New Unsporting conduct system needs to be fixed

[blindhai]

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

If at the end of the day you used reports and got 9 compliments left then your expectations are too high. A teacher cannot hand out only bad grades to the entire class just cause he feels they need to be better than good.

You were in school? Or are you not that old? I remember that the entire class got fives and sixes except two. Maybe they changed that, because there shouldnt "bad students"...didnt realize it was changed that much.

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

We agree to disagree.

Seems you are alone with your opinion there, which is fine, just sayin. :)

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

I got no such replay cause I don't friendly fire that often.

Come back if you actually have a case there. :) 

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Personally I would not wanna loose a game cause a team mate didn't take a risky but reasonable shot.

I would say that it is possible to not getting that close to each other or play with more foresight.

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

If a player intentionally kills a team mate, then 2 games in coop or even 10 games with reflected dmg are both very forgiving penalties.

For me the intention is given when he is playing reckless or just lazy. 

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Finally, any automated system will be understood and walked around by a teamkiller if possible.

When it is no automated and you (the player) take action and punish the other one, not only he will flame you like hell...no...maybe the team will do that as well, because it was in your hand to do nothing/to not punish/to not weaken the team. They wont get the point that the offender is the other guy and they wont care, because you had a choice. You know bullying is a big thin in the internet? So the automatic system will be much better there. So they can blame WG, but not really you, because you couldnt do anything.

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

If someone takes a shot that was unreasonable dangerous, rather risking the win than securing it, then the team can report him and then the penalty can also be higher than before.

Right now it can not, the reports will only affect his karma now.

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

TK is counterintuitive and punitive in nature as it reduces the chances of the TK's team to win.

If i read this correctly, then you will only get TD or even TK when you are already pink. Not sure when, but it was in the development blog. So i think the system will be fine even for all the whiners here. Finally they can just shoot someone (again) when he doesnt react to their "commands"...so...yay...

 

19 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

You talk about terms like innocence and I talk about a higher cause.

Not sure if you are really talking about a higher cause here...but i doubt that you can show me a real case here...when you can...come back and we actually will have something to discuss here.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

On 24.5.2018 at 4:42 PM, blindhai said:

You were in school?

You are not getting personal over such a trivial subject, are you?

On 24.5.2018 at 4:42 PM, blindhai said:

Seems you are alone with your opinion there, which is fine, just sayin. :)

I would not jump to conclusions based on a few posts here. I read a lot of upset comments in the ingame chat on the new system and they are not all coming from pink players. We could start a poll, but still it wouldn't change a thing. Let's leave it up to the community to give feedback to the developers.

On 24.5.2018 at 4:42 PM, blindhai said:

Come back if you actually have a case there. :) 

I'd say I come back, whenever I wish to. We are not in courtbut in a forum. We exchange opinions.

On 24.5.2018 at 4:42 PM, blindhai said:

I would say that it is possible to not getting that close to each other or play with more foresight.

It is certainly possible. But then again I have seen lots of situations, where a player had to take a risky shot to save the team. You don't wanna be bothered with reporting and TKs coming back at you. I don't want people being punished for a close call. I can accept your opinion and I feel you can accept mine

On 24.5.2018 at 4:42 PM, blindhai said:

For me the intention is given when he is playing reckless or just lazy. 

So (gross) negligence is intention now. Is that part of the criminal law in your country?

On 24.5.2018 at 4:42 PM, blindhai said:

When it is no automated and you (the player) take action and punish the other one, not only he will flame you like hell...no...maybe the team will do that as well, because it was in your hand to do nothing/to not punish/to not weaken the team. They wont get the point that the offender is the other guy and they wont care, because you had a choice. You know bullying is a big thin in the internet? So the automatic system will be much better there. So they can blame WG, but not really you, because you couldnt do anything.

And what would be so damn wrong with just reflecting team dmg from the start? No damage to the victim but just to the "reckless" player. It is enough, when one player is deleted from a team and it would be very justified and acceptable for all sides, if that was the player who took the shot. Also then I don't need all that reporting and pink and victims not getting compensated and all the drama. It is just every players choice and he would have to come to terms with himself instead of others. The punishment would be automated, which promotes your idea of not being bullied for taking action. And the punishment would be very direct and on the same level as the misconduct, so even not so smart players could get the link in their head "I cause pain, I fell pain, better to stop". And when you process that thought you even get to the point, where there is no "unsporting conduct", because it is not unsporting when a player shoots himself in the foot.

On 24.5.2018 at 4:42 PM, blindhai said:

Not sure if you are really talking about a higher cause here...but i doubt that you can show me a real case here...when you can...come back and we actually will have something to discuss here.

I don't see the point. I can give some examples but then you always say "that's situational", which is right. I don't dispute that, I just say there are situations, where it is justified however rare they might be. An I say that the current system does not account for that and that other systems can do better. It's not like I just slaughtered your holy cow or took a passionate stand for everyone's right to TK as much and as often as they wish.

[blindhai]

16 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

You are not getting personal over such a trivial subject, are you?

I would never, still wondering if your school experience was different than mine though.

 

16 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

So (gross) negligence is intention now. Is that part of the criminal law in your country?

It is a part, but not punishable by law...but that is not purposeful here. 

 

16 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

And what would be so damn wrong with just reflecting team dmg from the start? No damage to the victim but just to the "reckless" player.

You still think no team damage at all would be a good idea? I willl not go there. Maybe when WG actually decides this would be a god idea. I dont see any need for action there. If they would implement that then this would be probably bad for the game because players get even more reckless. I imagine that players would start to blame each other when they block torps from their teammates.

 

16 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Also then I don't need all that reporting and pink and victims not getting compensated and all the drama.

Following your logic then i would use many of my complements and almost none of my reports, which is not how it was intended to work... 

 

16 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

"I cause pain, I fell pain, better to stop"

Why would you even fire at your allies, when you do Zero damage to them? 

 

16 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

An I say that the current system does not account for that and that other systems can do better.

Well, i would say that the priority should be protecting the normal player. If there is collateral damage like players who had "good intentions" taking a shot or torp away, then this is fine. It is all about the decisions here, do or dont...but live with it.

 

 

But, as i said, it seems that all the whining changed something. I can live with that, troll players will now be able to torp allies again and just say sorry. But at least the whining will stop, because after that change there is no reason why anyone would have something to complain about.

 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

7 hours ago, blindhai said:

You still think no team damage at all would be a good idea? I willl not go there. Maybe when WG actually decides this would be a god idea. I dont see any need for action there. If they would implement that then this would be probably bad for the game because players get even more reckless. I imagine that players would start to blame each other when they block torps from their teammates.

A player can only block what has been fired close to him, so, as you pointed out so often, the firing player is in control to do so if he feels it is worth the risk. Nobody else has to pay the price for a bad call but the player taking the risk. Any other player can still finish his game, making credits and XP. I think that is pretty fair.

7 hours ago, blindhai said:

Following your logic then i would use many of my complements and almost none of my reports, which is not how it was intended to work... 

 

Why would you even fire at your allies, when you do Zero damage to them? 

Exactly. You would not. Perfect protection for the "normal player". Surely the player who just killed himself might get angry at the victim but they do anyway. When I get TKed now - i mean really, not unintentional with the apology and the np - I always get the flame and insults and the report, too. So I don't see how I am better off.

7 hours ago, blindhai said:

Well, i would say that the priority should be protecting the normal player. If there is collateral damage like players who had "good intentions" taking a shot or torp away, then this is fine. It is all about the decisions here, do or dont...but live with it.

Currently the players are protected like in real life, where the protection is the thread of punishment. But you do not protect the murder victim by putting the murderer in jail, you protect those still alive. protecting the victim requires the murderer to be sane and anticipate he will be caught. But this is a game, there are no dark alleys. Everything is visible.

7 hours ago, blindhai said:

But, as i said, it seems that all the whining changed something. I can live with that, troll players will now be able to torp allies again and just say sorry. But at least the whining will stop, because after that change there is no reason why anyone would have something to complain about. [...]

Could you quit the intolerance, please. It was every player's right to express their opinons. If the system was slightly fixed due to players being unhappy with it, doesn't that mean, that I am not so alone with my opinion as you suggested earlier?

By the way I don't think the fix you quoted addresses the problem properly. Now every player can get a "Devastating Strike" on his teammate without reflection and be pink for two games. That should encourage TKs. I'd rather see damage reflected from the first hp and no team damage. At least then the right player is going to port.

[blindhai]

4 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

A player can only block what has been fired close to him, so, as you pointed out so often, the firing player is in control to do so if he feels it is worth the risk.

Exactly my words...not sure why you even want to remove TD because you excessively play CoOp and that is just going forward, destroying everything. But you can just make a suggestion here: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/71026-suggestions-thread/   I am curious if you want to remove the collision model for your own team next, so you can just go through them...but that is just not for me.

 

4 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Perfect protection for the "normal player".

 

4 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Currently the players are protected like in real life, where the protection is the thread of punishment. But you do not protect the murder victim by putting the murderer in jail, you protect those still alive. protecting the victim requires the murderer to be sane and anticipate he will be caught. But this is a game, there are no dark alleys. Everything is visible.

I'll pass. It is not asking too much to behave and i dont want to play "Hello Kitty Warships". 

 

4 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

Could you quit the intolerance, please.

I am not, it is just funny to see how many players cried in this thread because they got punished because they played unperceptive or are just aholes. ...and they still thought they have done nothing wrong, it is always the other one who did a mistake. H i l a r i o u s  I think that there will be others to come even though it was "fixed"... 

 

4 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

It was every player's right to express their opinons.

Yes, of course. I also expressed mine.  I even share the opinion that the instant deletion for something like only 3 shells from 1 turret (in a BB) is a bit too much.

 

4 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

By the way I don't think the fix you quoted addresses the problem properly. Now every player can get a "Devastating Strike" on his teammate without reflection and be pink for two games. That should encourage TKs. I'd rather see damage reflected from the first hp and no team damage.

*pointing at the Suggestion Thread again*  (regarding "no td")

I think it will just work like before the patch but with a bigger reflection than before. We will see though. Lets just hope the aholes dont try to be funny now...and i think you will get more than 2 games for TK (regardless from the damage itself). I think it is like 8 (?) now. But: Only a little warning, nothing more. Well, you dont like colour, but i am sure you will survive. 

 

But wait: Didnt you say you dont want any reflection/mirror damage in the first place?

 

 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

23 minutes ago, blindhai said:

Exactly my words...not sure why you even want to remove TD because you excessively play CoOp and that is just going forward, destroying everything. But you can just make a suggestion here: https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/71026-suggestions-thread/   I am curious if you want to remove the collision model for your own team next, so you can just go through them...but that is just not for me.

You gotta think big. Actually I want a turbo jump to hop over others and islands alike.

[blindhai]

10 hours ago, HMS_Kilinowski said:

You gotta think big. Actually I want a turbo jump to hop over others and islands alike.

Sure.  I think you got to watch Knight Rider there.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

K.I.T.T. camo! After those space camos, there is no point being subtle.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

Wow, I just saw a guy on the enemy team getting -2 kills plus himself. I gotta watch this replay. I've seen that in coop but never in random.