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7 minutes ago, ThinderChief said:

 

Look mattey if you don't like people voicing their opinion just don't come in their topics and complain they do. Cheers.

you dont have the right to voice your opinion if you wont try to learn the game simple. i can see your stats you know

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Hey OP, I'm not sure what you think you are gaining by this thread?  It seems you wrote this post to have a discussion on what you were perusing in your mind.  Why then when people voice their opinion (good or bad) you jump in on the attack?  I looked at the first couple of pages then quickly ran through the next.  Even when people were giving you sage advice you ignored it.  Then I thought I'll have a butchers at this blokes stats, damn your bad :Smile_teethhappy:  You may have a lot of battles under your belt but it seems you haven't learned the game at all.  Flaming people for their opinions is one thing but then griefing them for their play when it's obvious you really don't have a clue is the pits.  My suggestion chief is to lay off the sauce and find another game that you won't whine so much.

 

 

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Alle 4/26/2018 alle 03:47, ThinderChief ha scritto:

Dear sirs, i had a hard uprising, it takes a lot more than a bunch of under grown cyberbullies to move me.

 

When you'rte finished perhaps you could go flame-bate someone else? 

 

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Well, we all know that *edited* dont move so easy.

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Oh look, it's ThindeChief again.

 

Don't bother with him guys. He's a hopeless case.

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59 minutes ago, ThinderChief said:

 

That's a good approach.

 

For one i would love to see radar behave as they do in real life, meaning since they rely on echo, returned waves, they cant by nature detect anything hidden by terrain, if another ship lies behind an island a radar won't be able to detect it, unless it is a land-based trans-horizon system and they often larger than the ship themselves, because they work by rebound on the troposphere and not by direct line-of-sight return.

 

Even if radars consumable were used more often and for a longer period of time, detection could be avoided by using terrain and range, it would go some way to solve the problem, right now, it is possible for a BB seating near the opposite side of a map to engage a DD well hidden behind an island but illuminated by a radar, equally, seating behind a rock and hitting the radar key isn't ON for me, it is not realistic and not fair either, it requires no skills to detect the DD or the other ship.

 

The only reason this mechanic is so grossly simplified are the algorithms that making radar and sonar more realistic would require. 

Yes good idea, lets have radar like it is in real life.....on permanently!!!  Then you can really whine. If you want to play the game without using the tools to their full potential thus being at a disadvantage to other players due to stupidity and stubbornness then that's your choice. Coming to the forum and whining about it only provides entertainment to the rest of us as brainless posting tends to get jumped on. 

 

I am also aware that you mainly do this sort of stuff for trolling and attention seeking purposes as you did for years on the WOT forum (you performed legendary stupidity over there) and the amount of 'leave me alone you bullies' posts were comical, especially as half the time you instigated the insults. :Smile_sceptic:

 

 

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1 hour ago, ThinderChief said:

The only reason this mechanic is so grossly simplified are...

I have include quotes from the time frame in which radar was introduced:  Radar was introduced for many reasons, including to help counter Shima torpedo soup and to counter the number of DDs at higher tiers.

 

The problem with Shima torpedoes was correct by... correcting Shima torpedoes.

The problem with DD balance is being correct by adjusting DD balance.

How should you correct an issue with smoke... correct smoke.

 

WG seems to have a love of gimmicks, whether they work or not seems to be a secondary issue. Radar is as it is, because it was never well thought out or implemented.  I see no likelihood that radar will be changed in the near term.

 

 

 

 

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2. There will soon be some changes that will fix the DD balance:


Radar on high tier US and VMF ships
 

13. Did the radar help counter the torpedo soup (or walls, whatever you prefer)?

 

A. Hard to say, since there aren't a lot of radar equipped ships at high tiers yet. However, radar wasn't meant to be the sole solution to the torpedo soup problem. We still need to solve it from a different standpoint, and that is exactly what we plan to do in the next update, by changing certain elements little by little. You will know next week what we concretely plan to do regarding this matter.

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3 hours ago, ThinderChief said:

 

It's a lot easier to flame a poster who voices a different opinion on the basis of your stats and call for topics to be shut down than to admit to bullying them and to assess issues.

 

That's one reason W.G have a mind of their own and wont take your opinion into account so often, they don't care your stats, they care the reality of the game for players ranging from complete beginners to top.

 

What we see in this topic is what happened several time over when someone point out FACTS and you don't like them, having better stats doesn't make you right but you wont get it since yours rely solely on your belief that your stats makes you right, which is not what developer taught of it since they introduced changes that many of you were opposed to, i've seen this happen and i recall this sort of jumping up and down against the fire prevention skill, simply because "unicums" were specialised in "melting" other ships with H.E.

 

Only the hypocrisy of some prevented the truth to emerge for a while and show that the ships which really were melted the faster weren't BBs but Cruisers, that BB players and Russian weren't responsible for this etc etc, as a result, not only W.G did introduce the skill but also fixed the vulnerability of the Cruisers to fire, at least they tried to.

 

In short, you always have someone to blame for changes which developers figures are needed, while you would obviously beneficiate from NOT having them done, so i understand where the frustration come from, but obviously, this culture of cyberbulying is not making W.G change their mind.

 

And if you think bullies are not known in this forum you're also wrong on that one, people tell me here or T.S what they're going trough and some of you reputation is well made, down to the point people don't even bother visiting the forum because of those practises, so if i were you i'd consider trying some other tactics, it just doesn't work for you. 

 

That's reality against your "stats" religion.

Well ,first of all  I am not flaming I am  just pointing a fact.

 

Game has some mechanics and difficulties when played at certain types and certain tiers. And there is a huge section of our community that are not accepting these mechanics or gameplay or whatever you call it .

Unfair MM in that picture !!!! NO sir there is a challange there and an unfavaroble MM there for one side yet all is not lost before you play it or at least try to .... 

Yet calling Shima dies to a yugumo every time  is MM  issue ?? 

well sir this game is full of people complaining about diffrent things (I exclude CV play complaints ) without trying to understand game mechanics or trying to fin out counter play the difficulties they see.

No instead I see T10 panasian DDs tyring to torp other DDs ,I see BBs camping at 24km and complaining no one is capping ,I see radar ships staying far far far away from any cap to be useful with thier radar ,I see DDs torping from second line ..so do not bring another fruitless topic .Try to learn ... try diffrent classes .Instead of getting frustrated with your shima you can try other DDs ..easy is nt it instead of ranting here .... Or try to use a radar ship and see how hard thier life is when not supoorted trying to radar enemy DDs .

The MM picture you show us there tells nothing .... just the frustration of yours couse you cant cope with game elements and reality .... 

Tyr and learn ,,practice makes things better and if not happy with a ship change it ..this is a game ..you should have some fun not frustration .

If not happy want to change something then do not just complain offer some sense making ideas just dont cry me a river ...

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18 hours ago, ThinderChief said:

Don't worry in a few month, i will be proven right again and you my dear sirs, can seat on your stats. 

Proven right about what exactly?

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We didn`t need a Shima concealment buff - it might not be (or have been) the stealthies, but it`s the fastest IJN DD IIRC so unlike Kagero, and Yugumo it can disengage, and run.

What we need is a nerf to radars - especially the fact, that it goes through mountains.

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19 hours ago, ThinderChief said:

 

LOL. It's not the numbers of guys, it's the guys and the way they say whatever.  

 

 

Because 5 radars per team is not excessive perhaps? You guys make me laugh, a lot.

 

 

 

 

Dude, even if you were the 10th radar on your team you wouldn't be in a position to influence any match to your team's benefit.

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1 hour ago, Infiriel said:

We didn`t need a Shima concealment buff - it might not be (or have been) the stealthies, but it`s the fastest IJN DD IIRC so unlike Kagero, and Yugumo it can disengage, and run.

What we need is a nerf to radars - especially the fact, that it goes through mountains.

 

Well it's far from being the fastest DD out there, and if you cap you're not going to keep speed.

 

Shima doesn't accelerate that well and in any case you wont out run a rain of shell, especially from iddle.

5 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

Yes good idea, lets have radar like it is in real life.....on permanently!!!  Then you can really whine. If you want to play the game without using the tools to their full potential thus being at a disadvantage to other players due to stupidity and stubbornness then that's your choice. Coming to the forum and whining about it only provides entertainment to the rest of us as brainless posting tends to get jumped on. 

 

I am also aware that you mainly do this sort of stuff for trolling and attention seeking purposes as you did for years on the WOT forum (you performed legendary stupidity over there) and the amount of 'leave me alone you bullies' posts were comical, especially as half the time you instigated the insults. :Smile_sceptic:

 

 

 

Even if radar were ON the whole game, you wouldn't be able to detect a DD from behind a rock, or a DD concealed by an island, so in many case a DD would be able to cap without the fear of being detected by a ship who's "captain" doesn't have what it takes to get in the line of sight to achieve detection, either maneuvering skills, ship (signature larger than another DD) or both that's a first point.

 

Second, when it comes to trolling and attention grabbing i think you might be referring to all the unrelated personal attack or name calling we see some of you consistently using in order to try to silence those who dare voicing a different opinion, i think this is not the first time nor the first topic nor the first poster who experienced that is it? Old habits never dies, that's why there are some clear definitions of cyberbullying in some civilised countries as well as laws to punish the offender.

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OP. Most people in this game are playing checkers, some are playing chess. No disrespect, you seem to be playing hopscotch.

 

Have you ever used radar?

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"cyberbullying" lol.

Dude : 

- You whine

- You aren't a good player

- You refuse negative feedback

- You refuse constructive feedback

- Then you get all aggressive at people pointing your nonsensical thread and lack of game knowledge (I didn't forget how you tried to explains to the whole forum how we don't know spotting mechanics)

- Then you starts sounding like a victim and complain we aren't nice to you.

 

How about you REFLECT a bit and try thinking like an adult, instead of talking like a child that thinks everything will be forgiven once he starts crying ?

Grow up and take your responsibilities.

 

Call me a bully, I don't care. I'm only pointing out facts.

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1 godzinę temu, ThinderChief napisał:

Well it's far from being the fastest DD out there, and if you cap you're not going to keep speed.

 

Shima doesn't accelerate that well and in any case you wont out run a rain of shell, especially from iddle.

Yeah, but those faster DD`s were getting outspotted hard by Shima even without it`s current buff.

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2 hours ago, ThinderChief said:

Even if radar were ON the whole game, you wouldn't be able to detect a DD from behind a rock, or a DD concealed by an island, so in many case a DD would be able to cap without the fear of being detected by a ship who's "captain" doesn't have what it takes to get in the line of sight to achieve detection, either maneuvering skills, ship (signature larger than another DD) or both that's a first point.

Why fear being detected when you have have island cover? Sure you're detected but that doesn't matter much when they can't shoot you. 

Chapayev has 20 second radar active time. Unless you're sitting duck in front of him there's nothing much to worry other than to get cover or flee. The only real worry is the 9 km radar of RN/USN which lasts a lot longer. Fleeing from 9km radar is hardly a problem. And as I said, island cover saves you.

 

There's so much useful advice given here to help you tackle the problem. Your desires aren't going to get fulfilled with a magic wand. Unfortunately, there's only two options for you: 

1) Appreciate advice and try to follow them. There's no harm in doing so. Being a forum user, the only thing you can get/give is advice or suggestion. You can't expect WG to do it exactly as you say and tailor the game for your needs. The world itself brings change through a collective effort and not because of one person alone. What I'm trying to say is that you need to influence others to make a change. As to this scenario, no one likes your idea or your attitude. Best is to change it.

 

2) Leave the game. You don't have the power to bring the changes that you desire nor are you influencing others to think the same way as you. That doesn't mean your're the only guy who has the power of thinking here. If you think the same, you urgently need to get your facts checked.

 

 This is reality, sire. I'm not bringing stats or skill into consideration. Your attitude towards advice and other people's opinion makes you an arrogant douche-bag. If you thought you could come here and make people agree with you, you're in the wrong place. You seem to blindly believe in yourself without trying to understand why people are telling you so. No one thinks that your suggestion is stupid, but there are other issues that needs to be taken care of. Nothing will change with your arrogance. 

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Gearing will eat sooo much more AP shells on its way to spot shimas now, in contrast to before the patch... just .5% difference between WR now. Gearing will have a tougher time when the primary food source won't be found :Smile_sad:

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On 4/25/2018 at 10:59 AM, ThinderChief said:

Very simple: I do NOT play O.P ships, meaning NOT a top 5 win rate ship or radar ship from tVIII to tX, for figures look at Warships statistics i consider them unfair and refuse to give to this play style.

 

Every single time i play a destroyer at these tiers, it would be either the Kagero or the Shimakaze, torp boats. The Shima is weak, nerfed torps with abysmal reload time, below average guns,  low HP, i get detonated by a Kagero two tiers under etc, but before radar started to breed like rabbits it was still manageable.

 

Now it's near impossible to cap, let alone to win a game when there are a multitude of radar ships in the opposite team and i counted up to 5 = FIVE of them in a single game.

 

The result is always the same, my team looses DDs like flies to a cloud of DTT, next thing we know if we have any cruiser in a smoke cloud, he is next on the list if not first because they can't hope to maneuver as fast as a DD, we can try flanking, targeting the radars since it is most likely that you'll get radared while spotting your life expectation is proportionate to the number of radars in the game.

 

When i am lucky enough to be on the "right" side of this bad equation, i generally win, but it is less likely while playing a Shima, and i gave up on US Dds since i don't like their gun characteristics, so what gives? 

 

Will W.G ever look at balancing the game so that a category of players doesn't get screwed over systematically this way?

 

Shimakaze is the weakest of its type at tX and there is a reason, with an average win rate below 49%, i'm sure no one will claim that this is due to bad players, although i saw BB players hitting the "capture this area" repeatedly when there was 4 or more radars in the opposite team, even firing at you when you preferred to wait and spot them before moving on the cap, then blaming DDs for loosing the game, take some doing.

 

With a team of good players, one or two radars per game is still winnable, they will naturally try to kill them and respond when you call for fire support after spotting them, so as to provide you with some breathing space and allow you to cap, with your average XP farmer, forget about it, they won't even try, they will rather loose the game killing the enemy DD you out-spot and can control than the radar which is going to take your stealth away from you just by pressing a key. Where is the skill in that?

 

Now, add to that Z-52 (3rd win rate), on Khabarovsk that no one seems able to hit when you need fire support and you get the picture. last game i spotted the Chapayev which my team failed to kill, we lost two DDs in less than 5mn (myself included), the cap and probably the game before either DD could pile up any real damage, talk about being screwed.

 

I have countless screenshots of this radar unbalance, so i know there is an issue here. Let's expose it.

 

 

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Mate with all these radar cruisers today, I just keep at the back and attack with my DD when I see Battleship opportunities these days. 
Let the damn cruiser go cap, they have the damn abilities to do so either way. DDs aren't their servants because we do not get spotting damage rewards either way. Screw them.

 

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9 minutes ago, Fediuld said:

 

Mate with all these radar cruisers today, I just keep at the back and attack with my DD when I see Battleship opportunities these days. 
Let the damn cruiser go cap, they have the damn abilities to do so either way. DDs aren't their servants because we do not get spotting damage rewards either way. Screw them.

 

 

That's what many players seems to be thinking those days.

 

Hitting the "capture this area" key looks good but when you know what's on the opposing team you realise they haven't got a clue and probably never had a look at the teams composition.

 

When there are too many radar ships anyway i won't cap, i will try to spot them before or wait until i know where they are, if there is a chance i can cap without being radared then i'll do it, the other issue being fire support, meaning

Z-52, Khabarovsk, Yueyang which presents the higher level of threat for the Shima, if your team isn't up to it you won't last long if you're unfortunate enough to be spotted with those around.

 

 

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2 hours ago, ShinGetsu said:

"cyberbullying" lol.

Dude : 

- You whine

- You aren't a good player

- You refuse negative feedback

- You refuse constructive feedback

- Then you get all aggressive at people pointing your nonsensical thread and lack of game knowledge (I didn't forget how you tried to explains to the whole forum how we don't know spotting mechanics)

- Then you starts sounding like a victim and complain we aren't nice to you.

 

How about you REFLECT a bit and try thinking like an adult, instead of talking like a child that thinks everything will be forgiven once he starts crying ?

Grow up and take your responsibilities.

 

Call me a bully, I don't care. I'm only pointing out facts.

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2 hours ago, Infiriel said:

Yeah, but those faster DD`s were getting outspotted hard by Shima even without it`s current buff.

 

Erm, no, before today's buff to Shima detection it was at 6.0km.

 

Grozevoi 6km detection - same as Shima

Gearing and Yueyang 5.9km (they're basically about the same)- tiny bit better than Shima

Z52 6.1km - worse than Shima

Khaba - well it's way worse, but it's not played even slightly the same as Shima, it's not a cap contesting ship in most cases so irrelevant.

 

Shima will be better and more in line with its predecessors which are the sneaky torpedo boats with the buff.

 

It's always been a decent ship IF you play to its strengths, use the right torpedoes (the 20km ones are total junk) and engage a braincell. Admittedly after all the cries of bullying from a certain poster I do wonder if the braincell is the issue...

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Played a couple of games with the shima. Since I now have detection advantage over anything not  kagero/harekaze/yugamo I decided to take the F3 torps out for a spin. Actually pretty good, gives you s different advantage when in a cap.

Still need in depth knowledge of when/where radar will be but otherwise better than before

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