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[Boris_MNE]

 

 

I need some professional help :D

 

My ship: Shimakaze

Enemy ship: Gearing

Distance: 4,5 km

My hp: full

Enemy hp: 700

 

I shoot 16 HE shells, 0 damage.

Anyone care to explain?

 

 

Here is second gearing, same game... HE shells used as well...

 

 

 

I don't understand xD

[principat121]

damage saturation

 

just google it

[Vlad_Vado]

1 minute ago, principat121 said:

damage saturation

 

just google it

 This ^^ I guess that all shells landed on an area o areas totally destroyed and damage saturation mechanic triggered.

[Tyrendian89]

...how do you of all people not know about damage saturation @Boris_MNE? genuinely confused here... you're hardly new to all of this...

 

in addition to the classic "google it", WG's first actual tutorial video from a few days ago also covers pretty much exactly this...

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

2 hours ago, Boris_MNE said:

 

 

I need some professional help :D

 

My ship: Shimakaze

Enemy ship: Gearing

Distance: 4,5 km

My hp: full

Enemy hp: 540

 

I shoot 16 HE shells, 0 damage.

Anyone care to explain?

 

 

Here is second gearing, same game... HE shells used as well...

 

 

 

I don't understand xD

long story short, you got EDIT :)

 

dmg saturation

 

did you ever play WOT? you can kill tank by shooting at one spot.....in wows ships have 3 (4?) zones that all have HP pool.....you need to take all HP poll from all parts to kill ship.....if you hit part with 0 HP pool you get 0 dmg and ship is still alive :)

[Aotearas]

1 minute ago, Tyrendian89 said:

...how do you of all people not know about damage saturation @Boris_MNE? genuinely confused here... you're hardly new to all of this...

Well, it's still a pretty rare case. DDs aren't exactly large ships so if you hit it, you're almost guaranteed to hit a section of the ship that isn't damage saturated by sheer coincidence, thus doing at least some damage.

[creamgravy]

Gearing has 21mm side plating, 127mm HE shells can't pen it.

[principat121]

8 minutes ago, Aotearas said:

Well, it's still a pretty rare case. DDs aren't exactly large ships so if you hit it, you're almost guaranteed to hit a section of the ship that isn't damage saturated by sheer coincidence, thus doing at least some damage.

Quite contrary! Especially on destroyers you recognize this mechanic!

[Boris_MNE]

12 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

...how do you of all people not know about damage saturation @Boris_MNE? genuinely confused here... you're hardly new to all of this...

 

in addition to the classic "google it", WG's first actual tutorial video from a few days ago also covers pretty much exactly this...

 

 

Before shot:

 

 

 

After shot:

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

The WG video is quite good. Even I learned something I did not know before.

[Panocek]

11 minutes ago, creamgravy said:

Gearing has 21mm side plating, 127mm HE shells can't pen it.

This.

[Boris_MNE]

2 images above:

 

1st image:

1) Gearing superstructure was not clearly that MUCH damaged.

 

 

2nd image:

1) Gearing superstructure is suddenly damaged, but no damage recrieved.

2) Shots landed on superstructure, not side.

[Aotearas]

5 minutes ago, principat121 said:

Quite contrary! Especially on destroyers you recognize this mechanic!

I don't think so.

 

DDs saturate quickly but since they're so compact, chances are if you hit it you're not going to exclusively hit a single section. What you might be referring to (or what probably plays a major part in your perception of the problem) is that DDs are also chockfull of ship modules that can soak up damage. Landing a whopping 8 Zao HE shells on a DD but only getting 4k damage isn't uncommon, but that's not saturation, that's guns and torpedotubes sucking up the hits for module damage instead of HP damage.

 

 

In all my games I have yet to come across a DD that I didn't deal at least some damage to with every hit. Even taking potshots with my DDs at a Khabarovsk with its 50mm hull plating that my HE can't penetrate, at least some of my HE shells hit parts of the thinner bow/aft armour or the superstructure.

 

Not getting a single damaging hit on a DD like the Gearing in a Shimakaze practically means that he almost perfectly only hit that saturated area. Possible when the Gearing was kiting and the aft was saturated, but still impressive that not even a single shell hit something else for damage just due to shell dispersion sending it somewhere else on target.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

had a game on my midway , z52 had 1.4k hp left , he eated 2 torps , 1 torp 700 dmg , next torp  59 dmg,,,

[wilkatis_LV]

1 hour ago, Boris_MNE said:

My ship: Shimakaze

Enemy ship: Gearing

Distance: 4,5 km

My hp: full

Enemy hp: 700

 

I shoot 16 HE shells, 0 damage.

Anyone care to explain?

Gearing has 21mm side plating, without IFHE you have just 20mm HE pen

 

129mm and larger guns can HE pen Gearings side, but not 128s or whatever Shima had

 

30 minutes ago, Boris_MNE said:

2) Shots landed on superstructure, not side.

Explosion on the top of the hull or explosion on the bottom of the superstructure - you can't really tell

[Earl_of_Northesk]

1 hour ago, 15JG52Adler said:

long story short, you got fucked :)

 

dmg saturation

 

did you ever play WOT? you can kill tank by shooting at one spot.....in wows ships have 3 (4?) zones that all have HP pool.....you need to take all HP poll from all parts to kill ship.....if you hit part with 0 HP pool you get 0 dmg and ship is still alive :)

You don’t need to take HP from all pools, but one isn’t enough, yes.

[Elenortirion]

1 hour ago, 15JG52Adler said:

you need to take all HP poll from all parts to kill ship....

that part is actually untrue, as the sum of sections HPs is always bigger number than "total hp" you see you need to bring down to 0...

[lameoll]

if HE on a dd does next to no damage when he is low hp. 

then its better to just switch to AP instantly.

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

Being that she is fat and American the Gearing will at some point take considerably less he damage when saturated.

 

On broadsides Ap Works nicely on her, except maybe jap ap (which is unnecessary since your calibre should allow you he pens).

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

5 hours ago, Boris_MNE said:

 

 

I need some professional help :D

 

My ship: Shimakaze

Enemy ship: Gearing

Distance: 4,5 km

My hp: full

Enemy hp: 700

 

I shoot 16 HE shells, 0 damage.

Anyone care to explain?

 

 

Here is second gearing, same game... HE shells used as well...

 

 

 

I don't understand xD

 

Boris, you should know about the 21mm armor strip in the middle of the Gearing hull by now. 

 

That will shatter Shimas 127mm of course. So aim at the nose, if you are very close to him. 

[El2aZeR]

5 hours ago, Boris_MNE said:

2 images above:

 

Direct hits to modules such as turrets, AA guns and the like deal no damage. That applies to both HE and AP shells.

Looks like you hit the torp tubes to me.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

10 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Direct hit to modules such as turrets, AA guns and the like deal no damage.

Looks like you hit the torp tubes to me.

 

No, at 4km it is much more likely that he aimed right at the middle, exactly on that 21mm plate. 

[El2aZeR]

Just now, _Helmut_Kohl_ said:

No, at 4km it is much more likely that he aimed right at the middle, exactly on that 21mm plate. 

 

....You do realize there is a picture just a few posts above in which you can see the hit location, right? It's nowhere near the 21mm plate.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

4 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

....You do realize there is a picture just a few posts above in which you can see the hit location, right? It's nowhere near the 21mm plate.

 

Oh that one. Yeah it looks like a saturated superstructure. You will not land all 16 shells on the torp tubes. Maybe both. 

[EsaTuunanen]

7 hours ago, Boris_MNE said:

1st image:

1) Gearing superstructure was not clearly that MUCH damaged.

Might be some sync issue with ship module/compartment hp state.

With that much damage taken/little hp left it's very unlike that superstructure wouldn't have taken major damage.

 

Once in Gremy had case of ~200-300 Svietlana which just didn't didn't buy HE.

Fired at least three, likely four salvoes at it aiming bow, mid/superstructure.

Then it started turning and I loaded AP overpenning bow.