Team Damage penalty and Torpedos.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

Again I would had fully understood if I had been banned yet again after a ticket like with the first ban where I indeed on purpose dealt team damage and haven´t learned from it - this case tho where a single mistake means 3 days game ban cause the probation doesn´t takes in account any mistakes by yourself and others is just unfair if indeed the person wasn´t aware nor did any of his action on purpose.

The other guy did not do any mistakes. You were responsible for your torps.

[snddim01]

9 minutes ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

 

Anyway I hope that we get an WG response to this so that others can learn something new from this case.

 

You actually think you're in the right here, don't you? 

 

You sunk a teammate by placing a large number of torps in his path at short range, while his attention was focussed on dodging enemy fire. And yes I have watched the replay. 

 

You immediately blamed him for the consequence of your actions, as shown by your sarcastic "Well done" message seconds after you killed him. 

 

You've subsequently posted four times (or is it five now?) about players running into torps, reinforcing the idea that it was his fault rather than yours. Blame the victim.  

 

And all this after you admit to deliberately attacking a teammate in a previous match. Pretty much the definition of toxic behaviour. 

 

 

I've been torped a few times by teammates and it drives me crazy when they try to me blame for it.

 

So I have absolutely no sympathy for you. Stop your whining, bitching and moaning. You got exactly what you deserved. 

 

It's YOU who needs to learn something from this thread. Not other players or Wargaming. 

[Pukovnik7]

1 hour ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

Again I would had fully understood if I had been banned yet again after a ticket like with the first ban where I indeed on purpose dealt team damage and haven´t learned from it - this case tho where a single mistake means 3 days game ban cause the probation doesn´t takes in account any mistakes by yourself and others is just unfair if indeed the person wasn´t aware nor did any of his action on purpose. 

Again, you are responsible for your torpedoes. If your teammate is an idiot and blocks your torpedo shot? You are responsible for not firing torpedoes. If there are teammates who might potentially run into your line of fire? You are responsible for assessing the risk. In short, if in doubt, do not shoot. Never shoot a torpedo unless you are 100% certain there are no teammates around who might run into torpedoes. And no, I don't mean "only shoot if you are certain you will not hit teammates if things remain as they are", I mean "only shoot if you are 100% certain you will not hit your teammates no matter what happens". If that friendly cruiser looks like it will be well clear of torpedoes' path, but might get hit if it turns the wrong way? You don't shoot. If a friendly battleship is behind your target and you might hit it if you miss whatever you are targeting? You don't shoot. If a friendly destroyer is just behind the island but might get hit by your torpedoes if he makes a rightwards turn? You do not shoot.

 

And if you really want to shove a bunch of torpedoes down some fat battleship's throat? I already explained it: get close, get point-blank if you want, and shoot once you are certain that there is no physical way a friendly ship might insert itself between yourself and your target. I learned this the hard way, too: I killed two friendly cruisers, I think, before I concluded that long-distance torpedo shooting is not a good idea, especially since I do have a bit of a tunnel vision issue. Besides, torpedoes are best used as ambush weapons: in narrow canals or attacking ships already engaged. In both scenarios, it is quite easy to ensure no accident happens.

EDIT:

4 hours ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

Sorry for "necrothread" but what was here said in terms of not getting banned for not on purpose team damage/kills is incorrect.

WG staff can look into this at any time (I provide ticket ID´s if needed to confirm what I am saying here) - I only list the facts. 

 

Five days ago (21.01.2021) I got banned for two days for damaging a friendly player (on purpose - replay 2) the last 1-2 minutes before the match ended, after the player on purpose denied playing the match at all. It was wrong to let my frustration take over and breaking this games unsportsmanlike conduct but I got what I asked for - that game ban was fully deserved on my end.

Fast forward to today (26.01.2020) - I tried to login into my account a few hours ago while getting greeted by a game suspension till the 29th - I haven´t received any mail notification whatsoever (I checked all mails including my junk/spam folder). I have played since my first game ban 30 games where only a single incident occurred where I dealt damage to friendly players. This match (replay 1 attached) a player (jaguar 10-15 minutes into the game on A/B cap) on my team drove into my torps and died after he was chased by half the enemy team and was less then 10% of his ship HP - the torpedos were clearly for the enemy BB´s that pushed the flank that game - that was the only incident I know of the past 3 days where anything in terms of "unsportsmanlike conduct" could apply for. Support told me that "The friendly fire of each player is in fact calculated taking into account the amount of damage caused and the frequency in which these accidents follow one another in a given period of time." - how can out of 30 games be a single torpedo that wasn´t supposed to hit the friendly ship end up as 3 day game ban? That is just wrong.

 

 I contacted Sehales on this matter already after support denied any actual "investigation" (since support themself always reminds about not appealing any "unsportsmanlike conduct" bans - kinda contradicted when you indeed can open a ticket for this reason).

 

Replay 1 beeing the game that got me banned today (yudachi)

Replay 2 is the one that first ever game ban (vermont the mentioned above one)

20210125_201755_PJSD507-Yudachi_17_NA_fault_line.wowsreplay

20210120_222411_PASB110-Vermont_19_OC_prey (1).wowsreplay

Anyway, I looked at the replays.

 

In the Replay 1, you actually shift aims quite well. So you don't even have my excuse of the aim-induced tunnel vision (I used to spend all the time zoomed in before I learned better). Your problem appears to be tendency towards long-distance shooting combined with the general tunnel vision. Long-range torpedoes are a) much easier to evade (extremely easy if you are in something like a cruiser or a Vanguard), and b) much more likely to hit allies. So it is a habit you might want to drop. It is also quite clear that you did not consider positions of... well, anything on the map other than the target you were attacking. Plus, you are constantly running into islands - again, tunnel vision.

 

As for Replay 2, I get a critical error every time I try to open it.

 

In response to another post, I have to note that I have only gotten torpedoed by a friendly player maybe once. I also torpedoed friendly players maybe once or twice back when I first started playing. It is something excusable if you are only getting used to torpedo cruisers, but you have over 7k battles so I really don't understand what is the problem.

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

5 minutes ago, snddim01 said:

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That´s a lot of accusation/bad bait you made there without providing any real evidence - isn´t that actually toxic behaviour towards me?

You move the goalpost that is "should anyone get game banned for a single mistake that was not on purpose after that person had a game ban in the past" and the question "should WG provide more data in terms of going against a rule in their eyes" - all I read is a lot of accusation while I indeed said that it was an mistake torping.

I can´t take anyone serious that isn´t trying to stay polite at all while also blaming every single person that maybe not on purpose torped you in the past and using the words bitching, moaning and whining in the next sentence.

 

 

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

1 hour ago, Pukovnik7 said:

In the Replay 1, you actually shift aims quite well. So you don't even have my excuse of the aim-induced tunnel vision (I used to spend all the time zoomed in before I learned better). Your problem appears to be tendency towards long-distance shooting combined with the general tunnel vision. Long-range torpedoes are a) much easier to evade (extremely easy if you are in something like a cruiser or a Vanguard), and b) much more likely to hit allies. So it is a habit you might want to drop. It is also quite clear that you did not consider positions of... well, anything on the map other than the target you were attacking. Plus, you are constantly running into islands - again, tunnel vision.

 

Since I can see that you watched the replay and not like others made up things I ask you simple this: Did I on purpose torpedo the friendly  DD or not - did I launch my torps directly at my DD and not the BB that pushed hard into our spawn side - like snddim01 pretty much accused me of? Was this 3 days of game ban worth while also not getting an mail by WG that informed me about the game ban? 

 

Btw you know I was the Yudachi and not a "torpedo cruiser" right?

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

So did I on purpose torpedo the friendly DD or not

Whether you did or not doesn't really matter (I'm assuming it wasn't deliberate FWIW); the whole thing with the team damage system is to try and get people to behave themselves as much of the time as possible i.e. to modify their behaviour.

 

Since it's made clear (here for example) how the whole thing works, it is assumed that someone who has recently had a sanction of some sort applied will not want another, and will so behave themselves better (in the case of accidents, that means being *extra* careful before opening fire).

 

It's actually quite a wise system to have in place; by always putting the onus on the firer to make sure they don't hit a friendly, WG make things easier to understand, and - more importantly for them - make it much easier to automate the enforcement system.

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

46 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Since it's made clear (here for example) how the whole thing works, it is assumed that someone who has recently had a sanction of some sort applied will not want another, and will so behave themselves better (in the case of accidents, that means being *extra* careful before opening fire).

 

It's actually quite a wise system to have in place; by always putting the onus on the firer to make sure they don't hit a friendly, WG make things easier to understand, and - more importantly for them - make it much easier to automate the enforcement system.

"Some unscrupulous players will actually turn into a teammate's torpedoes in order to turn him pink. There's no way for the system to tell whether his actions — or yours — were intentional or not. Be advised and govern yourself accordingly" is the part that I mentioned dislike most. I mean for what reason can you appeal a ban and send in a replay that asks you also for timestamp of XYZ situation when the reply in most cases is an automatic customer support answer. Had there been any cases around here where players got their penalty lifted after exactly such cases? 

Otherwise I agree with you.

 

Edit: In terms of the pink, orange and gone aka ban example on that page is incorrect to a certain extend - I got that game pink and did not receive any team damage - damage. The system turned me for two games pink  played my 10 or so games before going to bed without any issues. Booted the game up and puff straight up game ban for Unsportsmanlike conduct - I don´t know a single case of where someone got game banned without getting the mail from WG. 

This is what you can expect in case you ever face such thing (also as mentioned the mail I have not gotten by WG on the 26th).

(in the header they for whatever reason list only the game ban time and not also in the mail itself)

[Pukovnik7]

1 hour ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

Since I can see that you watched the replay and not like others made up things I ask you simple this: Did I on purpose torpedo the friendly  DD or not - did I launch my torps directly at my DD and not the BB that pushed hard into our spawn side - like snddim01 pretty much accused me of? Was this 3 days of game ban worth while also not getting an mail by WG that informed me about the game ban? 

 

Btw you know I was the Yudachi and not a "torpedo cruiser" right?

You did not, but it doesn't matter. An ally who just got torpedoed in the flank will not care about the reasons. He got torpedoed. Since you are the one launching the torpedoes, it is your duty to avoid harming allies. It is the same rule as in medicine: do no harm. That is the first thing you have to ensure, before you do anything else. Accidents happen, but it is your responsibility to try and reduce them to a minimum. So try applying advice I gave in my post - it worked for me, it should work for you.

 

Also, I never said that you are playing a torpedo cruiser. Again:

2 hours ago, Pukovnik7 said:

In response to another post, I have to note that I have only gotten torpedoed by a friendly player maybe once. I also torpedoed friendly players maybe once or twice back when I first started playing. It is something excusable if you are only getting used to torpedo cruisers, but you have over 7k battles so I really don't understand what is the problem.

I was talking about my own experience. Light cruiser was the first ship with torpedoes I received, and I assume it is the first ship with torpedoes in any tech tree. In other words, you can be excused for accidentally torpedoing an ally a few times while you are still getting used to using torpedoes (though even then, a penalty for conduct is appropriate to encourage learning). But if you already have thousands of battles under your belt, and you still torpedo allies by accident... then it means you should probably stop using torpedo-equipped ships and switch to gunslinging.

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

13 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

 

I was talking about my own experience.

Gotcha.

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 But if you already have thousands of battles under your belt, and you still torpedo allies by accident... 

Well I can count my team kills by two hands - out of 7k games that´s ok if you ask me. Anyway i understand what you are saying.

[That_Other_Nid]

On 5/1/2018 at 12:25 AM, Spartican93 said:

 My issue is that i fired torpedos in the opposite direction of a friendly and then watched him turn and chase the torpedos, even crashing into an island just so that i would get team damage. 

 

Nope. you would have had to have launched from way beyond him to allow enough time for him to turn around and run into them. He can't ear them at that range and they aren;t visible on the minimap so he would have needed to be actively looking behind himself to see the torpedoes and react. 

 

The reality is he was responding to something you can't see and got clobbered by your torpedoes by accident. Still your fault and the pink is where it should be. And you won't get banned for that. I've been pink 9 times in a month and twice in the same day without more than a 9 game pink penalty.

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

24 minutes ago, That_Other_Nid said:

And you won't get banned for that. I've been pink 9 times in a month and twice in the same day without more than a 9 game pink penalty.

Doubt. First time in a month or so beeing pink - wasnt even pink when I dealt damage to that guy as mentioned in my first post and that ticket got me booted already.  Here we are - once pink after TK and banned for 3 days after i got banned 6 days ago for 2 days.

As some already mentioned - TK or team damage must have high impact on another game ban after a recent game ban.

I know a few guys who are weekly pink and have never faced game bans so far - so i believe what you said about yourself.

[Sunleader]

On 4/30/2018 at 4:25 PM, Spartican93 said:

I'm a relatively new player. Played this in closed alpha for a couple hundred games and then played on release on a different account. I was an average player at best but now im back on a new account and im doing pretty well in my opinion. My only issue is the dreaded "Pink name". Now i know people reading this are expecting to see a "I fired torps close to a friendly and he turned into them" but that isnt the case. I understand that as soon as i send my torps, if i hit a friendly, then thats on me, im fine with that. My issue is that i fired torpedos in the opposite direction of a friendly and then watched him turn and chase the torpedos, even crashing into an island just so that i would get team damage. I'm now pink name because of this and am worried that if this was to happen once or twice more im going to get banned because someone likes the idea of chasing down green torps. I'm all for the team damage mechanic and the reflection of damage, But surely there is another way to deal with this, granted, i dont have any ideas as to what though. It'd be interesting to know what other people think/ have seen.

TL;DR - : Friendly purposefully chased my torps and im now pink name because of it.

Side note: I'm sorry if this is the wrong section, tbh i didnt really know where to post this.

 

Dont bother.

The Community in this Game is about as Openminded as a 3 Meter Thick Wall of Concrete.

 

And their Opinion is. The moment you do Damage to a Teammate. You are at Fault. End of Story.

Circumstances or Intentions are Irrelevant.

In Reality if you have a Traffic Accident because some Guy Suddenly Decided to Jump in Front of your Car. You wont be at Fault.

But in this Game when someone makes every Effort to Somehow Catch your Torps even if that Exposes him to Enemy Fire and even if he beforehand was Driving into an entirely Different Direction.

It is apparently your Fault. Not because that makes sense or is reasonable or something.

But because thats just how this Hardheaded Community has Decided it is because they are too Lazy to Sort out the Cases where someone actually isnt at Fault.

You know. Pitchforks and Torches are just Easier than Case by Case Judgement.

 

 

On top of that. Without even bothering to read the Comments you got so far. I can already Bet that alot of the Guys here will tell you. To just not Torp from the Second Line.

Which of course is Ridiculous and Completely unhelpful. Because that would Basicly mean the only Time you are Allowed to Torp is when you are at the Foremost Front of the Team where Literally everyone else is behind you and thus Nobody could possibly manage to go after your Torps.

So you got a Second DD going for a Cap Brawl and your a Torp DD who cant Brawl. Well tough Luck. Pls be Completely useless and Sit in the Rear because you should never Torp Second Line. After all that Brawling DD might Change Direction and Catch your Torps.

 

 

 

But if you care for my Advice. You can Ignore all of these Guys.

Because you See. When you Complain about being Pink. The answer you get. Is that being Shamed by being Pink isnt an Actual Punishment anyways.

 

 

Well guess what. If being Pink is no Punishment. Then apparently Hitting Friendlies which catch your Torps on Purpose or because they are ****** is not actually a Bad thing.

You dont get Punished for it after all.

 

So the Simple Answer is.

Just use your Torps as you See Fit.

Of course you should not Drop Torps at Teammates on Purpose. And you should not Drop Torps in a way that they will Block or Hit Teammates which are just behaving Normally.

But dont bother to avoid using your Torps just because someone might decide to do an 180 Degree turn and Show Broadside to the Enemy just to somehow get your Torps.

If someone Does. Ignore it. Just keep Playing.

2 Games Later your White again. No matter.

Some People are Stupid ****** thats all there is to it. No use bothering with it.

And unless you Teamkilled on Purpose. Wargaming wont actually take any Measures beyond the Automatic System either. Which means you dont need to Worry about any Worse Sanctions.

Absolutely worst Case is if you really get Unlucky enough to have such ***** twice in a Row or something is that you have to Play some Coop Games.

 

So just Enjoy the Game and Torp away without Bothering.

The System wont be Changed and People wont stop being ***** so nothing you can accomplish on that front anyways.

And if the Community is too Stubborn to Push for a Proper System. Well then the Simplest way is to just Ignore that the System Exists and thus Play in exactly the way which they didnt want you to Play.

Simple as that. :)

 

 

On 4/30/2018 at 5:01 PM, ColonelPete said:

Here were go again...

 

Even the slowest ship torpedos are much faster than the fastest ship. NO ship in this game can chase and catch torpedos.

If your torpedos hit a friendly, he was before you.

 

Factually Wrong.

Because the Italian Cruiser Amalfi for example has 51 Knots Torpedoes and the French DD Mogadur as well as Kleber can reach over 52 Knots when using their Engine Boost.

 

But thats not as Importand.

The Case is usually not that a Ship that is far behind you Somehow Manages to Follow your Torpedoes. That is Incredible Rare. Albeit that has Happened.....

The Case is usually this.

 

 

You are Driving slightly behind and Parallel to an Allied Ship. That Ship is going into the Same Direction as you.

You Drop your Fairly Slow Long Range Torpedoes towards the Enemy Fleet.

Now your Ally. Seeing that. Decides to make a 180 Degree Turn Curving into Enemy Direction. So he can Catch the Torpedoes which you Dropped in a Way that if he had been Maneuvering Reasonable. Would never have Possibly Hit him.

 

Hilarious is. When this is done by Cruisers or DDs which are then Spotted by the Enemy and get Deleted because they of course got Closer to the Enemy by Intercepting your Torpedoes and got Spotted in an Extremely Unfavorable Position.

Especially when they get Deleted before they manage to get to your Torps.

 

But in General this is Unfortunately within the Extends to which some People go in Order to Catch Friendly Torps.

 

 

 

Not that this Matters.

We already had this Discussion a Hundred Times. And you Guys Follow this Idea that no matter the Circumstances it is always the Shooters Fault. Like it was some sort of Religion.

So I have long Giving up Convincing you to be Reasonable.

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

17 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

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We already had this Discussion a Hundred Times...

This discussion actually changed the moment i popped up (necrothread - first page my post from yesterday) and showed that you can get 3 days game banned for a single torpedo teamkill that wasn´t on purpose while getting no official response - some agree on that a game bans for team damage (in my case first game ban ever - on purpose and deserved) will trigger a super fast ban again if you do "anything similar" (accident or not) after a few days - in this case it took only 2 after 15-20 games or so.  

[Sunleader]

58 minutes ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

Doubt. First time in a month or so beeing pink - wasnt even pink when I dealt damage to that guy as mentioned in my first post and that ticket got me booted already.  Here we are - once pink after TK and banned for 3 days after i got banned 6 days ago for 2 days.

As some already mentioned - TK or team damage must have high impact on another game ban after a recent game ban.

I know a few guys who are weekly pink and have never faced game bans so far - so i believe what you said about yourself.

 

 

The Automatic System usually Turns you Pink if your Teamdamage exceeds a certain Threshold.

Once that Happens. Damage from the Teamkiller will be Mirrored Back at him for most Part. Thus there being little Effect on the Victim.

 

If you Continue to Damage Teammates while being Pink. The Number of Battles you need to Play Pink and the Percentage of Mirrored Damage will be Increased.

 

if you Continue after that. You will Turn Orange (only in Port. You are still shown Pink to others)

At this Point you will be Blocked from Random Battles. Meaning you have to Play Coop Battles.

 

Again if you Contineue the Number of Coop Battles to Play will be Increased.

 

Should you after all this. Still decide to Continue Damaging Teammates. You can end up with a Ban from the Game.

 

If you come Back and still within the Penalty just go right at it again. You may Receive a Bigger Ban.

 

 

These Bans are usually Short tough.

I am not Sure how far the Automatic System Goes. But I would assume that after a Certain Point Customer Support is Informed to Check.

But I never got that Far. So I got no Idea.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

This discussion actually changed the moment i popped up and showed that you can get 3 days game banned for a single torpedo teamkill that wasn´t on purpose while getting no official response - some agree on that a game ban for team damage will trigger a super fast ban again if you do anything similar after a few days.  

 

If you got a 3 Day Ban for a Single Torpedo Hit. With no Prior Penalties. Then I dont think that was the Automatic System.

It more likely was a Support Ticket.

 

Unless of course. You just came back from a Ban and thus the Thresholds were still Applied to you.

Dont Forget. Thresholds for Teamdamage are only Removed by Playing the Game without doing Teamdamage.

If your Banned and thus dont Play. They wont be Removed.

Meaning if you Come back your not Clean. Your just back to the Point of being just Short of a Ban. 

 

 

If you had no Prior Penalties etc. Then it was likely someone Filing a Complaint on Customer Support.

This is Possible in Special Cases of Unsportsmanlike behavior.

 

For example.

I once had a Game where an Allied Destroyer was AFK. I expected him to move. And since he didnt. I ended up Pushing his Ship forward a bit when I passed him.

He was so Angry at that. That he Dumped a Load of Torpedoes into me from Point Blank Range. And then Proceeded to Drive into the Map Border behind our Teams Respawn Area where he Remained until the Enemy Team arrived there to Kill him.

Which so far was the only Case where I ever bothered doing a Manual Report to Customer Support.

 

But that kind of Behavior of course could possibly have Consequences outside the Automatic System.

 

[GermanBoomercaustEnjoyer]

47 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

You will Turn Orange (only in Port. You are still shown Pink to others)

At this Point you will be Blocked from Random Battles. Meaning you have to Play Coop Battles.

In my nearly 8k battles i got orange maybe 1 max twice (not even sure that i was twice orange but since i cant tell that to 100% i stick to that. 

I am definitely not an angel in regards of "pinky bois" but i can say that i am not one of them that gets pink every week or even every month - once in a while - sure and i wont deny that.

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If you got a 3 Day Ban for a Single Torpedo Hit. With no Prior Penalties. Then I dont think that was the Automatic System.

It more likely was a Support Ticket.

The new/fresh (26.1.2021) ban can only be from the match i posted the replay from - it was the 1-2k Jaguar that died by a single torp of mine - chased by the enemy team etc - no reason to bring up again whos fault it was beside me trying to win the game by killing that BB that i was focusing - anyway - since after my ban from the 21st or so i played as mentioned 30 games - and well only in this single game anything team damage related happened so it can only be for this match in terms of getting an ticket - otherwise it had stayed with the 2 games pink afterwards where nothing happened again in terms of team damage/kills.

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Unless of course. You just came back from a Ban and thus the Thresholds were still Applied to you.

Wasn´t pink when i came back from the first ban (unbanned last saturday).

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Meaning if you Come back your not Clean. Your just back to the Point of being just Short of a Ban. 

You mean the damage that WGs team damage allows in a week in terms of their automated system or what exactly do you mean?

 

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This is Possible in Special Cases of Unsportsmanlike behavior.

Was the case for the ban on the 21st since my clan mate did the same and got for causing more dmg a 5 day game ban. Again he was pink for 2 games after that match and he didn´t do any team damage whatsoever after that specific match.

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For example.

I once had a Game...

Which so far was the only Case where I ever bothered doing a Manual Report to Customer Support.

Well i got my first ever game ban (21.01.2021) for something else - player spawned closest to A cap - team was pissed with him going to C - friend shot him and he lost 70% of his hp - after that he denied playing the game at all and told others to report my friend who did the damage to him - guy went behind the carrier and on purpose didnt shoot nor moved that game - last minute or so with less then 100 points left i shot him and did like 1k damage or so (was a stupid thing to do). Next day we got greeted by 2 and 5 days game ban and well the ticket ( you can guess the automated reply from WG support) that we wrote to get a punishment for the player that on purpose denied playing well that guy got not even a game ban nor chat ban. 

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But that kind of Behavior of course could possibly have Consequences outside the Automatic System.

 

Well it seems that after i had my ban and being unlucky as i was team killing a low hp DD (replay was posted here) so shortly after the first ban it must have had a huge impact in terms of getting after 2 days again a ban for 3 days.

Again i revived this thread to get actual official answers on why support replied to me with automated replies, why i havent gotten an mail from wg telling me that i got banned again, wg support not looking into my replay and telling me that you cant appeal bans that went against unsportsman conduct (while there is the ticket option to appeal a ticket in the first place for exactly unsportman conduct breaking) - while getting 3 days ban for a single TK that wasn´t on purpose and anyone who had watched that replay would had said that torping that moment was wrong but not worth 3 days of game ban.

Some here called me out for asking WG how much a player is allowed to deal damage towards others after they received a ban but then again thats an assumption of me or others abusing this then - be real - i spend enough money into this game and clearly DONT want to get a game ban again - here we are tho - one torp accident later with 3 days game ban and 6 automated replies from support - not even an mail notification for the game ban.

 

I be honest - i am very surprised how players here responded with "anyone who torps is responsible for where the torpedo ends" and in general "team damage" (on purpose or not). Every 5th game i see at least one or two players in either team breaking the unsportsman conduct and do i bother reporting them for their actions? No. This clearly tho changed after i read some replies here. WG automatic ticket replies opened my eyes and teached me to report every single player that goes against any of the rules they made their system for - since well i clearly learned it the hardway myself that they sometimes don´t look into the cases - otherwise i would not be game banned for 3 days now. Two days ago my div mate got shot at by a player who was toxic towards him for not going where he wanted him to go ( i know which irony if you dont forget my first ban) - did my div mate parked his shima after that in the map corner? No. Did we write a ticket for that player? No. Will we do this from now on after i got banned for my latest ban? Hell yes till WG works on their support system in regards of game bans.

[That_Other_Nid]

25 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

Unless of course. You just came back from a Ban and thus the Thresholds were still Applied to you.

Dont Forget. Thresholds for Teamdamage are only Removed by Playing the Game without doing Teamdamage.

If your Banned and thus dont Play. They wont be Removed.

Meaning if you Come back your not Clean. Your just back to the Point of being just Short of a Ban. 

 

 

I don't think so. The threshold is very lenient since the change that reduced team damage. I've had collisions while pink and famously a torpedo hit that did a few k damage that did not effect the game counting towards losing my pink status. 3 day bans would need to be manual. 

[Sunleader]

24 minutes ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

In my nearly 8k battles i got orange maybe 1 max twice (not even sure that i was twice orange but since i cant tell that to 100% i stick to that. 

I am definitely not an angel in regards of "pinky bois" but i can say that i am not one of them that gets pink every week or even every month - once in a while - sure and i wont deny that.

The new/fresh (26.1.2021) ban can only be from the match i posted the replay from - it was the 1-2k Jaguar that died by a single torp of mine - chased by the enemy team etc - no reason to bring up again whos fault it was beside me trying to win the game by killing that BB that i was focusing - anyway - since after my ban from the 21st or so i played as mentioned 30 games - and well only in this single game anything team damage related happened so it can only be for this match in terms of getting an ticket - otherwise it had stayed with the 2 games pink afterwards where nothing happened again in terms of team damage/kills.

Wasn´t pink when i came back from the first ban (unbanned last saturday).

You mean the damage that WGs team damage allows in a week in terms of their automated system or what exactly do you mean?

 

Was the case for the ban on the 21st since my clan mate did the same and got for causing more dmg a 5 day game ban. Again he was pink for 2 games after that match and he didn´t do any team damage whatsoever after that specific match.

Well i got my first ever game ban (21.01.2021) for something else - player spawned closest to A cap - team was pissed with him going to C - friend shot him and he lost 70% of his hp - after that he denied playing the game at all and told others to report my friend who did the damage to him - guy went behind the carrier and on purpose didnt shoot nor moved that game - last minute or so with less then 100 points left i shot him and did like 1k damage or so (was a stupid thing to do). Next day we got greeted by 2 and 5 days game ban and well the ticket ( you can guess the automated reply from WG support) that we wrote to get a punishment for the player that on purpose denied playing well that guy got not even a game ban nor chat ban. 

Well it seems that after i had my ban and being unlucky as i was team killing a low hp DD (replay was posted here) so shortly after the first ban it must have had a huge impact in terms of getting after 2 days again a ban for 3 days.

Again i revived this thread to get actual official answers on why support replied to me with automated replies, why i havent gotten an mail from wg telling me that i got banned again, wg support not looking into my replay and telling me that you cant appeal bans that went against unsportsman conduct (while there is the ticket option to appeal a ticket in the first place for exactly unsportman conduct breaking) - while getting 3 days ban for a single TK that wasn´t on purpose and anyone who had watched that replay would had said that torping that moment was wrong but not worth 3 days of game ban.

Some here called me out for asking WG how much a player is allowed to deal damage towards others after they received a ban but then again thats an assumption of me or others abusing this then - be real - i spend enough money into this game and clearly DONT want to get a game ban again - here we are tho - one torp accident later with 3 days game ban and 6 automated replies from support - not even an mail notification for the game ban.

 

I be honest - i am very surprised how players here responded with "anyone who torps is responsible for where the torpedo ends" and in general team damage. Every 5th game i see at least one or two players in either team breaking the unsportsman conduct and do i bother reporting them for their actions? No. This clearly tho changed after i read some replies here. WG automatic ticket replies opened my eyes and teached me to report every single player that goes against any of the rules they made their system for - since well i clearly learned it the hardway myself that they sometimes don´t look into the cases - otherwise i would not be game banned for 3 days now.

 

23 minutes ago, That_Other_Nid said:

 

I don't think so. The threshold is very lenient since the change that reduced team damage. I've had collisions while pink and famously a torpedo hit that did a few k damage that did not effect the game counting towards losing my pink status. 3 day bans would need to be manual. 

 

 

1.

Thats Fine. I am not a Holy Man either.

I am not gonna Hit Allies on Purpose or Throw Ordnance when Allies are in the Dangerzone and thus might be Blocked or Hit by it.

However.

I dont pay Attention to Allies that might somehow manage to Catch my Torps.

So I will Torps from Second and even Third Line. I will Fire into Close Quarter Battles etc etc.

 

And Generally this wont really make any Problems.

 

2.

Yes.

If you Played 30 Games in the Meantime. Then its fairly Certain that this was from a Support Ticket.

Dont Forget. The Support is Humans. If you are someone with a Record of being Banned Lately. And they See that you Teamkilled someone.

They may not be Inclined to do a Proper and Long Check of what has Happened.

Instead they will likely just Assume that you havnt Learned the Lesson and will give an Immediate Bigger Punishment.

 

3+4

Offences even if they are not enough to Cause a Punishment are Recorded.

I think the Wiki said something about 10k Teamdamage within the last 1 Million Damage on Enemies or something.

However. Even if you are not Pink. And dont have Sanctions Applied right now.

Any Offences will be Tracked in the Background.

And thus may Result in a Penalty once you Reach the Threshold again.

 

You said you Played 30 Games in between. So that should not be the Case in your Example.

After 30 Games you should have Cleaned most of that Threshold.

 

5.

There is alot of Instances that can Count as Unsportsmanlike behavior.

Repeatedly Ramming and Blocking Allies.

Leaving Battles early. Just being AFK in the Battle. Giving Information to the Enemy Team in Public Chat. Playing Passively (aka just hiding behind some Island or the Map Border for the entire Match)

Or also Extreme Cases of on Purpose Teamkilling. Where is Obvious that its not an Accident.

And some other more Specific Cases.

 

What exactly might have lead to the Ban of your Clanmate is of course not Possible to Say without knowing the Entire Story.

 

6.

That was Pretty much Guaranteed a Manual Ban. Not an Automated System.

Since you were Likely in a Division that made it even Worse. Because the Support will consider that as a Coordinated Action.

 

Of Course. Once you did that. Support is not Gonna Listen to You.

They Watch the Replay. The Case is Clear.

In this case you Also Shot yourself in the Foot. Of course if the Guy lost 70% HP he wont be Inclined to go Forward. He is Low HP. So in Doubt WG will Assume he simply tried to Save Points by not being Killed.

Thats a Valid enough Excuse for Passive Play. Especially if you lost these HP to Teamattacks after you went forward to a Cap Point.

 

Also be Aware. A Single First Time Offense will Rarely cause any kind of Response and especially not Sanctions.

Even less when under such Special Circumstances.

So as this Player likely had no other Offences in earlier or later Games where he Played Passively. You can assume WG would just led it Slide even if they Looked at it.

 

7.

Ha. I just Noticed I fell for a Necro then xD

I didnt Realize that till now.

God I need to go into Bed xD

 

 

To Answer your Statement there

That wont do you any Good.

 

The General Opinion is as Stated in my other Post. That wont Change.

And Wargaming Support does not even Accept Appeals on Punishments for Unsportsmanlike behavior.

The Official Stance is that you own Torpedoes and thus are Responsible for whatever happens after you Fire them.

Thats not a Joke. Thats their Official Stance on that.

As such Punishments to this CANNOT BE APPEALED by Support.

 

You wont get any Favorable Answers in the Forum either.

Just try to Play Clean for a while to Avoid Attention.

And after that Play Normally. Not doing Stupid stuff like TKing on Purpose again.

 

In General. The System is Extremely Lenient. So as long as your not doing things on Purpose. You will usually not see any Real Consequences beyond being Pink.

But of course. If you already got a Recent Record. And thus any Support Member that Opens a Ticket with your Name. Immediately Sees that History.

His Inclination towards you will be Really Negative. Making a Punishment for any further Misconduct more Likely. Even if that Further Misconduct this time was really just by Accident.

 

 

Greetz.

[ColonelPete]

3 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Factually Wrong.

 

Because the Italian Cruiser Amalfi for example has 51 Knots Torpedoes and the French DD Mogadur as well as Kleber can reach over 52 Knots when using their Engine Boost.

If you had paid attention, you would have noticed the date...

... and that you are second one doing the same mistake in a few hours.

[MrConway]

15 hours ago, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

I have been torped countless times by friendly players since I play the game, I got team killed on purpose/by accident but I never thought about going that far to actually consider writing an ticket for any of these players. If WG thinks this the correct way of using an "automated" system then me and everyone I know will in the futur write a ticket the moment they "similar" things in their matches. This is clearly showing what a lot of members of this forum mentioned countless times  - support is indeed not looking always into ticket cases and actually do what they write in their automated replies cause this is FAR from "careful investigation". Here we are - 3 days ban for this is making me wanna quit the game if I have to fear that anyone that drives into me, stands infront of me or drives into torps in the futur could mean another ban.

  

 

 

Firstly, why the hell are we necroing 3 year old threads to complain about game bans -.-

 

Secondly, your ban is not connected at all to this teamkill incident, we also take a very dim view of people abusing the in-game communication system by annoying other players with notification spam.

 

As others have pointed out, this was not an automated ban, we do not automate game bans in general.

 

If you need more details, please feel free to PM me.

 

Thread closed.