Asashio - Just want to address the elephant in the room.

[Flaming_Bunny]

4 hours ago, EdiJo said:

It is. In exactly the same way as for any other premium. In a linked wiki article. And in the article you have the important thing stated using bold font. I even checked the edit history, it was that way already on Saturday.

Not true. You may as well notice that ANY sale page does not contain ANY information regarding ship specs, apart from some marketing stuff. 

The page contains much more than "the ONE detail". But the detail is in bold font there, quite visible. Even if you buy a boat before reading or watching anything.

Well. From those few quotations it seems the arrogant one is you. In OldSchool's post I found no ranting nor being unable to process the information, nor failing to acquire it. He just noticed that the info WAS in the specification on the sales page, because ALL premiums have specifications available ONLY in the wiki. Nothing was obscured, nor hidden. No marketing ploy. Just you, who did not bother to read the description.

You are manipulating the wording. The wiki page is completely different from your "comparison". Information about peculiarity of Asashio torps is clearly visible, in a few places. Even if you can't grasp "walls of text" nor don't want to click the reviews, you have it pointed out as a bullet-point in "Cons" section.

Asashio torpedo armament is described as "unique" and word "unique" is used 3 times there in a few sentences. Quite clear, in my opinion.

There is nothing "unique" in Pan-Asian deep water torps, they are standard, we have them for quite a while in a whole DD line.

The whole part about "is the boat OK" is not the thread subject, and later OP suddenly changing his mind from "I'm selling" to "I love it" has nothing to do with fact, that there was enough information, and in the usual place. 

So basically it is complaining about nothing. 

 

 

Hi.

You are entitled to your opinion. :)

I still stand by mine.

I have expressed myself enough on that matter in this whole thread already.

 

 

Regarding changing my mind?

I literally wrote "Worst case I might sell it in game", that is not the same as "I'm selling it", something I cannot recall saying.

Nor did I say I loved it. (I just proved that I know how to play it and I did call it OP in the first post)

So I am not sure how you could perceive it as a "Change of mind".

 

 

But just for the sake of your comments.

Are you saying that people are not allowed to change their minds during a thread discussion?

We are human, we are capable of changing our minds after all.

I would not be angry at someone for changing his/her mind, unless I wanted to make him/her angry, then I would possibly point it out :)

 

 

Regarding "So it is basically complaining about nothing"

love that comment because it is so true.

Because I am not complaining, I am expressing an area that could be improved. :)

 

In post #15 I wrote : 

I guess I am pointing with my whole hand at WG for not being very informative.

At the same time I guess I also want to give all the new uninformed players a voice by expressing this.

I can only imagine how many new players that wants a cool tier 8 ship only to fail from the get go as they lacked some information upon the purchase.

 

 

I am totally sure that as long as situations like these happen in this game, there will be a lot of players that will react this way.

It does not matter if these players are new or experienced players.

As long as it happens it would save time and energy for everyone if that little part of information had been written there in the first place.

 

And there will always be people like Oldschool and such that oppose threads like these.

 

 

Best Regards

Me

[RAHJAILARI]

44 minutes ago, lup3s said:

I raise with Trappists and Abbey beers 

CURSES!

[Skyllon]

4 hours ago, EdiJo said:

It is. In exactly the same way as for any other premium. In a linked wiki article. And in the article you have the important thing stated using bold font. I even checked the edit history, it was that way already on Saturday.

Lol, are you a banker? I mean, they also include all crucial information everywhere but a loan agreement...

Information attached to the article via link to external source is not the same as present in the article, which is the entire point of OP, who BTW is not complaining but very nicely pointing that out.

I'm afraid we have to agree to disagree.

[DanottiTR]

Well there are T10 panasians trying to torp other DDs ... so ...

[Tivook]

I agree with the topic. Nowhere did it say that these particular deepwater torpeodes only hit BBs and CVs.

I think it's pretty outrageous that they only hit BBs, especially since launching torps is the only good thing about this ship, it's pretty useless in every other regard apart from spotting range.

I believe every ship should have it's strengths and weaknesses towards other ships. This ship is at a disadvantage towards every other ship in a situation where it's only facing cruisers and DD's which it sometimes will do, especially in ranked.

I'm not trying to make this the new Lo Yang of ranked but imo most cruisers have radar or hydro so there's no real reason why the DWT shouldn't hit cruisers.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

23 minutes ago, Tivook said:

I think it's pretty outrageous that they only hit BBs, especially since launching torps is the only good thing about this ship, it's pretty useless in every other regard apart from spotting range.
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I'm not trying to make this the new Lo Yang of ranked but imo most cruisers have radar or hydro so there's no real reason why the DWT shouldn't hit cruisers.

 

The torpedoes are too good for that.

 

Compare them to Tier10 Yueyang torpedoes, considering that this ship also has a TRB.

 

Asashio is a true specialist.

I actually like that about her...

[Tivook]

3 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

The torpedoes are too good for that.

 

Compare them to Tier10 Yueyang torpedoes, considering that this ship also has a TRB.

Pan asian DDs have american gun firepower, please do take this into account, it's not all about the torpedoes.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

4 minutes ago, Tivook said:

Pan asian DDs have american gun firepower, please do take this into account, it's not all about the torpedoes.

 

You do realize that Yueyang is also a TierX ship?

 

Compare Asashio and the other Tier8 DDs.

It is basically a Kagero that has stronger-than-TX torps against BBs, and BBs only.

[Tivook]

1 minute ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

You do realize that Yueyang is also a TierX ship?

 

Compare Asashio and the other Tier8 DDs.

Doesn't matter. The only advantage the ship has is the fact that the torps are deepwater, like wtf? they are not 300 knot torps and every other ship has hydro on t8.

This ship is at a disadvantage in speed, health, turret rotation, turret fire rate to mention a few drawbacks and you wanna focus on the deepwater aspect? LoL! the TRB is only available every other reload too.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

5 minutes ago, Tivook said:

Doesn't matter. The only advantage the ship has is the fact that the torps are deepwater, like wtf? they are not 300 knot torps and every other ship has hydro on t8.

This ship is at a disadvantage in speed, health, turret rotation, turret fire rate to mention a few drawbacks and you wanna focus on the deepwater aspect? LoL! the TRB is only available every other reload too.

 

Once you will have more expericence in high tier DDs, you will see how good these torpedoes actually are.

Hitting cruisers would make the ship OP.

 

[Tivook]

1 minute ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

Once you will have more expericence in high tier DDs, you will see how good these torpedoes actually are.

Hitting cruisers would make the ship OP.

 

Haha, are you implying I'm not experienced in high tier dd combat? Last time I checked, my stats are on par if not better than yours, especially since you've been stat padding with Kamikaze R on tier 5.

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

14 minutes ago, Tivook said:

Haha, are you implying I'm not experienced in high tier dd combat? Last time I checked, my stats are on par if not better than yours, especially since you've been stat padding with Kamikaze R on tier 5.

 

Keep telling yourself that.

[Tivook]

37 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

Keep telling yourself that.

I don't need to do that, your profile tells me and everyone else all about that. Your WR with Shimakaze, the most torpedo heavy boat in T10, is a mere 51% so you're hardly an expert on the matter dude. On the contrary, you're average at best.

[HappyFella]

Stat-shamer!

 

Get over yourself.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

I agree with the topic. Nowhere did it say that these particular deepwater torpeodes only hit BBs and CVs.

I think it's pretty outrageous that they only hit BBs, especially since launching torps is the only good thing about this ship, it's pretty useless in every other regard apart from spotting range.

I believe every ship should have it's strengths and weaknesses towards other ships. This ship is at a disadvantage towards every other ship in a situation where it's only facing cruisers and DD's which it sometimes will do, especially in ranked.

I'm not trying to make this the new Lo Yang of ranked but imo most cruisers have radar or hydro so there's no real reason why the DWT shouldn't hit cruisers.

It says so in the linked wiki article. as pointed out before, if people cannot read before buying a 35 Euro (at minimum, if you don't get a higher-priced edition) ship, then it's their fault for making blind purchases.

 

On the torpedoes being outrageous, yes, they are. No, they should not just be given the ability to hit cruisers. That would be crazy and OP as hell. A cruiser has only slightly better chances of reacting in the bit over 4 seconds it takes between spotting and impact and even if they eat just one torpedo, that likely is half their hp, given how much damage that is. Two and it is a devstrike. In experienced hands this ship would thrive on T10 matches where it can just torp Yamatos, but now also any cruisers that stay in oneplace. What, Des Moines is radaring cap from behind island? No problem, Asashio launches a spread from stand-off range before that radar runs out, the Des Moines is scrap metal. Asashio has the range and radar does not spot torpedoes any sooner than no radar. And I'm pretty sure not more people will slot hydro than before for Asashio, because if you base your choice on what you fear may one-hit delete you, there's now the lottery of betting on defAA to thwart silly rare AP bombers (another brilliant design) or hydro to thwart the silly rare Asashio.

 

This ship just should not ever have been introduced in its current form. It should have gotten some more versatile armament to be useful and not a potato boat that is for potatoes to farm other potatoes, given how little skill is needed on both sides of the torpedo path for this crap to work.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

42 minutes ago, Tivook said:

I don't need to do that, your profile tells me and everyone else all about that. Your WR with Shimakaze, the most torpedo heavy boat in T10, is a mere 51% so you're hardly an expert on the matter dude. On the contrary, you're average at best.

 

38 minutes ago, DiggerPH said:

Stat-shamer!

 

Get over yourself.

 

Not only that.

Shimakaze is the only T9/T10 DD that he ever played.

 

My experience in pretty much all the TX DDs and as a CW DD player doesn't count though, since I played 30 battles in Kamikaze R. 

Some people are just special...

 

[Xevious_Red]

That awkward moment where you try argueing that someone's 51% in a ship means they don't know what they're talking about, while similtaniously argueing that your 51% in the same ship means you know what you're doing

31 minutes ago, Tivook said:

I don't need to do that, your profile tells me and everyone else all about that. Your WR with Shimakaze, the most torpedo heavy boat in T10, is a mere 51% so you're hardly an expert on the matter dude. On the contrary, you're average at best.

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

Haha, are you implying I'm not experienced in high tier dd combat? Last time I checked, my stats are on par if not better than yours

 

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

Haha, are you implying I'm not experienced in high tier dd combat? Last time I checked, my stats are on par if not better than yours, especially since you've been stat padding with Kamikaze R on tier 5.

 

 

1 hour ago, Tivook said:

I don't need to do that, your profile tells me and everyone else all about that. Your WR with Shimakaze, the most torpedo heavy boat in T10, is a mere 51% so you're hardly an expert on the matter dude. On the contrary, you're average at best.

 

 

Ok, so here are our stats in T8-T10 DDs.

 

Which do you think are yours?!

 

 

 

 

 

[Tivook]

17 minutes ago, Xevious_Red said:

That awkward moment where you try argueing that someone's 51% in a ship means they don't know what they're talking about, while similtaniously argueing that your 51% in the same ship means you know what you're doing

 

 

 Well I guess your reading ability is only 51% too then. Never did I say that I was much better than him, it was he who told me I need to get more experience with T10 DD's before commenting which is ludicrous because his stats are similar to mine even though I've played 2000 games fewer than he has.

I don't need to play more T10 DD, it is he who needs to step down from that high horse of his.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

8 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

Ok, so here are our stats in T8-T10 DDs.

 

Which do you think are yours?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Tivook said:

 Well I guess your reading ability is only 51% too then. Never did I say that I was much better than him, it was he who told me I need to get more experience with T10 DD's before commenting which is ludicrous because his stats are similar to mine even though I've played 2000 games fewer than he has.

I don't need to play more T10 DD, it is he who needs to step down from that high horse of his.

 

Your stats are neither similar, nor do you have any expericence.

 

But I am mostly playing DD in CW and Ranked anyway. (Which is where you are also not doing well btw.)

 

[Tivook]

5 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

 

Your stats are neither similar, nor do you have any expericence.

I've played twice as many battles with the torp heavy Shimakaze and my stats with it is on par with yours even though I have thousands of fewer games played, enough said.

 

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

6 minutes ago, Tivook said:

I've played twice as many battles with the torp heavy Shimakaze and my stats with it is on par with yours even though I have thousands of fewer games played, enough said.

 

I never really played my Shima again after getting the other ones, but ok mate.

Enough said, yes. You still don't have any expericene to compare T8-T10 DDs from that Shimakaze.

[Tivook]

5 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

I never really played my Shima again after getting the other ones, but ok mate.

Enough said, yes. You still don't have any expericene to compare T8-T10 DDs from that Shimakaze.

Oh so you mean you played the Shima long before everyone got sonar? That doesn't work in favour of your argument.

Don't argue about torp heavy ships when you never play Shimakaze, you are clueless. Pan asian ships are hardly comparable when they excel in every damn way compared to Shima or Asashio apart from torps.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

11 minutes ago, Tivook said:

Oh so you mean you played the Shima long before everyone got sonar? That doesn't work in favour of your argument.

Don't argue about torp heavy ships when you never play Shimakaze, you are clueless. Pan asian ships are hardly comparable when they excel in every damn way compared to Shima or Asashio apart from torps.

 

Ok then: As you said, Asashio should hit cruisers too, because it is too weak. 

[HaachamaShipping]

11 minutes ago, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

 

Ok then: As you said, Asashio should hit cruisers too, because it is too weak. 

Oh, ffs no. Not without a massive range nerf and maybe even taking away TRB.