thanks for the links, I shall see if I can find anything useful. As for the potential tier 4 carrier, she could only carry a maximum of 20 aircraft. This is very low even for a tier 4 carrier, although not impossible. I just severely doubt Wargaming would want a tier 4 premium aircraft carrier. Especially since it is just a British aircraft carrier with a Dutch flag on it. The Karel Doorman I have at tier 6 has at least been extensively modified and saw extended service. Not to mention that it would be confusing to have 2 carriers with the same name...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_De_Zeven_Provinciën_(1909)

You could add that as the tier 3 to go along with the tier 4-6 premium designs and have a semi-line of Dutch battleships which would return to the cruiser line at tier 7, it would make some sort of sense since the tier 9 and 10 are battlecruiser designs. I can't find anything relating to tier 7/8 worthy designs which could make the transition from battleship to battlecruiser more seemless unless you want to incorporate the Dutch tree into a joint European tech tree and add some Spanish designs.

Maybe they could also have the Nairanahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Nairana_(D05) and Karel Doormanhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Karel_Doorman_(R81) as tier 3/4 and tier 6 premium aircraft carriers

Anyway, these are just my two cents.

 

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5 hours ago, EwoudK said:

Thanks for the links, I shall see if I can find anything useful. As for the potential tier 4 carrier, she could only carry a maximum of 20 aircraft. This is very low even for a tier 4 carrier, although not impossible. I just severely doubt Wargaming would want a tier 4 premium aircraft carrier. Especially since it is just a British aircraft carrier with a Dutch flag on it. The Karel Doorman I have at tier 6 has at least been extensively modified and saw extended service. Not to mention that it would be confusing to have 2 carriers with the same name...

Np on the doorman name its tricky as 3 cariers caried that name . but had different names when commisiond. 

As for the Cruiser de Ruyter later the Almirante Grau was the last gun cruiser in service in any navy,[4] although its main armament was supplemented with Otomat anti-ship missiles. She was decommissioned on 26 September 2017.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_(CLM-81)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSo8Y4TaHc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGvuJBBrHhI

 

And here some old navy footage of torpboats gunboats destroyers cruisers.subs etc

Royan Hetherlands navy 1917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wl4HI2GFfk

Royal Netherlands navy 1922-1962

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT-B8go3PsE&

Royal Netherlands navy ships during WW2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idpz1PgvTXs&

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For those who didn't know: I have updated the tech tree with a better destroyer-line. My previous tier 3 destroyer wasn't very suitable for World of Warships but now I have added a new tier 5 destroyer-design which makes the entire line much more consistent. I would like to hear what you guys think about.

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19 hours ago, HNMLS_Bloyesvantreslong said:

Np on the doorman name its tricky as 3 cariers caried that name . but had different names when commisiond. 

As for the Cruiser de Ruyter later the Almirante Grau was the last gun cruiser in service in any navy,[4] although its main armament was supplemented with Otomat anti-ship missiles. She was decommissioned on 26 September 2017.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAP_Almirante_Grau_(CLM-81)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMSo8Y4TaHc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGvuJBBrHhI

 

And here some old navy footage of torpboats gunboats destroyers cruisers.subs etc

Royan Hetherlands navy 1917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wl4HI2GFfk

Royal Netherlands navy 1922-1962

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT-B8go3PsE&

Royal Netherlands navy ships during WW2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idpz1PgvTXs&

You haven't told me anything I didn't know :P

But still thanks for the footage, very nice to watch

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On ‎5‎-‎5‎-‎2018 at 11:48 AM, EwoudK said:

Hello everybody, 

 

I have put together a Dutch tech tree suitable for world of warships. I have provided a link where you can view the document in which I made my tech tree. I haven't just listed the ships. I have given each ship a page describing their history, characteristics and possible game play. I would really like to share it with you and hear your feedback.

 

Here is the link where you can view my tech tree.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k9xcqczi7dz339y/Dutch tech tree 3.docx?dl=0

 

If you liked it, feel free to share it with someone who thinks a Dutch tech tree is impossible. 

 

4 minutes ago, EwoudK said:

You haven't told me anything I didn't know :P

But still thanks for the footage, very nice to watch

I know you do, as you are a navy buff.i posted the links for every one to enjoy  i worked 9 years in the dutch navy and had some conections in the designburo of the rijks werf they would give out a lot of plans to navy personel that where interested in building moddels..

I have seen a lot of different drawings plans and concepts of prewar and post war ships. that where and never got build..

 

Like the Celebes , when construction began  the java class whas superior to most cruisers of the time and surpased the japanese . due to financial and cunstruction delays they where almost obsolete when commisioned . as the navy was aware of this and they still needed a flagship the canceled Celebes was to be redisigned and have its guns in double enclosed mounted turrets. and the 2 remaining guns would be open shield placed a midships. as the Original Celebes whas to be larger than the java class due to its flagship  status and command roles.

it was perfect to redisign the ship for this layout .

Instead the dutch goverment and navy advisors chose for a new design called the ruyter.

It took me a while to find an online representation of this ship

but here it is.

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36 minutes ago, HNMLS_Bloyesvantreslong said:

 

I know you do, as you are a navy buff.i posted the links for every one to enjoy  i worked 9 years in the dutch navy and had some conections in the designburo of the rijks werf they would give out a lot of plans to navy personel that where interested in building moddels..

I have seen a lot of different drawings plans and concepts of prewar and post war ships. that where and never got build..

 

Like the Celebes , when construction began  the java class whas superior to most cruisers of the time and surpased the japanese . due to financial and cunstruction delays they where almost obsolete when commisioned . as the navy was aware of this and they still needed a flagship the canceled Celebes was to be redisigned and have its guns in double enclosed mounted turrets. and the 2 remaining guns would be open shield placed a midships. as the Original Celebes whas to be larger than the java class due to its flagship  status and command roles.

it was perfect to redisign the ship for this layout .

Instead the dutch goverment and navy advisors chose for a new design called the ruyter.

It took me a while to find an online representation of this ship

but here it is.

celebes update.png

Do you have any sources on that Celebes design other than that drawing? The closest I managed to get was a Java-class with 12 x 150 mm guns and a slightly longer hull. 

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Its hard to get the full design specifications , but the Celebes would be a larger java class ship. to cary extra staff and command facilitys.

As i saw these designs ans specs in the Phoenix building that have all the drawings . i think some of the data should be available in the museum at den helder.

I will try to get some extra sources and search the interweb for more information.and keep you posted . it would be an interesting design for a premium  like the sharnhorst and gneisenau.

 

Found some additional data http://navypedia.org/ships/netherlands/nl_cr_java.htm

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9 minutes ago, HNMLS_Bloyesvantreslong said:

Its hard to get the full design specifications , but the Celebes would be a larger java class ship. to cary extra staff and command facilitys.

As i saw these designs ans specs in the Phoenix building that have all the drawings . i think some of the data should be available in the museum at den helder.

I will try to get some extra sources and search the interweb for more information.and keep you posted . it would be an interesting design for a premium  like the sharnhorst and gneisenau.

 

Found some additional data http://navypedia.org/ships/netherlands/nl_cr_java.htm

I could put a pre-design of the Java-class at tier 3 and move up Java and De Ruyter up 1 tier. This would allow the (somewhat unorthodox compared to the rest of the cruisers) Tromp to be a tier 5 premium. I could also move up De Ruyter one tier and add Celebes in the 4 x 2 150 mm configuration, one of these changes should make the cruiser line a bit more consistent and allow for another very interesting premium ship. While you are searching, would you mind keeping an eye out for: De Zeven Provinciën-class (1953) with QF 6 inch Mark N5 guns like the Minotaur? I have seen multiple people discussing it but haven't found any sources whatsoever. 

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Just found what the confusion was for this ship. The Celebes was infact the ruyter before comprimises where made . this was also the time that the java class would have a modernisation of its equipment and this would contain 4 twin turrets for the java class cruisers this was canceled as the eendracht class cruisers where ordered. and they only got the main maintenance and refits for equipment. when commisiond the the name changed to the de ruyter.

 

Its interesting as the upgrades proposed for of the java class eventualy became the de ruyter. 

 

The de ruyter had some different design isues and would have called Celebes. and would have 8 150mm guns  or 6 203mm guns see design/finacial isues below.

Ship project history: In 1930, in view of the Japanese fleet power excursion, the parliament of the Netherlands has made a decision about building of third cruiser for service in the East Indies. For economy reasons, she should have displacement less, than Java class cruisers, equal protection with them and 32kts speed. Armament should consist of 6 15cm guns (2 twin mounts aft and 2 single fwd) and 2 twin 105mm AA guns. This decision has undergone to the shattering criticism because of the small dimensions and weak armament. It was offered to finish at an insignificant dimensions enlargement number of guns to 8 150mm or 6 203mm. In 1932 the conciliatory proposal was accepted: at the expense of some hull lengthening and displacement increase seventh main gun has been added. Order has been given out 1/9/1932. It was originally supposed to give to cruiser name Celebes, but at launch she was named De Ruyter, that has caused of renaming of one Admiralen class destroyer.

 

And ofcourse i will keep an eye open for the eendracht  1953 guns systems in question .

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Sorry de eendracht class cruisers Always where intended to carry 152 mm  bofor guns. and for the german design 150 mm L/55 C/28

The AA guns whould be 8- 57mm bofors  guns .  as the dutch navy had experience with these guns had licence to build the 40mm bofors and build fire control systems for bofor guns.

Here is some footage of the Original cruiser and its weapons.from 1953 after completion of the ship in rotterdam.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF4DP-Anokg 

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