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Which dds now may play like UK dds later?

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Which dds in game right now might play similar to UK dds when they come?    I'd like to concentrate on a line and learn to play a similar play style while I wait for the UK dds to come.  Thank you for your time.

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Some of the Pan Asian DDs are originally British ships sold or donated on, such as Jianwei and Gadjah Mada.

 

I didn't like Jianwei but if Gadjah is representative of the RN DD line, or even just the same with normal torps and smoke, I'll be delighted.

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8 minutes ago, AnchorChains said:

Which dds in game right now might play similar to UK dds when they come?    I'd like to concentrate on a line and learn to play a similar play style while I wait for the UK dds to come.  Thank you for your time.

Besides the premium T6 RN destroyer Gallant? I'd say the T7 Gadjah Mada, since it's the N-Class destroyer HMS Nonpareil transferred to Indonesia. Also the T3 premium HMAS Vampire, T3 Pan-Asian Phra Ruang, but the Jianwei was only designed by the British. You can expect lazy arcs and single shot torps.

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1 minute ago, Aragathor said:

Besides the premium T6 RN destroyer Gallant? I'd say the T7 Gadjah Mada, since it's the N-Class destroyer HMS Nonpareil transferred to Indonesia. Also the T3 premium HMAS Vampire.

You can expect lazy arcs and single shot torps.

If Gadjah Mada and vampire are anything to go by, you can also expect lots of pew-pew and good firing angles on turrets. But then again, I think the Cossack had pretty crappy angles, I heard.

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Hard to know for sure, but the Gadjah as people have said is an N class and we can hope it will be representative of at least the style of some, but with normal torpedoes that can be single and narrow fired. 

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Low-low tier might be the old US Destroyers that got sold to Britain, like what became HMS Campbeltown. Though as the Campbeltown pre-dates the RN Cruiser line she has normal torpedoes rather than single-fire, so maybe not representative of what the line would become. On the other hand as she does have long range torpedoes with a slow reload she is more similar in that respect to higher tier Destroyers and sneaky stealth firing. 

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45 minutes ago, Riselotte said:

If Gadjah Mada and vampire are anything to go by, you can also expect lots of pew-pew and good firing angles on turrets. But then again, I think the Cossack had pretty crappy angles, I heard.

 

The Tribal-Class was the precursor to the J-, K-, and N-Classes of destroyers.They were smaller but with more torps. Since I can look at both the newest version of the Cossack and the Gadjah I can tell you that the angles, while not as great on the rear guns as on the Gadjah, don't look as bad in port. Yes, I'm using a mod to see all the ships hidden in the client.

 

6 minutes ago, Johmie said:

Low-low tier might be the old US Destroyers that got sold to Britain, like what became HMS Campbeltown.

The Royal Navy has had enough own WWI era destroyers to fill 2 lines. So I doubt that the line will include any foreign ships. Campbeltown was famous for St. Nazaire.

 

 

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Thanks everyone.  I'll give the Pan-Asia line a better look while I get more involved with this game.  I'm kinda leery about not being able to torp other dds but they are what they are I guess.

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Well, seeing as how each UK line has been a clusterfuck of gimmicks, id need prepared for the same with UK DDS.

 

The cruisers play like dds, the battleships like cruisers, so ... The dds will play like battleships?

 

Calling it now, they'll have superheals in place of speed boost, Perth smoke, inflated gun alpha and khaba armor. They'll be "balanced" with "bad" (read: slightly above average) turning circles and concealment.

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Oh God, please no crazy gimmicks. Current RN destroyer unique traits are more than enough for the first line.

 

- Awkward gun firing arcs (usually the rear facing ones) 

- Bad torpedo firing angles. (no biggie)

- High shell arcs.

- Slow to accelerate past 30 knots. (no top end umpfff)

 

+ Manoeuvrability.

+ Stealth.

+ Good torpedoes. (single launch)

+ RN HE. (BURN IT ALL!)

 

No idea why WG haven't released a bunch of RN premiums yet. Who wouldn't want a premium pink Gadja Mada with normal smoke and 10km single launch torpedoes? :cap_viking:

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Well, we already have a few RN DD's in game. I suppose they might give a pretty good idea? vampire, Campbeltown, Gallant, Cossack. AND before anyone says it - Yes, I know Vampire is officially supposed to be Commonwealth but come on...:Smile_Default:

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Actually, we should get HMS Kelly to celebrate the birth of Prince Louis Arthur Charles! Named after her famous captain.

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I think they will get hydro because RN used it against german subs. Maybe radar?

Historically british DD where good ships but that has nothing to say because wg gladly likes to put game fun over historic things!

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2 hours ago, creamgravy said:

+ RN HE. (BURN IT ALL!)

 

How to make every DD and CL player lose interest in playing those classes 101

 

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9 hours ago, Johmie said:

Low-low tier might be the old US Destroyers that got sold to Britain, like what became HMS Campbeltown. Though as the Campbeltown pre-dates the RN Cruiser line she has normal torpedoes rather than single-fire, so maybe not representative of what the line would become. On the other hand as she does have long range torpedoes with a slow reload she is more similar in that respect to higher tier Destroyers and sneaky stealth firing. 

Not counting sub classes like the V class DD and the W Class DD (these 2 can be combined to the V/W Class DD. The Royal Navy have in Excess of 40 distinct Fleet DD classes (not including Escort DD's like the Hunt class) 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyer_classes_of_the_Royal_Navy

 

These DDs have a huge Variance in armament and weapons. Even at tiers 7+ we can have

 

100mm 113mm or 120mm guns DP(AA and anti ship) or just ship to ship guns  in single or double mounts with 4 to 8 guns and 4 to 10 Torpedo tubes.

 

Interesting ships for high tier

 

Battle class 2x2 4.5 (113mm) all in the Bow and 8 or 10 torpedo Tubes Edit not 120mm

 

and Daring class (maybe to late for game) with 2x3 120mm guns and 10 Torpedo tubes... 

 

Both have the Powered turret mark V turrets with ROF 24 shots per min. Edit (not per second)

 

AS for RN stile ships HMAS Vampire (and you can even mount a white Ensign now since last patch) 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, T0byJug said:

Daring class with 2x3 120mm guns .......Powered turret mark V turrets with ROF 24 shots per second.

8,640 rounds per minute - wow

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Also, I think Battle & Daring have 4.5" (113 mm) guns.

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On 4/30/2018 at 11:40 AM, creamgravy said:

Actually, we should get HMS Kelly to celebrate the birth of Prince Louis Arthur Charles! Named after her famous captain.

Good idea

 

Basically a Gadjah Mada(N class DD) with normal Torps..  J/K/N class DDs basicly the same ships 

 

21 hours ago, Capra76 said:

8,640 round per minute - wow

:cap_rambo::cap_rambo::cap_rambo::cap_rambo::cap_rambo:

 

Also, I think Battle & Daring have 4.5" (113 mm) guns.

well spotted... 

 

Been a while since i messed up like that ROF was wrong, and correct I don't think RN ever mounted 5 inch guns on there DDs...... Edited

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From another thread my guess at a likely RN line up, based on ships already in the game was:

  1. n/a
  2. maybe Acasta, 3 guns, 2 x 1 torps;
  3. R class, in game as the PA Phra Ruang,
  4. V/W class, similar to Vampire but probably with 2 x 2 torpedo tubes and the 6km MkV;
  5. maybe a modified W class with 2 x 3 torps;
  6. G class, very close to Gallant;
  7. maybe an I class, 4 x 1 guns and 2 x 5 torps or L/M class with 3 x 2 guns but 2 x 4 torps;
  8. N class, in game as Gadjah Mada at T7 but borderline O/P with DWT, would be a good fit at 8 with regular Mk IX* off Edinburgh;
  9. Battle class, 5 x 4.5" guns, 2 x 5 torps;
  10. Daring class, 3 x 2 4.5" guns, 2 x 5 torps.

The big question is how to balance the 4.5" guns at T9/10 since 113 mm won't penetrate 19mm plate without IFHE but if you give the line the 1/4 HE rule then they'll be able to shred battleships with IFHE, perhaps a special 1/5 rule?

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25 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

From another thread my guess at a likely RN line up, based on ships already in the game was:

  1. n/a
  2. maybe Acasta, 3 guns, 2 x 1 torps;
  3. R class, in game as the PA Phra Ruang,
  4. V/W class, similar to Vampire but probably with 2 x 2 torpedo tubes and the 6km MkV;
  5. maybe a modified W class with 2 x 3 torps;
  6. G class, very close to Gallant;
  7. maybe an I class, 4 x 1 guns and 2 x 5 torps or L/M class with 3 x 2 guns but 2 x 4 torps;
  8. N class, in game as Gadjah Mada at T7 but borderline O/P with DWT, would be a good fit at 8 with regular Mk IX* off Edinburgh;
  9. Battle class, 5 x 4.5" guns, 2 x 5 torps;
  10. Daring class, 3 x 2 4.5" guns, 2 x 5 torps.

The big question is how to balance the 4.5" guns at T9/10 since 113 mm won't penetrate 19mm plate without IFHE but if you give the line the 1/4 HE rule then they'll be able to shred battleships with IFHE, perhaps a special 1/5 rule?

We will find out soon with the new IJN DDs with 100mm guns. What ever they do with them should  work ok. with 113mm guns

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Hmm....

 

I like the tier plan but I feel the wartime classes are really squeezed out. I would prefer an O/P/Q at T6 or 7 (can be balanced at either depending on setup) or the wartime S through Z and C classes. Actually I can see those as T8s, maybe even T9s, since they're roughly Benson/Fletcher size and configuration. HMS Cavalier is also an obvious premium for the latter as she's a museum.

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On 4/30/2018 at 9:56 AM, AnchorChains said:

Thanks everyone.  I'll give the Pan-Asia line a better look while I get more involved with this game.  I'm kinda leery about not being able to torp other dds but they are what they are I guess.

You have bloody good guns to make up for it

 

21 hours ago, VC381 said:

Hmm....

 

I like the tier plan but I feel the wartime classes are really squeezed out. I would prefer an O/P/Q at T6 or 7 (can be balanced at either depending on setup) or the wartime S through Z and C classes. Actually I can see those as T8s, maybe even T9s, since they're roughly Benson/Fletcher size and configuration. HMS Cavalier is also an obvious premium for the latter as she's a museum.

If they do not want to do 2 complete lines we could have a line split around tier 6..  one branch 100 mm guns one branch 120mm.. Culminating in Daring and Battle at tier X with 113mm guns

Difference in tier X

Darings Large and Slow 30knots but powefull

Battles Smaller and stealthier and faster (almost 6 knots faster) not as many guns

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The RN 114mm gun fired heavier shells than many 120-127mm designs.

QE 114mm secondaries have 120mm alpha/fire % values, Neptune secondaries have normal 114mm values, so who knows what WG will do for the destroyers. They're certainly not a 100mm/14kg class gun.

 

Daring goes 34.5 knots btw.

 

Fleet destroyers (easy peesy)


Tier 2: Laforey class

Tier 3: R class

Tier 4: S class

Tier 5: Amazon

Tier 6: Interwar

Tier 7: WEP

Tier 8: J/K/N Class

Tier 9: Battle

Tier 10: Daring

 

Destroyer leaders.


Tier 2: Talisman class leader.

Tier 3: Parker class leader.

Tier 4: V class leader.

Tier 5: Admiralty class leader.

Tier 6: Interwar leader.

Tier 7: Tribal.

Tier 8: L/M Class.

Tier 9: V leader design.

Tier 10: L.72 design.

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5 minutes ago, creamgravy said:

The RN 114mm gun fired heavier shells than many 120-127mm designs.

QE 114mm secondaries have 120mm alpha/fire % values, Neptune secondaries have normal 114mm values, so who knows what WG will do for the destroyers.

 

Daring goes 34.5 knots btw.

 

Fleet destroyers (easy peesy)

 

Ok i was just going by Wiki.. Says 30 knots there

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12 hours ago, Mr_Tayto said:

normal torps

IF they get torps at all... Having seen the bizarre choices in the RN lines so far I actually question openly whether or not those DD's will get torps at all. I mean look at the cruiser line: AP ammo only! I was wondering if BBs would get AP shells. Turns out I wasn't that far from the truth given the HE spam from RN BB's.

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2016 i was i Sydney , visited the HMAS Vampire - WG, bring on the Daring class as T10.

Timeframe ??? Kutusow or Chabarowsk anyone :Smile_medal:

 

And an L Class with 8x 4" guns (HMS Legion as example) , a british Akizuki:cap_rambo:, as premium .

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