Double punishment playing Dm. Donskoi

[Yogibjoern]

Been one shot twice in Dm. Donskoi less than 30 sec spotted by Yamato and Montana. Didn't even had a chance to fire my guns out of range of anything spotted. To add insult to injury both occasions I was penalized by the new punishment system to be AFK/ inactive.... Guess I wont be play Donskoi anymore if this is going to be the norm.

 

Can this really be true??

@Tuccy @MrConway

[aboomination]

Learn from it - learn about positioning and the ongoing battle for concealment, especially at the start of a match when there are only few targets to shoot at.

A DD will have spotted you. Look at your spotting distance circle (map) and expect the enemy DD to be sitting at the furthest edge of any cap zone.

Don't have your circle touch those spots and in most cases you'll be fine at the start as a cruiser. Sometimes DD will push in further - either because they're lunatics, potatos or your own DD(s)/radar ships/planes are visibly occupied somewhere else.

 

Also make yourself an unattractive target. Don't sail in straight lines after being spotted, don't give an easy broadside, have an escape route in your mind BEFORE deciding where to go at the start.

Also #2: Have your turn at least 1/2 complete before firing your guns. At least don't shoot and then turn.

[Yogibjoern]

position ??? lol... Point is no matter how bad your position is, You should never be punished by the new system when you actual is active.. Equals being one shoted by BB AP in a DD early in the match.

[aboomination]

13 hours ago, Yogibjoern said:

You should never be punished by the new system when you actual is active.. Equals being one shoted by BB AP in a DD early in the match.

Idk, this never happened to me...I got punished when I disconnected and never got back into the game. Solution for me was to not play random battles while having unstable internet.

Your solution could be to git gut and stop playing randoms until you surpass a bot/afk player in effectiveness.

 

But I guess this doesn't happen to you on a regular basis, right?

[Jethro_Grey]

Donskoi is a very good cruiser and not as squishy if you play it right.

[Ulvesnutepostei]

3 minutes ago, Yogibjoern said:

position ??? lol... Point is no matter how bad your position is, You should never be punished by the new system when you actual is active.. Equals being one shoted by BB AP in a DD early in the match.

Point is if you are spotted and show Your broadside to a Yamato you should not blame anyone but yourself if you get a devastating salvo that makes you obsolete for the rest of the round ... if that happens the first 30 Seconds of the round (or several rounds it seems) you should take advice and not laugh at a guy trying to help you ... 

 

if you get a punishment for it it's well deserved for being of absolutely no value to the team for dying so early ...

[AnotherDuck]

If you're deleted early the punishment system shouldn't flag you for it. It happens in normal gameplay, and isn't anything anyone should be punished for.

[Yogibjoern]

Just now, AnotherDuck said:

If you're deleted early the punishment system shouldn't flag you for it. It happens in normal gameplay, and isn't anything anyone should be punished for.

This!!!

 

[aboomination]

6 minutes ago, AnotherDuck said:

If you're deleted early the punishment system shouldn't flag you for it. It happens in normal gameplay, and isn't anything anyone should be punished for.

No doubt, but this would only be a real problem for players who happen to be that guy more than once a year.

Also @Yogibjoern replay pls.

[Yogibjoern]

Donskoi stock 800 m more gun range than detection range... Spawn in open water with no cover... Yeah its easy to be deleted before you even have time to make your situation better...

[aboomination]

1 minute ago, Yogibjoern said:

Donskoi stock 800 m more gun range than detection range.

If you decide to play her without camo module and camo expert, you should at least play her accordingly ;)

[BeauNidl3]

17 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

Donskoi is a very good cruiser and not as squishy if you play it right.

 

That was my experience, I rather enjoyed the ship. Apply the lessons learned from Kirov, Budyonny, Shchors about angling effectively against incoming fire and be a bit cautious early on and it's a very effective cruiser. Obviously you don't set to sea in a T9 stock ship, the first hull upgrade gives and extra 3.2k HP, the range module helps, but the stock 16km range is workable.

It's entirely true that getting deleted by T10 BB's is a reality, but it's true of all cruisers if you're not careful with your positioning and map awareness.

 

6 minutes ago, aboomination said:

If you decide to play her without camo module and camo expert, you should at least play her accordingly ;)

Of course, Concealment Expert, Concealment System upgrade and at least a basic camo mounted is obligatory, downright daft not to have those and expect to play in a T9 ship, not fair to the team.

[wilkatis_LV]

50 minutes ago, Yogibjoern said:

Been one shot twice in Dm. Donskoi less than 30 sec spotted by Yamato and Montana. Didn't even had a chance to fire my guns out of range of anything spotted.

Stop giving your broadside to everyone then

 

50 minutes ago, Yogibjoern said:

To add insult to injury both occasions I was penalized by the new punishment system to be AFK/ inactive....

Let me guess - by "one shot" you mean "hit so hard that there was no more point in playing" - your ship was still alive and you quit to port?

Or are you loading in that late that people can get shots on you within a couple hundred meters of the place where you spawned?

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

5 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Stop giving your broadside to everyone then

 

Let me guess - by "one shot" you mean "hit so hard that there was no more point in playing" - your ship was still alive and you quit to port?

Or are you loading in that late that people can get shots on you within a couple hundred meters of the place where you spawned?

Spotter plane yamato can .

[Yogibjoern]

6 minutes ago, wilkatis_LV said:

Stop giving your broadside to everyone then

 

Let me guess - by "one shot" you mean "hit so hard that there was no more point in playing" - your ship was still alive and you quit to port?

Or are you loading in that late that people can get shots on you within a couple hundred meters of the place where you spawned?

 

No I was deleted from the front by the yamato. AND NO WOULD NEVER EVER LEAVE A BATTLE BEFORE I AM DEAD.... Didn't ask how stupid you was

[BeauNidl3]

Donskoi without Concealment System, no Camo or Concealment expert has 16km detectability (just checked) so it's visible from pretty much anywhere on any of the smaller maps.

To say that playing it in any Random game in that condition is unfair to the team is an understatement, it's downright negligent.

 

Let's face it if anyone with guns loaded saw that we'd all fire immediately, it's entirely his own fault.

 

@Yogibjoern, own goal of massive proportions, no sympathy if you're playing even mid tier ships in that condition and far less playing high tier ones. There's no excuse taking a T8+ cruiser out without concealment system upgrade and the basically free (25k silver is essentially free) for the Type5 camouflage. Playing a T9 ship without Concealment Expert on your captain is again unforgivable.

 

How can you not have learned these basics by Tier 9? The mind boggles.

[Capra76]

4 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said:

Playing a T9 ship without Concealment Expert on your captain is again unforgivable.

 

Isn't a concealment build questionable on the RU T9/10?

[Tungstonid]

58 minutes ago, aboomination said:

Idk, this never happened to me...it happened to me when I disconnected and never got back into the game. Solution for me was to not play random battles while having unstable internet.

Your solution could be to git gut and stop playing randoms until you surpass a bot/afk player in effectiveness.

 

But I guess this doesn't happen to you on a regular basis, right?

Damn, that's some 2nd degree burning right there. I hope OP had water ready...

 

54 minutes ago, AnotherDuck said:

If you're deleted early the punishment system shouldn't flag you for it. It happens in normal gameplay, and isn't anything anyone should be punished for.

What's the difference between an AFK player and a player who gets deleted two minutes after the battle started with no contribution whatsover besides maybe pressing "W" twice and holding "A" or "D" for a few seconds? Right, there is none. Both serve as exp pinata at best - for the enemy team. Both don't deal damage, both don't go for/support objectives, both give points to the enemy team when sunk. you can even argue that the player who got sunk early is worse because he makes his own team lose crucial points early on (contrary to the AFK players who usually "saves" his points for about 10 minutes) and the enemy doesn't have to guess where he is and can therefore play more agressively.

[havaduck]

8 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

Isn't a concealment build questionable on the RU T9/10?

 

Donskoy with full concealment: 12,3 km. Same as full concealment Hindenburg  and considering its WAY less durable I would say its mandatory. So not good but .... viable in a sense of helping to survive things like the early AP hail; not even talking about getting into advantageous radar positions.

 

People who have played Pensa with 16 km concealment on maps like Trident know weather or not this makes a difference.

 

 

€:

 

2 minutes ago, Tungstonid said:

 

What's the difference between an AFK player and a player who gets deleted two minutes after the battle started with no contribution whatsover

 

I have seen afk bots with 0 xp (afk-recognition kicking in) getting solo warrior. They are/can be INDEED more useful than the OP.

[BeauNidl3]

50 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

 

Isn't a concealment build questionable on the RU T9/10?

 

Hell no, with extra dollops of no thrown in, this is a T9 cruiser we're talking about, not Khaba.

 

@Yogibjoern frankly you deserve the pink for Unsporting Conduct taking a ship out in that shape.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

How did you get to Donskoi without learning how to survive as a Cruiser?

 

I quite enjoyed my DM time, it's just a long range HE spammer.

 

Trick with any Cruiser is only shooting if BBs aren't onto you then slipping back into concealment until you can fire again. But you should be familiar with that play style by T9. Even T10 Cruisers won't stand up long under sustained fire...

[EsaTuunanen]

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

 

Isn't a concealment build questionable on the RU T9/10?

No reason to not use at least concealment camo in every ship which isn't intended to tank damage.

After all it isn't away from captain skill points.

[Yogibjoern]

Potato or not is not the question.

 

 

Penalty is the question. Please notice time spent and distance travelled.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

2 hours ago, Yogibjoern said:

Been one shot twice in Dm. Donskoi less than 30 sec spotted by Yamato and Montana. Didn't even had a chance to fire my guns out of range of anything spotted. To add insult to injury both occasions I was penalized by the new punishment system to be AFK/ inactive.... Guess I wont be play Donskoi anymore if this is going to be the norm.

 

Can this really be true??

@Tuccy @MrConway

Sounds ok to me...

[wilkatis_LV]

8 minutes ago, Yogibjoern said:

Potato or not is not the question.

 

 

Penalty is the question. Please notice time spent and distance travelled.

2:16 time in battle, means you were inactive (late loading) for at least 34 seconds. As simple as that