Helmut Schiffmann- new german commander

[ajb13]

for team play the extra range of vigilance combined with hydro is useful as you'll detect more torps that are targeting friendlies and not just yourself, and if you're a DD out in front they'll have more time to evade them. Maybe good for team play and helping with the Asashio menace?

[Yedwy]

Seeing trops sooner is always better but question is is it worth 5 points that otherwise would go to other 2 and 3 pointers...

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

I'll throw in my 2 cents worth because the German fleet is my overall favourite, and I've wanted a special German commander for it for a long time.

 

1) I'm struggling to see how to best use the special skills of Helmut Schiffmann, for reasons stated upthread.
2) He is arriving on the scene a little too late for me.
Why? I don't have unlimited time to play the game, which means that I can only grind selected lines and play a limited number of personal favourites.
In the case of my German fleet, I already have more highly skilled captains for playing eight ships regularly, plus  three spare captains with 10+ skill points.

 

So, I want to collect Helmut Schiffmann (as part of my German collection, naturally), but I can't see myself employing him in action.

[principat121]

Shouldn't we not be glad, that the upcomming new special commander (Schiffmann) has such underwhelming improved skills? Because that leaves more room for the (indirect confirmed) legendary german captain coming somewhen later.

[tank276]

I want to be positive, if he had expert marksman too after Missouri's cook, Dunkirk and Honore have it also, I would be more than dissapointed.

 

[ColdWarFish]

Well, not necessarily.

More room means more room for nonsense as well.

Now we get JoaT and Vigilance, soon we might get improved Direction Centre or PM and improved torpedo acceleration or smoke screen expert...

[Procrastes]

2 hours ago, Salentine said:

might it be something to do with permission to use an actual persons name rather than 'some generic name'...

Unless some von Müller family (there have been many) has actually trademarked "Karl von Müller" as an international brand name, I doubt there is any legal prohibition on the use of that name in a fictional context.

[Captain_Singleton]

36 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

Unless some von Müller family (there have been many) has actually trademarked "Karl von Müller" as an international brand name, I doubt there is any legal prohibition on the use of that name in a fictional context.

but you linked to a specific Karl von Muller, from the Emden, so yes, maybe not by the letter of the law, but by common decency need to get some relatives permission to use the name, like they did with Yamamoto's...

[Procrastes]

1 hour ago, Salentine said:

but you linked to a specific Karl von Muller, from the Emden, so yes, maybe not by the letter of the law, but by common decency need to get some relatives permission to use the name, like they did with Yamamoto's...

So there was an actual link to the Captain of the Emden? I missed that part.

In that case, you are entirely correct. It would be legally dubious - not to mention bad form - to implement the Karl von Müller in the game, without express permission from his living relatives.

And come to think of it, it would be so much fun if they did! The only naval officer I admire more than Karl von Müller, is Lord Nelson... and the latter is not altogether likely to make an appearance in the game, for obvious reasons.

[robihr]

6 hours ago, PzychoPanzer said:

It is indeed an extremely stupid captain's name, even for WG standards ("john doe"...)

still better than steven seagull

 

[MBrandis]

Those captain skills are really not useful for any of my German ships. 

 

For BBs: 

- to use vigilance I would have to give up SI or BoS, which are both far better skills considering you have a) hydro and b) DW torps do not care about vigilance

- to use JoaT would mean giving up AR

 

For DD: 

no. Just no. 

 

CA: 

- ok, I guess Vigilance can be somewhat useful here but that would mean sacrificing AFT which is a far more useful skill on a Hindenburg

- JoaT is....underwhelming

[Verblonde]

32 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

The only naval officer I admire more than Karl von Müller, is Lord Nelson... and the latter is not altogether likely to make an appearance in the game, for obvious reasons.

 

They could always do Zombie Lord Nelson for Halloween - no more absurd than having an IJN warship commanded by a fluffy cat...?

[Spunyarn]

8 hours ago, Estaca_de_Bares said:

The only ships where the Vigilance improvement could be somewhat useful are the oversized destroyers, i.e. Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Tirpitz, in combination with rudder. 

 

Funny thing is that my Scharnhorst captain had that portrait until one day I had the surprise that his face had changed. And, please, oversized cruiser at least, she might be shorter than the Alaska and have smaller guns but she is 5000 tons heavier. And I do seem to be playing her more than the Graf Spee, which used to scratch the "cruiser with big guns and some durability" itch.

 

1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

They could always do Zombie Lord Nelson for Halloween - no more absurd than having an IJN warship commanded by a fluffy cat...?

 

I don't think he'd do as well as some would hope. He'd want to cross the enemy's T and give them a broadside, and as he thinks "No Captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy" he'd try to brawl with his battleships and neither of these might work out well for him. Especially if Nelson was in the Nelson as that does actually have a comparatively easy to hit citadel, or if he followed his advice that "you must hate a Frenchman, as you do the devil" and was trying to brawl with a French Battleship and their better secondary armament. 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

6 hours ago, 44smok said:

Why Helmut? There are enough helmutosaurs in the game.

 

Whats a helmutosaur? 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

10 hours ago, Bademeister02 said:

why not take something like Karl von Müller for example?

 

I'd rather have his First Lieutemamt Hellmuth von Mücke or Karl August Nerger, captain of the SMS Wolf (IV)

 

And if there's problems with the "real names" just call them Hellmuth von Wespe and Karl August Berger.

 

Edit: Alas , I forgot... there can of course be no german war heroes (even if they were recogniced as such and respected by their war time opponents) as we germans are always the villains (which isn't that far from the truth globally, except for some individuals who definately weren't)

[aboomination]

Really, as a German I am offended by this name. Special captain my [edited].

[BeauNidl3]

The skills don't seem interesting or useful. So this "special" commander will just be a 10 pointer that I may eventually find a use for with a standard build. 

[Verblonde]

9 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

 

I'd rather have his First Lieutemamt Hellmuth von Mücke or Karl August Nerger, captain of the SMS Wolf (IV)

 

Thanks for the interesting links - hadn't heard of either of these chaps.

[44smok]

3 hours ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

Whats a helmutosaur? 

 

German BB player obviously 

[Aragathor]

25 minutes ago, aboomination said:

Really, as a German I am offended by this name. Special captain my [edited].

What, aren't you thrilled by Captain P!ssguy?

 

25 minutes ago, BeauNidl3 said:

The skills don't seem interesting or useful. So this "special" commander will just be a 10 pointer that I may eventually find a use for with a standard build. 

I have 1x 10p German captain in reserve and 2x 6p captains. Getting another 10p captain would be sooo helpful.

[Ferry_25]

I don't have a clue OP. JoaT is OC useful on all ships. Not counting CV as a ship in this debate. But vigilance? Heck that's a skill i am planning on my dedicated Impregnator captain for lvl 19. Because TINA at all for that ship. Otherwise I'm not running it in any other ship at all. In 99,9% of the cases it's so easy to deduct when torps are incoming, I'll take preemptive moves in the first place: either dodging them all or taking 1 or in extreme cases 2. I'll try and win this captain but absolutely not sure where to put him. K Albert perhaps?

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

They should've just called him "Herr Kaleu".

I sincerely hope they at least got Jürgen Prochnow to do the voice acting.

Zitat

Edit: Alas , I forgot... there can of course be no german war heroes (even if they were recogniced as such and respected by their war time opponents) as we germans are always the villains (which isn't that far from the truth globally, except for some individuals who definately weren't)

There's an idea for a name!

 

"Martin Niemöller"!

 

"First they nerfed the DDs, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a DD player.

"Then they nerfed the BBs, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a BB player.

"Then they nerfed the CVs, and I did not speak out—

Because I was not a CV player.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

 

SCNR

[BeauNidl3]

Just as an aside the name is a bit close to that of a mass murdering doctor in the UK who killed off many elderly patients having got them to include him in their wills.

 

Harold Shipman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman

[principat121]

19 hours ago, aboomination said:

Really, as a German I am offended by this name. Special captain my [edited].

Rename them!

Take this mod:

When this commander hits the live servers there will be a replacment for him, looking like this and named after him:

Spoiler

 

[deadly_if_swallowed]

19 hours ago, aboomination said:

Really, as a German I am offended by this name. Special captain my [edited].

 

As for his perks, I am absolutely fine as I use both of them on my Hindenburg. Expert Loader with 75% buff would have been much better though. So sad it got changed after the announcement.