Which dds now may play like UK dds later?

[creamgravy]

21 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Ok i was just going by Wiki.. Says 30 knots there

Technically it's 34.75 knots. No idea why they have full load speed on Wiki, very confusing. It'll be similar to Gallant or Gadja Mada in game (nippy to 30, a bit slow after that)

 

Shame it doesn't have Gadja Mada firing arcs.

[DagoPiastun]

4 hours ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Well, we already have a few RN DD's in game. I suppose they might give a pretty good idea? vampire, Campbeltown, Gallant, Cossack. AND before anyone says it - Yes, I know Vampire is officially supposed to be Commonwealth but come on...

Just to clarified HMS Campbeltown  was  actually  US Navy destroyer USS Buchanan 

[RAHJAILARI]

Just now, DagoPiastun said:

Just to clarified HMS Campbeltown  was  actually  US Navy destroyer USS Buchanan 

Yupyup, one of the Wickes class lend-lease thingys. However, since they were so numerous I would not be surprised to see them included in the tech tree somewhere.

[creamgravy]

 

2 minutes ago, stinkmorchel said:

2016 i was i Sydney , visited the HMAS Vampire - WG, bring on the Daring class as T10.

Timeframe ??? Kutusow or Chabarowsk anyone

 

And an L Class with 8x 4" guns (HMS Legion as example) , a british Akizuki, as premium .

 

 

The 4" L-class has wonky (rushed) turret placement, crazy forward arcs for 6 guns though (+- 10 degrees?) I'm looking forward to the 62 pounder! GM on roids.

 

 

[stinkmorchel]

my selestion as techtree would be like:

T10 Daring class

T9 L/M class (heavier Shells)

T8 J/K/N class

T7 Tribal (with only 3 mainturrets - as the premium Cossack now will get 4)

T6 Flotillaleader with 5 guns, Inglewood (10 torps) or Hardy (8 torps)

T5 J (10torps) or H (8 torps) class , 4 guns

T4-2 there is so a lot to choce from...............................

 

GM is T7, J/K/N is T8 here ..... perhaps more HP (in original Hands, better maintenance) und with 10km torps, single launch possible

 

As premiums:

T8 the above mentioned 4" L class (with 8 torps)

T9 (perhaps as free EXP) the Battle class , it would not fit in the normal techtree IMHO

 

all the WarEmergency classes dont fit into the gamemeta TBH.

[T0byJug]

30 minutes ago, RAHJAILARI said:

Yupyup, one of the Wickes class lend-lease thingys. However, since they were so numerous I would not be surprised to see them included in the tech tree somewhere.

Hope not.. The Wickes class DDs were built between 1917 and 1921 During this time the RN was building 15 different classes of DD. I think we have enough of our own. and as for numerous  the S class alone had 67 DDs..

 

Also the RN got the Wickes boats  in 1940s game time thats around tier 7.. We got the Cambeltown as a quick fix to give the Brits an early DD with little or no Dev time

[VC381]

Why is everyone bumping J/K/N to T8? Sure GM is strong but normal torps won't make her too OP for T7.

[creamgravy]

25 minutes ago, VC381 said:

Why is everyone bumping J/K/N to T8? Sure GM is strong but normal torps won't make her too OP for T7.

 

GM smashes tier balance and progression into the dirt. It's funny OP at tier 7, more so than OG Kiev. You can whoop most tier 8 destroyers, even without the concealment module. I'd swap it with the Pan Asian tier 8 (balance it like Sims)

WEP have the the same 360 X turret and features of GM but are much better suited for tier 7, they compare well with Shirasuyu/Sims (guns + torpedoes) and are a nice upgrade over the interwar DDs (Gallant) at tier 6.

[Capra76]

22 hours ago, VC381 said:

Hmm....

 

I like the tier plan but I feel the wartime classes are really squeezed out. I would prefer an O/P/Q at T6 or 7 (can be balanced at either depending on setup) or the wartime S through Z and C classes. Actually I can see those as T8s, maybe even T9s, since they're roughly Benson/Fletcher size and configuration. HMS Cavalier is also an obvious premium for the latter as she's a museum.

O & P have problems, either 4" guns or 1 x 4 torpedoes on the 4.7" ships.  Q would work being pretty much the same config as the Gallant with extra AA, I'm not sure I'd want her moved up to T7 though.

 

S through Z I think are undergunned for higher tiers, the same 4 x 4.7" guns that Gallant has at T6 would struggle against Kagero at T8, god help you against Benson etc. 

 

C might be an option at T8, although the quad torpdedo tubes might be a bit odd if you had pentad tubes at T7, so I think you'd have to go for L/M there and maybe go for a quad version of Battle at T9 as well.  Also I don't see how 4 x 4.5" guns is going to be an upgrade from the 6 x 4.7" you'd have at T7.

 

 

22 hours ago, T0byJug said:

We will find out soon with the new IJN DDs with 100mm guns. What ever they do with them should  work ok. with 113mm guns

They didn't do anything special for Akizuki, so I doubt they'll do anything for the new T9/10 IJN.

 

The difference is that the Akizuki gets insane DPM compared to the earlier ships, so making IFHE mandatory is perhaps fair enough, but I don't see how the 4.5" guns are going to be enough of an upgrade over the 4.7 to justify her losing 4 captain skill points.

 

18 hours ago, creamgravy said:

WEP have the the same 360 X turret and features of GM but are much better suited for tier 7, they compare well with Shirasuyu/Sims (guns + torpedoes) and are a nice upgrade over the interwar DDs (Gallant) at tier 6.

 

The Weapon class only has 4" guns, to bring that into T7 you'd need to rework T5/6 so they're 4" as well or forget about WG's calibre progression rule.

[creamgravy]

1 hour ago, Capra76 said:

 

The Weapon class only has 4" guns, to bring that into T7 you'd need to rework T5/6 so they're 4" as well or forget about WG's calibre progression rule.

Sorry, should've clarified. WEP = War Emergency Program destroyers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Emergency_Programme_destroyers

Typically an improved Gadja Mada hull with 4 x 114mm or 120mm guns, 2x4 torpedoes and better AA (they're DP guns but WG might not include them due to elevation)

 

A perfectly balanced tier 7 torpedo boat hybrid to compete with Poi and Sims, lots of premium candidates too (Cavalier, Saumarez, Stord, Virago, Savage etc)

[VC381]

39 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

O & P have problems, either 4" guns or 1 x 4 torpedoes on the 4.7" ships.  Q would work being pretty much the same config as the Gallant with extra AA, I'm not sure I'd want her moved up to T7 though.

 

S through Z I think are undergunned for higher tiers, the same 4 x 4.7" guns that Gallant has at T6 would struggle against Kagero at T8, god help you against Benson etc. 

 

C might be an option at T8, although the quad torpdedo tubes might be a bit odd if you had pentad tubes at T7, so I think you'd have to go for L/M there and maybe go for a quad version of Battle at T9 as well.  Also I don't see how 4 x 4.5" guns is going to be an upgrade from the 6 x 4.7" you'd have at T7.

 

Hmm, yes OK. DDs have more balancing handles than most classes though, improve concealment, up the rate of fire or the torp power and suddenly having fewer guns or tubes doesn't matter. If you look at displacement they are about the same as Fletcher.

 

I just really like those classes. I think that's what creamgravy means when he says WEP BTW. Not Weapon class, but "War Emergency Production" so basically everything from O through Z plus the Cs.

[AnchorChains]

4 hours ago, T0byJug said:

You have bloody good guns to make up for it

Good to know.  Thank you.

 

Lot's of great information here.  Thank you everyone. 

 

I was going to try to stick with the trees and the Cossack does have my attention when I finally work my way to its tier and it gets released.   Not sure about the tier six Gallant though.  From what I can tell from reading, tier seven seems to be a better tier ( sweet spot ).  Might just be able to get one premium,  will have to wait and see down the road.

 

Thanks again for the information everyone.

[T0byJug]

29 minutes ago, AnchorChains said:

Good to know.  Thank you.

 

Lot's of great information here.  Thank you everyone. 

 

I was going to try to stick with the trees and the Cossack does have my attention when I finally work my way to its tier and it gets released.   Not sure about the tier six Gallant though.  From what I can tell from reading, tier seven seems to be a better tier ( sweet spot ).  Might just be able to get one premium,  will have to wait and see down the road.

 

Thanks again for the information everyone.

I like the Gallant a lot...BUT

 

Im a dedicated DD player and as I Brit if it has a White Ensign and/or British built ..... IM SOLD

[Capra76]

56 minutes ago, VC381 said:

Hmm, yes OK. DDs have more balancing handles than most classes though, improve concealment, up the rate of fire or the torp power and suddenly having fewer guns or tubes doesn't matter. If you look at displacement they are about the same as Fletcher.

 

The problem is that WG tries to be historically correct about guns and the RN 4"/4.7" ones weren't anything special so any 4 x 1 design is going to be hopelessly outgunned at higher tiers.

 

The only way those ships could be balanced at higher tiers is by turning them into supreme torpedo-boats, and I doubt WG would want to do that.

[Tuccy]

A lot of interesting ideas here, in the end the British designs could easily allow for a lot of different styles - all-rounders? Gunboats? Heck, even AA specialists? Name it, RN had it :)

[creamgravy]

1 hour ago, Tuccy said:

A lot of interesting ideas here, in the end the British designs could easily allow for a lot of different styles - all-rounders? Gunboats? Heck, even AA specialists? Name it, RN had it :)

 

 

Give us a clue then, they should be announced in the next few months.

 

[FionnMacC]

Maybe a mixture of @mr3awsome's RN DD lines RN DDs: The End & @Trainspite's DD trees from his Royal Navy Tech Tree Proposal. 
Some great ships to choose from, although @creamgravy's speculative branches look good; personally I'd swap the 1917 S-class for the Modified W class. 

[159Hunter]

11 hours ago, Tuccy said:

A lot of interesting ideas here, in the end the British designs could easily allow for a lot of different styles - all-rounders? Gunboats? Heck, even AA specialists? Name it, RN had it :)

Year of CV confirmed 

 

Jokes aside, I hope it'll be a coherent line. Not one where you need to respec captains every two tiers cause, different style.

[creamgravy]

10 hours ago, Andy_Foulds said:

personally I'd swap the 1917 S-class for the Modified W class. 

 

Modified W have the same loadout as Amazon/Ambuscade. They'll make a good tier 4 destroyer leader or tier 5 torpedo boat? The transition from 4x120mm BL to 5x120mm BL on 'Jianwei' (my new fav destroyer) is nice and smooth.

But your right about the S-Class, maybe a stock V-Class would be more suitable agasint the current group (Vampire with 2x3 torpedoes)

 

Fleet destroyers.

Tier 2: Laforey class.

Tier 3: R class.

Tier 4: V Class.

Tier 5: Amazon/Ambuscade.

Tier 6: Interwar.

Tier 7: WEP.

Tier 8: J/K/N Class.

Tier 9: Battle.

Tier 10: Daring.

 

Destroyer leaders.

Tier 2: Talisman class leader.

Tier 3: Parker class leader.

Tier 4: Modified W class.

Tier 5: Admiralty class leader.

Tier 6: Interwar leader.

Tier 7: Tribal.

Tier 8: L/M Class.

Tier 9: V leader design. 

Tier 10: L.72 design.

 

Support destroyers.

 

Tier 2: NA

Tier 3: NA

Tier 4: NA

Tier 5: WAIR (keeps torpedoes)

Tier 6: O-class (Mk XIX refit)

Tier 7: P-class (Mk XIX RP 51 refit)

Tier 8: Weapon

Tier 9: 1944 Battle (Australian)

Tier 10: 1950 Battle (Nueva Esparta or Design. Better forward arcs than GM with 20 RPM guns. It'll roast Gearing/Daring for breakfast.)

[ajb13]

I only keep 'real' ships and not 'blueprint' ships, so I'm hoping this line will have a T10 for me, a real ship that suits my playstyle.

[VC381]

14 hours ago, Capra76 said:

 

The problem is that WG tries to be historically correct about guns and the RN 4"/4.7" ones weren't anything special so any 4 x 1 design is going to be hopelessly outgunned at higher tiers.

 

The only way those ships could be balanced at higher tiers is by turning them into supreme torpedo-boats, and I doubt WG would want to do that.

 

OK maybe not T9 but at T8 C-hull Benson, Lo Yang and Ognevoi are 4-gun ships with about 5 sec reload and are not dedicated torpedo boats. I guess it depends a bit on consumable setup and other things but it can be done. The only inconsistency might be number of guns decreasing, if they do J/K/N at T7 as counterparts to GM. But the late war 4.5" should have faster traverse as well.

 

But yeah, we have tons of choice so it depends on the "theme" of the line. I guess they don't want to waste a 3D model so likely we will have J/K/N, then M class might be a more logical progression.

 

14 minutes ago, ajb13 said:

I only keep 'real' ships and not 'blueprint' ships, so I'm hoping this line will have a T10 for me, a real ship that suits my playstyle.

 

On the one hand, destroyers are by far the best represented in terms of real ships that fit the game's power level at T10. On the other hand, WG could just randomly decide those designs don't fit their theme.

[creamgravy]

You can easily put the C-class at tier 8.

Cavalier can pump out 14 RPM and could have 20 deg per second turret rotation. Add the 360 degree X turret and you'll always have 3 guns on target whilst dodging stuff bow on by +-24 degrees(?) That's even better than 5 gun Mahan/Benson. I'd prefer 2x4 IX** torpedoes over the 2x5 55 knot jobbies Benson and Ognavoi get too. By some margin.

 

...but J/K/N is soooo much better with 2x5 torpedoes and 6 barrels with +-26 degrees forward arcs. HOW IS THIS TIER 7????? HOW??????? Why do WG always put OP RN ships a tier 7? We don't need anymore ffs, tier 7 is fully colonised.

[VC381]

56 minutes ago, creamgravy said:

...but J/K/N is soooo much better with 2x5 torpedoes and 6 barrels with +-26 degrees forward arcs. HOW IS THIS TIER 7????? HOW??????? Why do WG always put OP RN ships a tier 7? We don't need anymore ffs, tier 7 is fully colonised.

 

The Colony class cruiser is definitely doing that (see what I did there?) but KGV is disappointing.

 

Ooooh I know, how about HMS Cavalier as a premium, in her post-war and museum ship fit. Only 3 turrets and no torps? No problem, make her T7 with smoke, radar, hydro, "Hood on steroids" DefAA (for the missiles), all on separate consumable slots, and access to the T8 upgrade. What could possibly go wrong?

 

I'll show myself out...

[Trainspite]

20 hours ago, creamgravy said:

 

 

Support destroyers.

 

Tier 2: NA

Tier 3: NA

Tier 4: NA

Tier 5: WAIR (keeps torpedoes)

Tier 6: O-class (Mk XIX refit)

Tier 7: P-class (Mk XIX RP 51 refit)

Tier 8: Weapon

Tier 9: 1944 Battle (Australian)

Tier 10: 1950 Battle (Nueva Esparta or Design. Better forward arcs than GM with 20 RPM guns. It'll roast Gearing/Daring for breakfast.)

Perhaps you could use the Hunts as lower tier 'support' destroyers. With the AA firepower on them, they could be nice little escort boats that fill out at least 2 of the missing tiers.

[T0byJug]

34 minutes ago, Trainspite said:

Perhaps you could use the Hunts as lower tier 'support' destroyers. With the AA firepower on them, they could be nice little escort boats that fill out at least 2 of the missing tiers.

The Hunt class type II may be ok.... but not sure if a DD with no torps and slow as well will work very well