[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #1 Posted May 2, 2018 Hey WG, Why not just put optional 10km Kagero torpedoes on Asashio ? (could be a second hull, that is like Kagero with either smoke or TRB) Would reduce the salt and sell more ships. (as suggested by @Yogibjoern in another thread) ( @Boris_MNE here you go) ( @MrConway think about it) 9 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #2 Posted May 2, 2018 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #3 Posted May 2, 2018 13 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: Hey WG, Why not just put optional 10km Kagero torpedoes on Asashio ? (Since the ships are identical) TRB and smoke in seperate slot? Not exactly insignificant difference from Kagero. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #4 Posted May 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: Hey WG, Why not just put optional 10km kagero torps on Asashio ? (Since the ships are identical) Would reduce the salt and sell more ships. (as suggested by @Yogibjoern in another thread) Because then she would be strictly better than Kagero - TRB and separate slot is a BIG thing and the existence of 20km DWT option would make the "Kagero clone" set-up more effective (some people would be easier to catch off-guard by Asashio turning out to be able to torp them). Of course, it would work the other way as well - Asashio with DWT would still need to be treated by cap-contesting opponents as if it could torp them since only seeing their torps (or, well, reading stats while loading but there are some problems with that) could tell what configuration the ship is in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MBSSX] OldschoolGaming_YouTube Beta Tester 3,274 posts 16,879 battles Report post #5 Posted May 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: Hey WG, Why not just put optional 10km Kagero torpedoes on Asashio ? (Since the ships are identical) Would reduce the salt and sell more ships. (as suggested by @Yogibjoern in another thread) ( @Boris_MNE here you go) ( @MrConway think about it) I fail to see how that would sell more ships? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #6 Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Riselotte said: TRB and smoke in seperate slot? Not exactly insignificant difference from Kagero. I thought of an additional hull, that is basically a Kagero (smoke or TRB) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Mr_Tayto Players 1,099 posts 10,119 battles Report post #7 Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: I thought of an additional hull, that is basically a Kagero (smoke or TRB) Or... Just get Kagero? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dCK_Ad_Hominem Players 1,176 posts 5,859 battles Report post #8 Posted May 2, 2018 Nope, let people keep their mistakes. A premium Kagero is already present in the Harekaze. Asashio is beyond saving. And every small buff would become completely irreversible due to her premium status. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #9 Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Mr_Tayto said: Or... Just get Kagero? Kagero is not premium. Can't put my 19p Shima cap into that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #10 Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: I thought of an additional hull, that is basically a Kagero (smoke or TRB) So, first iteration Asashio, just with buffed guns. Feels Prinz Eugen, man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Mr_Tayto Players 1,099 posts 10,119 battles Report post #11 Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: Kagero is not premium. Can't put my 19p Shima cap into that. Why not just play Shima? You'd only see tier 10s in your premium Kagero, anyway. For that matter, we also have Harekaze at tier 8. I'm struggling to see your logic here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oderisson Players 789 posts 7,023 battles Report post #12 Posted May 2, 2018 This discusion is stupid. Kagero has 10km torps so it would be just buffed kagero. If You want to balance it like that and keep reload booster and smoke at the same time, You would have to make different lunchers, lets say 3 torps per luncher. There needs to be a debuff in comparision to Kagero. But we all knoow that DDs skill at the moment is "fire widespereads in general direction" so noone will use 3 tube luncher. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #13 Posted May 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Riselotte said: So, first iteration Asashio, just with buffed guns. Feels Prinz Eugen, man. By its own yes. As part of an adjustable ship, it is more attractive. @Mr_Tayto Harekaze has the T7 torps as a tradeoff for the Akizuki guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #14 Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Oderisson said: This discusion is stupid. Kagero has 10km torps so it would be just buffed kagero. If You want to balance it like that and keep reload booster and smoke at the same time, You would have to make different lunchers, lets say 3 torps per luncher. There needs to be a debuff in comparision to Kagero. But we all knoow that DDs skill at the moment is "fire widespereads in general direction" so noone will use 3 tube luncher. Oh holy crap, TRB, smoke and 3x3 setup on a Kagero hull with 5.4 km stealth? Sign me up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oderisson Players 789 posts 7,023 battles Report post #15 Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Riselotte said: Oh holy crap, TRB, smoke and 3x3 setup on a Kagero hull with 5.4 km stealth? Sign me up. I said 3 torps per luncher. That makes it 2x3 torps. I meant debuff of torps not buff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #16 Posted May 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, Oderisson said: This discusion is stupid. Kagero has 10km torps so it would be just buffed kagero. If You want to balance it like that and keep reload booster and smoke at the same time, You would have to make different lunchers, lets say 3 torps per luncher. There needs to be a debuff in comparision to Kagero. But we all knoow that DDs skill at the moment is "fire widespereads in general direction" so noone will use 3 tube luncher. That is why I said a second hull, that can only have smoke or TRB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yogibjoern Players 471 posts 2,535 battles Report post #17 Posted May 2, 2018 I could live with 8 km Shinonome torps as a option. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oderisson Players 789 posts 7,023 battles Report post #18 Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: That is why I said a second hull, that can only have smoke or TRB. I disagree because of one thing WG said a long time ago: "premiums are supposed to be unique". Torpedo reload and smoke in one configuration is this uniqueness. They wont resign from it. And I dont think they should. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #19 Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: By its own yes. As part of an adjustable ship, it is more attractive. @Mr_Tayto Harekaze has the T7 torps as a tradeoff for the Akizuki guns. A bit less speed, a bit less damage, still hits hard enough to hurt and Bensons would likely love to have these on T8. Also, it would be then a choice of premium Kagero, a mediocre DD or the current retard boat, with all that implies. It's the downsides of first iteration and last iteration combined. Just now, Oderisson said: I said 3 torps per luncher. That makes it 2x3 torps. I meant debuff of torps not buff. In which case, it's garbage, because 2x4 continually likely spams out more torpedoes than 2x3 with TRB. Abilitty to launch 12 torpedoes at once is not worth trading for basically a Hatsuharu setup. Not to mention, Asashio historically had quad-launchers, giving it anything else likely won't happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] __Helmut_Kohl__ Beta Tester 4,156 posts 18,919 battles Report post #20 Posted May 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, Oderisson said: I disagree because of one thing WG said a long time ago: "premiums are supposed to be unique". Torpedo reload and smoke in one configuration is this uniqueness. They wont resign from it. And I dont think they should. We already had that on the old Shiratsuyu, but ok. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THROW] wilkatis_LV [THROW] Players 5,061 posts 10,702 battles Report post #21 Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: optional 10km Kagero torpedoes on Asashio Not going to happen since that would make Asashio actually usable Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,103 battles Report post #22 Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said: Hey WG, Why not just put optional 10km Kagero torpedoes on Asashio ? (could be a second hull, that is like Kagero with either smoke or TRB) Would reduce the salt and sell more ships. (as suggested by @Yogibjoern in another thread) ( @Boris_MNE here you go) ( @MrConway think about it) good idea...but we all know this is not gonna happen.....there were so many ideas about this ship (well to be honest first crying about it was that it is worst kagero and useless) that WG could implement if they wanted (ship was in testing for long time) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #23 Posted May 2, 2018 Knowing WG, they'll either overbuff it or they'll pull it from the shop if they think it isn't fine. Or they pull it after overbuffing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yogibjoern Players 471 posts 2,535 battles Report post #24 Posted May 2, 2018 Neither way I won't regret I bought it, It was just for shits and giggles anyway. It will be useful on days with MM flooded with BB's. But it would be nice to have a choice anyway, At least then the other team would have a harder time judging you as a threat or not. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #25 Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, dCK_Ad_Hominem said: Nope, let people keep their mistakes. A premium Kagero is already present in the Harekaze. Asashio is beyond saving. And every small buff would become completely irreversible due to her premium status. Mistake? LOL. Are you drunk? :D That shippy is hilariously OP. Even if there aren't many BBs. I play with 6 km concealment now and still disrupt not only BBs but DDs too. If someone isn't a complete noob that ship is absolutely not a mistake. But enjoy your salt I guess. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
