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  1. So, i thought it'd be fun to write a little post on one of the largest fleets during WW1: the german High Seas Fleet, or Hochseeflotte. Enjoy, but LONG POST WARNING! The German Hochseeflotte Origins At the end of the 19th century, Brittain was the undisputed ruler of the waves. Many countries tried to compete, but all failed in the end. The Royal Navies ships were many, her crews well trained and her deeds and heroes were legendary. But in the middle of that same century, a new european power arose. After two wars with Austria-Hungary and France the German states were united under the rule of Kaiser Wilhelm the first, the first Kaiser (Emperor) of das Deutches Reich, the German Empire. Under Kaiser Wilhelm I and his Chancellor Otto von Bismarck the German Empire quickly evolved into a economic and industrial powerhouse. Creating a vast rail network, industrial sites and implemented laws to create one of the first welfare states. So you could say life was good for the Germans...this changed when Wilhem I died, aged 91. He was succeeded by his son, Frederick III, which died only 99 days later of cancer at the age of 56. So here we introduce Kaiser Wilhelm II, son of Frederick and Princess Victoria (yes, the one from the UK), and grandson of Queen Victoria, the ruler of the British Empire. And to be honest: he was a bit of a loony. He turned out to be a militaristic, reckless and autoritarion ruler who had a habit of turning friends into enemies.He was also jealous, jealous of the British Empire and the Royal Navy to be exact. Under his rule Germany aquired colonies in Africa and Asia and...fully supported Admiral von Tirpitz in the creation of a navy to "secure Germanies survival". Tirpitz came with a "risk theory", stating that if Germany built ships to a ration of 2:3 when compared to the Royal Navy, it would be strong enough to damage the RN in such a way that even when defeated it would cause the Royal navy to lose its place as strongest navy in the world. But being German, he didnt concider losing to be an option anyway. In 1898 the first German naval law was passed by the Reichstag (the German government), allowing the construction of 19 battleships (pre-dreadnoughts), 8 coastal defence ships, 6 large- and 18 small cruisers and 12 divisions of torpedo boats. After the Boer war and Boxer rebellion the second naval law was passed, allowing these numbers to be doubled to 38 battleships, 20 large cruisers and 38 small cruisers. Quite ambitious, no? Dreadnoughts? Yes please! So, Germany started building ships. The British reaction? Initially not really impressed, they were more busy with the French and Russian navies of the time...until the moment that the British public got wind of the German plans (and having heard of Germany's industrial capacity) they were genuinely concerned. At this time Admiral John Fisher took over as the First Sea Lord and greatly reformed the navy. Brittain formed alliances with France and Japan so it could move more battleships to the North Sea and stated "Our only probable enemy is Germany. Germany keeps her whole Fleet always concentrated within a few hours of England. We must therefore keep a Fleet twice as powerful concentrated within a few hours of Germany." And if this didnt mess up German plans for naval supremacy, the launch of HMS Dreadnought messed it up even more. Tirpitz's response? Three amendments to his naval laws, ordering the construction of 24 battleships (dreadnoughts), 8 battlecruisers and 18 light cruisers. Note that up to 1912 (when the last amendment was passed) Germany and Great Brittain tried to reach a compromise in an effort to de-escalate this arms race, but both nations refused to back down. It is interesting to note that Brittain at this point had lost interest in a classic "decisive battle" and had already made plans to blockade German ports, as they actually did during the war. So, what capital ships did they actually build? (up to 1918) In a short time, the Germans managed to build a remarkable amount of ships including a whole lot of torpedoboats, destroyers and various cruisers. But as these are too numerous, i'll just stick with the capital ships. For a full list. see HERE Pre-Dreadnoughts Brandenburg class: 4 built Kaiser Friedrich III class: 5 built Wittelsbach class: 5 built Braunschweig class: 5 built Deutschland class: 5 built Dreadnoughts Nassau class: 4 built Helgoland class: 4 built Kaiser class: 5 built Köning class: 4 built Bayern class: 4 planned, 2 built Battlecruisers Von der Tann class: 1 built Moltke class: 2 built Seydlitz class: 1 built Derfflinger class: 3 built Further planned capital ships Mackensen class battlecruiser: 4 planned and under construction Ersatz Yorck class battlecruiser:3 planned, 1 under construction Note that it was German (and Austian) policy not to name ships before they are launched, "ersatz" means "replacement", therefore the Ersatz Yorck class were replacements for the older Yorck class armored cruisers. This adds up to 24 pre-dreadnoughts, 14 dreadnoughts (with 2 under construction) and 7 battlecruisers (with 5 under construction and 2 more planned). Not exactly the numbers Tirpitz wanted, but still quite an achievement, considering Germany didn't have the number of shipyards Brittain had. Differences from British Dreadnoughts Generally speaking, the German dreadnoughts were roughly equals to their British counterparts. The major difference is that German ships were more heavily armored, sacrificing speed and firepower for durability. This was probably done to compensate for the smaller number of ships Germany could field against Brittain, but at this moment i can't find a reliable source to back this up. Anyway, because of this earlier German dreadnought generally had smaller guns than their British counterparts, putting 11" guns against British 12" guns and 12" guns against 13.5" guns. Only the Bayern class was (gun-wise) an equal to the British Queen Elizabeth and Revenge classes, but was heavily outnumbered by them (2 Bayerns against a total of 10 QE's and Revenges). However, as the battle of Jutland and the battle of the Falklands proved, German gunnery was more accurate and their shells more reliable, which negated this difference somewhat. The fleet in action I will not go in detail with all the actions undertaken by the Highseas fleet, but will list the most important ones: First Battle of Heligoland Bight: First naval battle of the war, German defeat with the loss of 1 destroyer Action of 22 September 1914: Destruction of 3 British cruisers by 1 u-boat Raid on the British coast: bombardment of 3 British towns, caused quite a fuss in the UK. Firstbattle of Dogger Bank: The first action involving battlecruisers from both sides. And ofcourse the battle of Jutland: the battle which had to decide naval supremacy in the North Sea, but ended in the same stalemate. Usually seen as a German tacical victory (more ships sunk), but a British strategic victory as the British could maintain their blockade of German ports. Also worthy of note are the actions of Vice Admiral Maximilian von Spee, namely the Battle of Coronel and The battle of the Falkland Islands The end of a fleet At the end of the war the fleet did not fulfill its desired goal: gain supremacy over the North Sea from the Royal Navy. The policy of the Kaiser didn't help much either: for any major fleet action he had to personally give his approval. This resulted in the fleet being more in port than out of it. This combined with the overall progress of the war resulted in passive resistance onboard ships in 1917 to a full mutiny in the last days before the armistice of 1918, preventing one final fleet action. After the armistice, the entire hochseeflotte was escorted to the British naval base of Scapa Flow (under the escort of a massive allied fleet of 370 warships) where the ships, together with a skeleton crew, were held captive until the victorious nations had decided wat to do with them. On the 21st of June 1919, while the bulk of the British fleet were out on maneuvers, read admiral Ludwig von Reuter ordered all ships to be scuttled, to prevent them from falling into enemy hands. (as two days later the formal peace treaty was signed, formally handing over the entire fleet to the British. Exactly that which von Reuter wished to avoid, but he was unaware that it had been delayed by two days, the 21st was the original deadline of the treaty) This caused the allies to call German navy personel cowards and "men without honor", but British Admiral Wemyss later said: "I look upon the sinking of the German fleet as a real blessing. It disposes once and for all the thorny question of the redistribution of these ships" When Admiral van Reuter and his men returned to Germany they were recieved as heroes, with Admiral Scheer (the German commander of the Battle of Jutland) saying: "I rejoice. The stain of surrender has been wiped from the escutcheon of the German Fleet. The sinking of these ships has proved that the spirit of the fleet is not dead. This last act is true to the best traditions of the German navy." Was it worth it? Was it worth it to build such a grand fleet? In my opinion: no. The German fleet would always have been outnumbered by the British, no matter how many hig quality ships they build. Also the creation of the hochseeflotte put a tremendous strain on the German economy. It was the first time in Germany's history that it had to borrow money, just for some warships. However, did this fleet start the war? Yes and no. Yes, it did start an naval armsrace which still has no equal. However, it was the militaristic an authoritarian rule of Kaiser Wilhelm II that actually did the most damage. He destroyed all friendly ties Germany had with Brittain (as they were quite friendly during the reign of Wilhelm I) out of jealousy and, more or less, forced Austria-Hungary to invade Serbia after the assasination of Franz-Ferdinant. And the rest is history.
  2. Hey Guys, We are currently recruiting for our clan [RYLNV] The Royal Navy Elite Fleet. We are a British speaking clan of 9 strong, We are a mature bunch of guys (no kids) who love to play and most importantly have a laugh at the same time. We have a paid TeamSpeak channel, so if you wish to join the Clan and want to join in on the fun then please ask us for details of the server details. Thanks, Ice_Marine - Commander Royal___Navy - Deputy Commander SHUG_Sco - Deputy Commander
  3. gekkehenkie50

    What to do in this situation

    I have a question: When you are in any ship, be that a DD, BB or CA (CVs excluded in this case), what do you do when you meet the entire enemy fleet? This seems to happen to me alot; In Iowa, I often suddenly get spotted, and then the shells just start pouring in, my team wisely decides to turn around and run, but because I am being focused, and it is tier IX, I have no chance of retreat, except perhaps backing up... I have already made a post about the Iowa and how bad I am in her, but I noticed that this problem is not specific to her... Come to think of it, it can happen to any ship. I just played a game in Akizuki, and together with a fletcher we just cleared a headland, and bam, 1 ship... 2...3...5...7...9 it was at that point that I got the picture and steamed in the other direction, however; the enemy fleet deployed radar... I think it was the chapayev... so what do you do in a DD when radar is on and you still need to run 3km to get out of its AOE? I just did a wiggle wiggle shake and prayed :S. I survived with 2K hp left, the fletcher didnt get away... so, now crippled I tried to flank around the enemy and let them pass me by... they just turned on radar again and surrounded me. My questions are: What can you do if you find yourself spotted, out in the open, in front of the entire enemy fleet? Is there any counter against radar for a DD?
  4. Is there a book or any source material of what the Royal Navy thought of the South Dakota and the Alabama while they were attached to the Home Fleet?
  5. Is there a book or any source material on what the Royal Navy thought of the South Dakota and the Alabama while they were attached to Home Fleet?
  6. How can we play together? It is very important in order to continue investing time in this game. If not possible in the main game, then perhaps able to create a custom game so we can all have fun by sinking each other's ships. Often there are more than 10 friends playing together. Some of them play competitively in other games and if they are so inclined they may play competitively in WoWS too. If we can't all play together what's the fun in that? Did anyone think of the possibility someone wants to play with 10 players together against all others as a guild/fleet?
  7. Tenacity Defence Force is a section within the Tenacity Gaming Community and will conduct itself under the same guidelines! Non Toxic Community 16+ age limit. (very few exceptions) Curse Chat Client We have several members who play World of Warships, we are looking for some new captains to join our ranks for fleeting up and joining our in game group. TDF - play many other games, such as Space engineers - Elite Dangerous and the up and coming Dual Universe, However you can join us on any games, we are an open community. Visit us at: Tenacity Gaming : Forums Curse Server Link: https://curse.com/invite/yTXBEsver0qzymzBw4KfVg We are an OPEN community, this means you can come and go as you please, there are no requirements other than to be on our chat client and be a non toxic, friendly individual. Tenacity is a great place for new players, our members will always help those who need a bit of experience to guide them. Several of our members Stream on Twitch! if you want to see our boys screaming like little girls in the thick of War that's the place to see them. Tenacity Gaming Twitch Channel