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  1. “CV” —

    The Asashio situation is set, no more good to be done further fussing over it. Time to focus on the only thing I truly care about, CVs. It would be best that we write whatever we want to write, and say whatever we want to say, this time, before WG finishes the wip on the CV rework. For once they finish this rework it is unlikely they will do another. The purpose of this thread is two-fold. One is to gather ideas from the forums on what we should examine whilst considering this CV rework. From what perspectives, using what methods, asking what questions, gathering what data and insights, would an analytical approach to the intention of CV rework benefit from. Two is to gather personal ideas on what is the most definitive, representative, singular and final view of CV you hold. What is your version of the definitive CV experience. What in your imagination is the concept of the CV. What is your most symbolic experience in the old CVs. What do you hope for in the new. What will you carry on in memory to the new. I myself will be preparing a writeup akin to a mini-version of notes. It will be subject to some of the same standards, but will be exclusively focused on CV in context of this rework. It will be a bit tasking so I should probably not waste any more attention cracking jokes and ranting sarcasm for a while. Seeing which aspects of the CV the people on the forums believe is important will also help me in defining my own plan and approach to the concept, while reading on the experiences and memories of fellow CV players will possibly provide insight and inspiration. Thus I would like to invite you to please kindly post your “last words” for CVs, and your “final say” on this concept, in this thread. I personally wish this collective memory of CVs to be exempt from meaner, rougher thoughts, as well as dismissive treatment in its characterisation, if possible. We need not patronise nor objectify WG in this either; as ideally concepts are just concepts, pure and ideal. Remember the CVs as what not we had managed to make of them, but as what they deserve to be, and what their portrayal carries collectively and ideally, timeless and final.
  2. There was a time where other classes pervaded the games in numbers that were simply too large to manage. Carriers and destroyers both have had their day of dominance. There are things that pervade the class, the developers, and the community at large that makes it so that battleships are such a problem where carriers and destroyers never were. The Battleship Class The problem with battleships has escalated to the point where event the most virulent defendants of the status quo can't even pretend that there isn't a problem anymore. Admittedly this was like waiting until we have to start rowing to work before we start cutting down on coal power plants, but progress is progress. Wargaming's slow and iterative changes to the class could most charitably be seen as a way to not cause the class collapse formerly seen in the carrier class and uncharitably seen as the development team having some perverse sexual attraction to battleships (glass houses, I know) but the change is welcome regardless. Carriers and battleships both can be played without employing different tactical considerations depending on targets and both essentially exist outside of the hard counter system that means that most cruisers are incredibly weak towards battleships and that destroyers are incredibly weak towards cruisers but that battleships aren't particularly weak towards destroyers. Even in the context of 'anti-battleship' cruiser lines like the French or Russians, the damage that the cruiser does to the battleship could be returned with interest with just a few lucky shots should the circumstances conspire towards it and the same could be said about carriers if the matchmaker was particularly vindictive that day. Many similar issues exists as, depending on the game circumstance, explicitly AA based cruisers could be ripped to pieces by carriers. There is a battleship plague problem however and not a carrier plague. Whilst this could simply be traced back to the fact that battleships are easy to play whilst carriers aren't, the problem is often more difficult than that and solving the issue by introducing artificial difficulty to the battleship class as an equivalent to the lags and UI errors of the CV class will fail to address the core of the issue. By making the interclass interaction more similar to that between carriers, destroyers and the other classes, battleships would be able to be brought in line. Whether or not this is desirable however is another matter. Currently, Wargaming's approach to re-balancing battleships is very much focused on how battleships interact with the other classes. The spotter plane nerf meant that they did not have the 5 minute resistance to torpedoes that the twin catapult fighters once offered. The changes to smoke mechanics meant that they would not be able to ambush cruisers and destroyers as easily. Among the changes closest to the top of the priority list was the ability of battleships to cause catastrophic damage to destroyers and their ability to use just one ammunition type for close to any circumstance. War Gaming has also stated that they objected to the excessive survivability of battleships. The issue has been raised multiple times and the changes that are being made are slow but there. This might be controversial but I do not see the ability for battleships to one-shot destroyers, never have to switch ammunition type, or even survive better than the other classes as the primary cause of the problem we see. I think the remaining issue with battleships can't be solved by changing the ways that battleships interact with other classes as much as it would likely need to come down to the options that other ships have in dealing with battleships. Whilst this may sound pedantic, it very much is and I don't know why you thought it was possible to read something written by me that doesn't collapse into pedantic arguments over terms that ultimately just ends with me declaring victory over whoever I was arguing with despite the fact that everyone who gets stuck in an internet argument has already lost. Anyways, on to the main topic. Carriers, destroyers & the Problem of Choice Wargaming largely depends on the classes to balance each other and this has led to endless grief for everyone involved. Apart from battleships. Obviously. Destroyers, battleships, and carriers all depart from the general template and have benefits that are essentially technically exclusive to them. At their worst, the game degraded into cheese tactics beyond comparison. The Shimakaze's wall of death is remembered to this day, the wall that dooms even the most agile of destroyers and covered the maps from border to border. Then of course there was the Hakuryuu with her quintuple Kamikaze attack, the name not coming from the fact that you could use her planes to commit suicide against enemy ships as much as from the fact that her torpedo bombers carried the payload of five Kamikaze class destroyers. There were various eventual nerfs to those ships, but even whilst it lasted they were not nearly as ubiquitous as battleships are as a class in the present day and that is largely due to the fact that conditional population control mechanics are built into the game to manage the numbers of carriers and destroyers in such a way that battleships simply aren't. The Lesson No One Learned Battleship players, more so than players of any other ship class, are fundamentally selfish and are encouraged to be selfish thanks to the game mechanics. This might not be a revelation to most, but the selfishness of the battleship and the way that game mechanics works makes it so that it promotes battleships. For those unfamiliar with game theory, it could be best simplified as a way to predict the actions of selfish and perfectly rational agents. Humans aren't perfectly rational, but over a large amount of time and with the smallest level of self awareness the actions of even an online game like World of Warships could be approximated as rational. Players can observe their own results and apply what they've learn, and so players will slowly move towards the state of maximum profit for minimum effort. Players without the imagination to do this could always just copy the tactic of players that do. When discussing the balance between battleships and other classes, the topic does often steer towards the things that other classes outdo battleship in. Destroyers are far stealthier than battleships, could go the entire game without being spotted, and could carry games on literally 1 point of HP. Cruisers have significantly better DPM, tools like radar, defensive fire, hydroacoustics, smoke screens, and a plethora of other things that could be employed for the team's benefit. Carriers have unparalleled reconnaissance abilities and the ability to herd the entire enemy fleet. Next to all of that, it may superficially seem like better armor and more health would be a small thing. This however is just an obfuscation of the issue. I would like to make one last note. When I look at battleships, I can't help but see the very worst parts of carrier gameplay back when full strike carriers were still a thing. Facing another full strike carrier is rare, but when it happens it was quite memorable. I grinded through the Lexington in full strike configuration back when she still had that. I faced another strike Lexington on Northern Lights one battle. We all but ignored each other, flying our bombers past each other to bomb the enemy into oblivion. It was a constant damage race and that game I won by a sliver. If I had lost that match, I would likely have blamed the team for their failings and posted a screenshot online so I could have a laugh about it. I managed 170k that match in a tier X game but I did essentially nothing to protect the team from the enemy. I didn't scout in order to maximize my cycle time and I didn't communicate with the allied team whatsoever. When writing this, I couldn't help but think back to what I did back then and how much it reminded me of the things I wrote here. Battleships reaped the benefits of cruisers, destroyers, and carriers. I reaped the benefit of my team staying in between the enemy and myself and used them as an expendable shield to farm damage. The game is ultimately selfish and comes down to how much players can personally get from the game and changing a few values on a few ships will not change that.
  3. Strike Groups - 16 Team Tournament

    Strike Groups A unique gameplay mode not currently offered in Warships. Currently Carrier gameplay is either solitary 1v1 or unorganised 2v2 (Tier 7 and below) matches in random battles. In “competitive” game modes Carriers are excluded from Clan Battles and in King of the Sea, the Carrier is relegated to a glorified scout unable to effectively strike (until very late-game) due to the hostile Anti-Air & Defensive fire nature of Tier 8-10 gameplay. There is no gamemode similar to the Battle of Midway for example with organised Strike groups battling it out against each other. So lets make our own then! In this 3CV1BB game mode, the Strike Group must learn to work together in the chaotic battle-space on April the 28th 2018! The Gameplay ruleset is a little different from anything done before. Team composition: Teams must consist of three carriers and one battleship All ships must be Tier 7 Maximum of two Premium ships allowed per team Each premium must be unique (ie one of each only) Hiryu and Saipan must played in a “Balanced setup” Hiryu 2-2-2, Saipan 2-2-0 Teams that bring 3-1-2 or 3-0-1 setups will forfeit that game! Tournament format: (Glossary; Game = Single battle between two teams, Round = Best of 3 played games) 16 teams in a single elimination format tournament on the European Server Each round of the tournament is played in a Best of 3 games format Maps: Both teams play as North and South on the map “Okinawa” Tiebreaker (1-1 score) games are played on the map “Ocean” Game format: Battles take place in the "Training Room" Game mode is “Standard Battle” with 20 minutes gametime Teams must take screenshots of the match result to help resolve any disputes At least one member of a team must have replays enabled to help resolve any disputes Teams can swap lineups after each game Teams can “gg” to admit defeat in a game Game Victory conditions; Sink all enemy ships Capture enemy base Win by ingame points if 20 minutes gametime expires If a Draw occurs (equal points after 20 minutes) neither team scores a point If score is 1-0 and a draw occurs neither team scores a point. The team with 1 point wins the best of 3 (tiebreaker is only for 0-0 or 1-1 scores) If first game ends in a draw, the winner of the second game wins the best of 3 (tiebreaker is only for 0-0 or 1-1 scores) If the second game results in a draw the Tiebreaker is played (ie 0-0 score after two games) If a tiebreaker game ends in a draw the winning team is decided by most enemy planes killed In the highly unlikely event a tiebreaker ends in a draw and both teams have equal enemy plane kills… I’m going to flip a coin. Teams signup: Teams can sign up via our Discord, or in this thread (only requests after 7th April 09:00 CEST will secure a position in the tournament) Sign up is on a first come basis Teams sign up as either from a Clan group or a custom named team (ie multiple teams from one clan or members from multiple clans coming together to form one team) Teams can be no larger than 5 players (4 active & 1 reserve) Teams that sign up must provide a roster of their members No player can play for more than one team/clan Discord: Discord is the main platform for answering questions and posting updates for teams. At least one of your team members must be available on discord. You can join using this link Rewards: Thanks to WarGaming for providing prizes to the top three placed teams First place is awarded a Tier 7 Premium Battleship or Aircraft Carrier of choice Second place is awarded 25 x FTW Camouflage + 25 x Hydra signal Third place is awarded 7 days premium (bonus code) Schedule & Stream: Entire tournament takes place over Saturday the 28th April 2018 First Round starts at 14:00 CEST with the Finals ending no later than 20:00 CEST Estimated Round Start times can be found here Challonge Tournament Bracket Link can be found after we have 16 signed up teams (I hope we get 16!) Most of the tournament will be casted & streamed by Farazelleth (ie me) @ twitch.tv/farazelleth Anyone else wishing to cast additional games please feel free to get in contact. Signups will open on Saturday the 7th of April at 09:00 CEST Please read the rules fully before registering
  4. Fragen zum CV spielen

    Hallo WoWs-Kapitäne, ich fahre zur Zeit vor allem Schlachtschiffe und ein bisschen Kreuzer und DDs. Ich würde aber auch sehr gerne Flugzeugträger spielen. Bisher habe ich erste Erfahrungen mit den CVs in den Coop-Gefechten gesammelt und bin inzwischen bei den Amis und den Japanern auf Tier 5 bei den CVs. Eines vorneweg: Ich bin sicher nicht der beste Spieler, will aber lernen. Ich habe noch nicht viele Gefechte und vieles ist sicher Ausbaufähig. (allen voran die Situational Awareness und die globale Taktik) Leider sind viele Guides hier ziemlich outdated, deswegen stelle ich hier mal meine Fragen zu den Carriern: - Welche Nation sollte ich als Anfänger spielen? Die US CVs oder doch die Japanischen CVs? Die Amis haben anscheinend eine bessere Luftüberlegenheit, machen dafür aber kaum Schaden an gegnerischen Schiffen. Bei den Japanern ist es genau umgekehrt. Fahre ich die Bogue, dann mache ich nicht genug Schaden um meinem Team helfen zu können. Wenn ich aber den japanischen Tier 5 CV spiele, dann verliere ich meine Flugzeuge und kann auch keinen Schaden machen. Ich weiß also überhaupt nicht, was ich hier wählen soll? - Welches Setup soll ich im Falle der Japaner wählen? Leider gibt es auf Tier 4 und 5 keinen manuellen Drop mehr. Und strafen können die Jäger auch nicht. :-( Viele Grüße Sebi
  5. Problems with CV controls?

    Since 0.7.2 update CV controls produce really weird issues for me (did not play CVs when 0.7 hit so no idea how it looked on relase): - generally less responsive than in 0.6 - problems with drawing selection box over squadrons (fails to select all squadrons in the box or does not draw box at all) - it seems I can not remove squadron from a takeoff queue (as I remember it was possible by right clicking, or am I remembering that wrong?) - yesterday at the end of my third match in Ryujo, I lost capability to do >>anything<< with left mouse click - could not order squadrons, check different screens in post match report. LMB did not work in port either (had to kill game via task manager) - this happened after the mini patch. Do other captains have similar problems? Trying to figure if its problem with my laptop, or just WoWs.
  6. Fanmade Carrier Splitt (CV and CVE/CVL)

    Hi all My friend Seefelder and i were thinking about the Carrier gamplay and came up with an idea, to split the Carriers in two new groups: light/escort Carrier and Carriers. This fanmade gameplay will come up with 3 full sets of CV / CVE/CVL Techtrees. USN, IJN and Royal Navy. The Gamplay would be like this: Light/escort would take the lead as supporter and hunter, while the Carrier would mainly strike. This means light/escort Carrier would have more fighters then the Carrier. The fightersquadron on Carriers will be reduced to 1 group. Airsplane configuration Light/escort: 2 to 3 fighters and 1 to 2 dive bombers/torpedo bomber (depending of its tier) Carrier: 1 fighter, 1-3 dive bombers and 1-3 torpedo bombers (depending on its tier) Techtree USN US CV Splitt (CV and CVE/CVL) Ship tier Tier IV Tier V Tier VI Tier VII Tier VIII Tier IX Tier X Ship Name Long Island Charger Casablanca Sangamon Commencment Bay Independence Wright Note CVE-1 CVE-30 CVE-56 CVE-26 CVE-105 / AP-Bombs Uptiered CVL-22 / AP-Bombs CVL-49 / Saipan Class / AP-Bombs Configuration 2/1/0 2/1/0 2/1/0 2/1/1 2/1/1 2/1/1 3/1/1 Hangar 26 28 (Original 30) 30 (Original 28) 32 34 36 (Original 33) 42 Ship Name Langley Bouge Ranger Lexington Wasp Essex Midway Note Downtiered Downtiered New Configuration 1/1/1 1/1/1 1/2/1 1/2/2 1/2/2 1/3/2 1/3/3 Hangar 26 33 76 78 95 100 137 IJN IJN CV Splitt (CV and CVE/CVL) Ship tier Tier IV Tier V Tier VI Tier VII Tier VIII Tier IX Tier X Ship Name Hosho Zuiho Chitose Shinyo Ryuho Ryujo G18 (Ryusho) Note Techtree Change Techtree Change CVL CVE 1943 as Build CVL Uptiered CVL Project CVL Configuration 2/1/1 2/0/2 2/1/2 2/1/2 2/1/2 3/1/2 3/1/2 Hangar 24 30 30 33 36 48 48 (Project 42) Ship Name Taiyo Hiyo Hiryu Unryu Shokaku Taiho Hakuryu Note New CVE New and to balance Downtiered New Configuration 1/1/2 1/2/2 1/2/2 1/2/2 1/2/3 1/3/3 1/3/3 Hangar 30 (Original 27) 40 (Original 54) 73 75 (Original 73) 84 90 (Original 82) 100 Royal Navy RN CV Splitt (CV and CVE/CVL) Ship tier Tier IV Tier V Tier VI Tier VII Tier VIII Tier IX Tier X Ship Name Argus Hermes Unicorn Furious Majestic Centaur Colossus Note New and to balance New and to balance Configuration 2/0/1 2/0/1 2/1/1 2/1/1 2/1/1 3/1/1 3/1/2 Hangar 22 (Original 18) 25 (Original 20) 33 36 37 42 48 Ship Name Eagle Courageous Audacious Illustrious Arc Royal Implacable Malta Note New and to balance Configuration 1/1/1 1/1/2 1/1/2 1/2/2 1/2/2 1/2/3 1/3/3 Hangar 30 42 (Original 48) 60 65 (Original 55) 72 81 108 What do you think about it.
  7. Propsed CV gameplay chances

    I like playing CVs, but i honestly believe that it was a mistake of WG to bring fleet or attack carriers into the game.... the whole concept is just to op in itself. A single essex class CV could wipe out a whole flotilla after all. The large carriers changed naval warfare for ever. Similiar to submarines they flipped the concept of "bigger guns equals stronger ship" on it's head. If WG had decided to just use light or escort carriers the problem would most likly not be such an issue. But since we have these large carriers in the game, we need to work with them somehow. In my opinion i think the CVs are pretty good balanced up till and including tier 6, the light carriers independence and ryujo. Those ships can have a great impact on the game, but can't single handenly mop the floor with half of the enemy team. There is quite a harsh limit of what they can do. Starting with the attack carriers on tier 7 this class receives quite a meta shift. A single ship is now able to at least counter a good part of the enemy team all by itself or wipe them out completly. And the player's skill is far more essential on these tiers then before. Even in a match with 4 CVs if there is just one far better player on one team the enemy CVs will be rendered useless and in most cases either quite some BBs or DDs, too (depending on the CV/plane setuo used). While it is nice to feel powerful in these ships, it IS damping the overall fun of the game. At least in my eyes it is no fun what so ever if no one can do something against you. I do not believe that I'm a great CV player, maybe a good one but definitely not one of the unicorns out there. And even I still have a avg 55% win ratio in my CVs, heck even in my losses I usally was able to at least challenge the enemy CV if not being able to counter him/her completly. With less and less CV players I think WG really needs to address this issue sooner rather then later. But I don't waste my time here on ranting about it so here is a list of some of the key problems of CV gameplay I see in this game and a few suggestions to address them. Maybe some will find their way into the game, but at least I can get some peace of mind ;) 1. Too many squadrons on tier 7 and above: This is a problem mainly because of 2 reasons: It is an incredible skill wall. If you can handle all the micro management of your squadrons, then you can contribute a LOT to your team. Even as a bottom tier CV, you still spot enemies or wipe out targets of opportunity. But if a CV player is unable to pass this wall he/she is mostly dead weight to your team. No other class has such a high player skill requirement and such an impact if this is not met. Even a bad BB player can still land quite some DMG or at least be a meat shield. Even a bad DD player can still spot or land torpedo hits. But a bad CV player will be rendered useless failry early in the match and remains a points pinata for the the enemy team afterwards. This gives the CV the ability to be nearly everywhere on the map at the same time. A CV is able to perma spot all the capture circles or enemy DDs. This counters far too many plays by the enemy. It makes flanking or setting up an ambush quite hard or downright imossible for the enemy team. My suggestion would be to simply reduce the number of squads to not more then ~4. Maybe increase the size of planes per squad, but definitely limit the number of "arms" for a CV to use in the match. I personally believe I can handle the current amount (at least I'm telling that myself^^), but I often witness the enemy CV struggeling to manage all of his/her squads at the same time, especially if the are on different parts of the map. 2. DMG output: Yes a CV is suposed to punish the enemy. I can agree on that, but starting with tier 7/8 a CV can punish several enemies at the same time. I don't have much of a problem to take out 2 BBs with a single wave in a Shokaku ( to avoid further toxic comments on this: yes i can agree, that I probably was lucky on this or am just over estimating the capabilities of this ship). This is simply to much from a gamplay standpoint. It may be historically somewhat accurate but not really good for the game. I still would like to take out an enemy BB in one go. IF it is alone and only ONE enemy ship. The striking potential of a CV can simply wipe out a whole flank all by itself. This really needs a nerf. Simple suggestion: re-balance the DMG output of the strike planes. Reduce the torpedo DMG, increase the HE bomb alpha DMG and significantly reduce the DMG potential of AP bombs (around cruiser AP level should be more then enough). Generally limit the the average combined DMG of the whole strike wave to an amount equal to the average HP of BBs on the same tier. 3. Inter action with ship AA in combination with limited plane reserve: This is a problem mainly for inexpierenced CV players. With the current only-DPS-based AA system, a CV player needs to know the AA capabilities of ALL the ships he can meet in his CV. This again is increasing the skill requiert of the player or he will loose most of his planes without being able to do anything siginificant. Of course any ship needs to be able to defend itself from air attacks, but the way it is right now, 2-3 failed strikes render the CV useless for the team, since most of his planes will be shot down at this point. This again is a unique problem of this class. No other class has to worry about it's attacks not hitting the mark, which is simply a bit unfair. My suggestion would be to do ONE of two things: Remove the limit for plane reserve completly and INCREASE all ships' AA DPS. This way the enemy can defend his/her ship better from the air attack while at the same time the CV player doesn't need to worry about his reserves the whole time. REDUCE all ships' AA DPS and implement a system that with a higher AA raiting the ship can reduce the accuracy of the incoming strike planes. So for example coming in the AA range of a Des Moines will reduce the strike accuracy of a torpedo strike to the same amount as if the defensive AA consumable was used at all times. The consumable could increase the AA raiting/DPS of the ship by ~20-30% to make it still effective. Using this approuch the CV's strikes become less effective while at the same time failed strikes will be less punishing for the CV player. 4. Drop mechanic: Simply put: Auto-dropping a strike is only doing anything significant if the enemy is not paying attention at all. And especially for inexpierenced players it can be quite hard to correctly manual drop a strike. This again is only increasing the skill wall for the CV player while all other classes have aim assists on all their weapon systems. Simple suggestion: Additional markes in the drop UI could help a lot. An activation line for the torpedos can help a player to gauge the drop location better and a simple marker where the enemy ship will be if it continues to sail with the same course and speed after the dive bombers have commited to the drop could also help the CV player. I hope WG will think about these suggestions. If anyone has some other suggestions please do tell them in a constructive way ;) Edit* For all those who think I shouldn't speak on this: Newsflash: I'm allowed to do so. This is a forum for disussions not any development directive or anything. If you think I'm not skillful or experience enough in CV gameplay: Fair enough. I can see your point and would love to hear YOUR thoughts on this. What would you change? Or if you don't think it should change WHY do you think so? Are all those who keep saying that CV gameplay needs a rework just stupid/wrong? Maybe be constructive for a change. Just try to keep the drama/toxicity down a notch or two. Regards, Deus3x
  8. Me explico, llevo un tiempo viendo y jugueteando con los blindajes, y sin duda, hay cosas que o no están bien puestas, o bien son las bombas AP las que no están funcionando correctamente. Pasemos a la realidad, para poder suponer qué es lo que sería esperable. Una bomba AP, por supuesto, es una bomba con unas particularidades en el recubrimiento de dicha bomba y en la espoleta, para primero, permitir que penetren en ciertos materiales duros y segundo, que para que traspasado cierto umbral la bomba detone. Las bombas AP, realmente llevan menos cantidad de explosivo que sus equivalentes terrestres, pero es a cambio de que lleguen a donde deben, o donde realmente puedan hacer daño. La mortalidad de una bomba depende de su tamaño y peso, que deriva en una mayor o menor cantidad de explosivos, su forma (aunque salvo bombas especiales las normales ya están suficientemente "desarrolladas") y por supuesto del tipo de explosivos (al igual que pasa con los torpedos, el cambio del material explosivo a otro mucho más potente, por supuesto, pone en riesgo medidas que fueron pensadas incluso para bombas de mayor tamaño, pero no tan mortales, ya no digamos cuando sí son de esos tamaños. Por definición, es mejor, una capa gruesa de blindaje superior, a varias de inferior tamaño puestas consecutivamente una detrás de otra, como si fueran una sola, que totalicen el grosor anterior. Las bombas AP, pueden llegar a ser mortales, a veces porque impactan en lugares vitales (estaciones de control de daños, puentes, sistemas eléctricos, munición), a veces porque producen incendios interiores que son difíciles de controlar y a veces porque su acción directa o uno de esos incendios pone en peligro la viabilidad absoluta del navío, como almacenamientos de munición o las calderas; y a veces, al igual que la munición AP (que también detona) causan daños en mamparos que deberían reducir daños de inundaciones o frenar incendios, en estos casos pueden provocar inundaciones por daños en el forro del casco (si uno se fija, suelen estar espaciados creando una doble compartimentación en él, para que uno de los dos lados absorba la mayor parte de los daños el otro se quede intacto o mayormente intacto o con vías de agua a ser posible menores). Además, las bombas AP que por un casual no hubieran detonado hasta llegar al agua (normalmente porque la velocidad ha sido tan poco frenada que el tiempo de detonación les hace llegar hasta ahí, suelen organizar vías de agua muy peligrosas, porque causan extensos daños en el forro del casco que también suelen afectar a toda la estructura de la zona impactada, a veces incluso más peligrosas que si estallan sobre el forro (aunque si una llega a ambos sitios, es bueno ir rezando) Buena parte de los daños que producen, suelen ser en la estructura principal y en las cubiertas inmediatas a la cubierta principal destruyendo un montón de elementos y de equipos necesarios (que por algo, suelen estar puestos en dichos navíos). Como las bombas AP deben ser capaces de dañar tanto navíos como sobre todo, navíos menores (DD, Submarinos, mercantes...) están diseñadas para intentar pasar por ciertos grosores, pero asegurarse que explotan, en estos blancos, aunque eso les reduzca capacidad mortal, en navíos de mayor entidad. Crear una bomba que fuera tan obtusa de reaccionar solo ante blindajes inmensos, posiblemente no reaccionara ante el resto de objetivos ni siquiera cuando hubiera penetrado por todo el navío e incluso posteriormente en el agua, lo cual, la haría absolutamente inviable para cualquier otro objetivo, aunque dejaran un surtidor de agua interno que obligara a cerrar algunos mamparos. Por contra, algunas bombas AP no suelen detonar, por fallas de fabricación, o por daños en la propia bomba (aunque suene irónico) y si no son afectados sistemas clave, como la cuantía de explosivos sobre el total del peso de la bomba, no es tan elevada, los daños pueden a veces considerarse no tan temibles. Pero no nos llevemos a engaño, la mayor parte de los navíos hundidos por la aviación en la WWII lo fueron por bombas AP, no por torpedos lanzados desde aviones; algo especialmente cierto en navíos no blindados militarmente. Para contrarrestar lo de arriba: Por supuesto, se trata de poner tanto blindaje como sea posible, entre la bomba y las zonas críticas, a ser posible, creando una "pre-zona" de suficiente blindaje para que frene lo suficiente la velocidad de caída de la bomba y active la espoleta, para que detone entre ella y alguna cubierta de las protegidas de verdad, sin poder afectar a las zonas críticas o que dicha explosión o incluso bombas que lleguen tan al interior, sean frenados por estos blindajes intermedios. El porqué no poner toda la cubierta con un grosor inmenso, que haga que detonen las bombas superficialmente, es porque los requerimientos de blindaje necesarios para detener una bomba AP se disparan al no haber una superficie que haga que la espoleta se active o en su defecto, frene la bomba. Además, dicha cubierta suele tener una superficie mayor, lo que obligaría a gastar todavía más tonelaje que sin duda debería quedar libre a cambio de algo (menos blindaje lateral, menos armamento, menos velocidad, o menos de todo lo anterior) y por si fuera poco, cuanto más se eleve una gruesa plancha de blindaje sobre el mar, más inestable se crea al navío y más peso es necesario darle para contra-restar esto lo que deriva en mayor calado y mayores necesidades de propulsión, con lo cual, todavía menos tonelaje queda disponible... así que blindados si, pero lo justo y necesario sólo en los lugares que merece la pena. Lo importante, en último fin, es evitar que la bomba detone cerca del forro del casco, por lo peligrosas de esas inundaciones y porque de producirse dichas inundaciones en las calderas, una entrada masiva de agua podría derivar en explosión de la propia caldera, o su inhabilitación, que acaban dejando al navío con movilidad reducida y peor, que lleva a la pérdida de energía eléctrica (lo cual no sería grave si no fuera porque afecta a la capacidad de la tripulación de luchar contra en incendio o de ponerse a salvo, sea porque los tripulantes no ven, porque las bombas de achique no funcionan o incluso las bombas de los grupos de presión anti-incendio tampoco funcionan. Afortunadamente los navíos militares, cuentan con diversos intentos de blindaje (algunos más afortunados que otros) y con bastantes sistemas redundantes para tratar de paliar que unos desaprensivos traten de echarlos a pique. Lamentablemente los navíos no militares o los simples transportes, dejan de contar con algunas de esas medidas, no por la mala leche de sus diseñadores, sino porque llevar de todo ello en abundancia suficiente, los haría dejar de ser transportes viables. (¿de qué serviría un transporte del tonelaje del Bismarck que pudiera llevar únicamente el 13% de su tonelaje en carga?) Situación actual en el juego: En el juego, hay algo raro, conforme mayor es el blindaje intermedio interno (mayores daños parecen asumir los navíos). O algunos de los que mejor aguantan las bombas, tienen capas de blindaje no mostradas en el diagrama de blindajes (que si, algún caso hay). Por contra, contra menores son los blindajes y menos capas tiene el navío más reducidos son los daños... es como si en el juego, las bombas causaran sobre-penetración a través de todo el blindaje, incluso en el forro del casco y se perdiera sin hacer mayores daños (incluso menores que proyectiles que sobre-penetran el navío de lado a lado. salvo que en este caso, las bombas no detonan en el forro o en el agua justo al traspasarlo, simplemente se pierden. Por contra hay navíos profusamente blindados que asumen daños de cuantías extrañas que maximizan los daños que cada bomba hace. No se si esto es porque se considera que cualquier bomba que estalle ahí ha pasado y ha generado un impacto en la ciudadela, o simplemente, porque se asume que esa explosión interna parada por el blindaje "anti-bomba" es el que hace el máximo de destrozos posibles al navío haciendo el daño máximo, aunque realmente no haya llegado a superar la propia cubierta blindada que en última instancia debe proteger al navío de esos daños. Evidentemente, estaría genial añadir un porcentaje de bombas defectuosas (je, incluso puede que la habilidad de intendencia redujera la posibilidades de esto, añadiendo otra habilidad a las deseadas por los CV), pero si con los torpedos que si que eran realmente poco fiables, esto no pasa, como para esperarlo en bombas. Lo que cabría esperar en el juego (la sugerencia): Que las bombas AP que impacten en cubierta puedan dañar y destruir elementos como torres principales o secundarias, a coste por supuesto de su capacidad de perforación (posiblemente los ataques se queden ahí, sin mayores daños que la inutilización de estos elementos (y otros menores como AA, en estos casos, sin perjuicio real de su perforación) Es que las bombas AP hicieran menos daño en los navíos con blindajes interiores gruesos si el de cubierta es suficientemente elevado para no ser traspasado como "papel". E ínfimos en aquellos cuyas cubiertas más exteriores permitan detonaciones "externas" . En estas detonaciones "externas" no crear incendios (o si se idease un sistema de gravedad de incendios estos serían los leves) Que las bombas AP, hicieran daños críticos afectando a sistemas como propulsión o control o incluso detonaciones si superan el blindaje superior de la ciudadela (curiosamente son las HE, las que suelen producir estos efectos, pese a estallar en el exterior del navío, cuando esas bombas deberían estar desterradas del juego salvo para cosas puntuales como ataques a tierra). En estos casos, que apareciera como "ciudadela" y causara una gran parte del daño de la bomba e incluso inundaciones si incluso el forro del casco es "sobrepenetrado" (que recordemos, suele causar una explosión o en él o justo debajo de él) Que las bombas al causar tuvieran probabilidad de causar incendios en los casos que no superasen dicha cubierta anti-bombas pero superasen las superiores a ella; realmente la posibilidad de incendio siempre existe, pero cuanto más interna es más peligrosa, porque su control tambien es más difícil y porque afecta a sistemas necesarios para controlarlos, pero si superados los último niveles de blindaje ya se va a recibir el daño completo de la bomba algún crítico y puede, si la bomba todavía ha ido más abajo que una inundación. Resumen: En cubierta principal, daños o destrucción de elementos blindados (torres secundarias o primarias, en las primarias, si habría que considerar si la bomba se ha limitado a estallar en la propia torre o si la ha sobre-penetrado totalmente y va hacia los pañoles de munición) sin daños adicionales (bastante suele ser perder esas torres) (los AA y otros elementos menores serían dañados, pero no supondrían mayores diferencias la bomba pasaría al siguiente nivel. Bombas detenidas en la estructura o por debajo de la cubierta, pero sin llegar a las siguientes cubiertas inferiores 10% de daño Bombas detenidas por cubiertas blindadas intemedias 20% daño y posibilidad de incendio Bombas detenidas por la cubierta inferior blindada, (la de la ciudadela) 40% de daños y posibilidad de incendio. Bombas que detonen más allá de la cubierta inferior blindada (pero aún relativamente lejos del forro del casco): 80% del daño máximo de la bomba, posibilidad de daños críticos como propulsión, gobierno, detonación (sólo en los lugares donde efectivamente haya munición) y probabilidad alta de incendio. Bombas que exploten sobre el forro del casco después de penetrar la ciudadela 100% del daño máximo posibilidad de daños en propulsión, gobierno y posibilidad de inundación. Bombas que sobre-penetren el forro, 100% daño de la bomba posibilidad de daños críticos como propulsión o gobierno e inundación (esta obligatoria) Agregar un daño específico a los CV: ¡Fuel alcanzado! este daño podría ser tratado como uno o dos incendios inapagables (hasta que trascurriera su contador) o que saltaran el máximo de incendios del CV. Esto posibilitaría dos cosas, la primera, que los CV de la RN y la KM y tal vez, alguno de otras naciones (los tier X) tuvieran un porcentaje menor de que se produjera este daño y sin embargo en los IJN y USA "brillaran" en toda su extensión (literal y figurativamente hablando). La segunda; que la habilidades de reducir el tiempo de incendios y de inundación o la acelerar el tiempo en que está disponible la habilidad del control de daños (alerta alta creo que se llama), fueran habilidades también utilizables por los CV para maximizar su supervivencia, sobre todo en CV IJN y USN (y en otros que vendrán que tengan una configuración más pareja a ellos) Consideraciones finales Soy consciente que estos cambios podrían ayudar más a los acorazados que a los DD y cruceros, pero si el área de bombardeo fuera de un tamaño suficiente, los DD evitarían buena parte de los impactos así como les ocurriría a los cruceros y en menor medida a los acorazados que deberían acarrear buena parte de los impactos (si bien, cuanto más preparados estuvieran para ellos, más podrían aguantar (acaso no se supone que eso debería estar pasando ahora). Otra posible medida, posiblemente mucho mejor, es que el tamaño del circulo venga definido por la velocidad, así como por las maniobras del navío y por su AA... que parece que no, pero estorba y hace soltar las bombas a alturas o velocidades no adecuadas, más que causar el derribo del avión (esta última opción sería más deseable, porque haría blancos fáciles a blancos inmóviles o lentos y difíciles a los muy rápidos (esto sumado al comportamiento de daños, haría justicia a lo que se espera de los transportes) y a los acorazados con buenos blindajes y disposiciones superiores, les haría "tanquear" impactos, aunque también ser un imán para ellos... los que peor parados salen son los CV, pero también ayuda a establecer diferencias nacionales, beneficios por las distintas cubiertas blindadas y que diablos, su trabajo es no ser alcanzados por bombas AP, para eso tienen cazas. También se podría valorar opciones como reducir el daño de las bombas, pero creo que sería mejor dejarlo y basarse en que a veces hay daños menores de lo esperados, dejando a San RNG la cuestión de si la bomba ha llegado a una de esas secciones críticas y ha causado el daño o una variación de él, lo que añadiría una variabilidad a los daños y pocas veces serían sus máximos aunque si la combinación adecuada de eventos de daños extraordinarios. O sea, realizados los cambios se podría ajustar mucho. Incluso puede que quedase bien, "efectos especiales" como el no poder usar la tecla de los equipos de reparación de daños por "x" segundos, o el de lanzamiento de aviones, hidroacústicas, radares... dependiendo de la zona alcanzada: hidro-acústicas y los equipos de control de daño podrían ser por causas más internas; radares, control AA (consumible) aviones, por otras más externas, aunque no parezcan haber casuado daños remarcables al navío, añadiría variedad y posiblemente diversión... y lo mejor, no creo que sean muy problemáticas ni difíciles de implementar. También un acercamiento a estos daños o esta forma de funcionar de las bombas AP, ayudaría a hacer más necesarias o al menos deseables algunas habilidades más para las diversas clases, haciendo más variado el universo de posibles variaciones en cada navío que uno podría encontrarse. La verdad que sería genial ver el nuevo y futuro motor gráfico del WoT aplicado al WoWs que permitiría ver como se derrumban las estructuras del navío, los mástiles y las torres directoras de tiro al recibir suficientes impactos o impactos de cuantías suficientemente elevadas y que estos daños tuvieran efecto sobre el manejo del navío.... pero supongo que esto es demasiado pedir hasta que haya 200.000 jugadores de media en el servidor. En cualquier caso, si que creo que es necesario que WG revise la forma cuando las bombas causan daños y que daños, porque me temo, que algo no está muy bien calculado. Un saludo :)
  9. So basically I just got out of a game where we I played a full upgraded Langely IV vs another. I've got commander skills for air fighters etc. so as far as I could tell my plaens can't be any better meaning that the opponent can only have worse or equal air fighters, however he 26-0'ed me in the air. He literally destroyed every single aircraft I had with his first squadron of fighters. (The first initial battle was a 6v6 fighter over a mountain with no ships from either team engaging in the battle. I lost all 6, he lost 0. Then he went on to wipe my bombers, wiped my remaining 4 fighters while I had assist from a cruiser in the fight and my torpedoes. He never resupplied once shooting down a total of 26 aircrafts, without losing a single plane. What am I doing wrong?
  10. Please help me with Aircraft Carriers

    I'm hoping to have a civilized discussion about current high-tier CV gameplay. I'm not suggesting anything that would be yet-another-rework - I'm sick of those. I'd just like to see some consistency other than consistent losses and salt mine MM. I'm on a ~20 battle Essex lose-streak right now. CV mechanics seems to have become very heavily RNG-based. I don't want to have ships that are there as a nice fantasy only to make you lose interest and incentivize grinding other branches. I don't claim to be a good CV player, (going by overall stats, I guess I'm average - save me the "git gud kid" lecture, skills an practice will only get you so far on a less-than stellar PC with the current net-code and UI fluidity). However, I get thrown into matches where (1) my strafes are extremely ineffective, from every angle, while the enemy decimates me even on head-on strafes with few planes in their squadron; (2) my planes get chewed up by outer AA auras while the enemy seems to be able to loiter above multiple targets to line up good runs. I can't go spot because even destroyer AA wrecks my planes in a matter of seconds; I can't do much damage because even average T7 battleship AA widens my drops. If this was a flash in the pan, offset by meh games or ones where it's the other way around, I'd say "screw it, grind through, wait it out" - but loss after loss after loss it's the exact same symptoms from different people. I know that (1) people play strangely when they're focusing on weird achievements and that (2) the still new Steam users are making their way up to top tiers and they're offsetting baseline competence and may be throwing the meta off, but come one! Most of the time it feels like a combination of insane RNG disparity and a good deal of de-sync: I get pings of 30-37 ms, but enemy planes often dodge my strafes at the last second and I lose 3 planes as soon as their strafe appears to start (and I try to be tricky, but it's like they have a sixth sense or they see things a fraction of a second sooner). Visuals are jerky, even on reduced graphics (medium / DX9 / small object animations OFF). FPS drops when side-scrolling or setting up manual attack runs. (For the record, I'm running an AMD FX 8350 with 8GB DDR3 and an AMD Radeon HD 7850 - I keep my software up to date, clean and light - no bloatware utilities, no snake-oil optimizations, etc). I seem to be doing OK with mid-tier CVs like Hiryu or Saipan, it's higher tiers that seem to be a constant pain. On my Essex, I dropped from decent matches and a ~50% win-rate to constant utter sh*tshows and a 42% win-rate. I sold my Lexington, even though I bought her permanent camo, because of pretty much the same experience, constant up-tiered MM to T10, and not wanting to have my stats and memories with her tarnished (plus I needed the captain on the Essex). I know there are probably plenty of things I'm doing wrong, but for the last few dozen high tier games I'm getting punished ridiculously, while the enemy teams seem to get a pass. I suspect WG gathering much richer player-performance-related data than stat-tracking sites do, to then use for match-making. It would make sense. I figure it's well within the realm of possibility that seemingly equal teams are pitted against each other in fact in a way that one team has a clear situational advantage: (1) more competent players who are likely to lane with decent AA cover everywhere (2) better spotting, better charging, better surviving DDs (3) more accurate, more aware, quick-to-click-planes, competent hydro- and radar-using cruisers (4) non-campy/non-potato/non-lemming BBs. I started using Matchmaking Monitor to figure out what the hell is going on, but I don't mean to sound like a stat-whore. In fact if anything, MM seems to have tilted scales based on much more than the superficial stats gauged by tracking sites: below-average players charging better, benefiting from reduced damage, have better AA RNG while even our average or above average players do nothing but camp and disperse from the spawn and then are force to play defensive. Just to be clear, this would be par for the course if I'd see this randomly, every now and then, on any ship, but I get this almost constantly in CV, to the point where running in a division doesn't seem to balance anything either. It doesn't matter where I spot, it doesn't matter who I protect, it doesn't matter who I bomb, it's most often like an uphill battle while our team's just there for target practice. Could we PLEASE have lesser RNG variance for CVs??? At least for those that have lost their different loadouts. It used to be the case that you were at the mercy of MM due to the choice of loadout you made before hitting "BATTLE", but now you're at the mercy of MM setting you up for an "R"NG roast.
  11. Hello, My name is Jessica, I'm a girl, and I'm seeking a new (preferably British and full of non-toxic younger players) clan, in which I can help and participate in their carrier section. As far as progress is involved, I am currently, I am playing at Tier 10 with my Midway. Regarding the IJN carriers, I am resting at the Tier 8 Shokaku right now, and I own the Kaga as my only premium carrier. I have had previous experience with this game, around a year and a half ago, of which I was around T9, following the american carrier line. I do in fact own other ships too and am trying to improve with my battleships and cruisers. Hoping to some time in the following months participate in the LOTS tournaments. Information you might want to know, may include: Current WR: 58% (1,176 games played) Current Carrier WR: 62% (574 games played) Fair amount of experience in RTS Above average statistics which are on the rise, currently I do in fact take my influence from Farazelleth ^-^ More detailed view on my statistics: https://eu.warships.today/player/551389691/J_JSH OR https://wows-numbers.com/player/551389691,J_JSH/ As soon as/if the carrier community are able to participate in clan battles, I am defiantly willing to play! In the mean time, I'm happy to join in any training room clan battles. I will always be willing to take advice from other carrier players in the clan and share my advice too, in order to help each other improve. Preferably looking for a Well arranged but attractive clan among the Typhoon league, full of players willing to play but also have a bit of fun. However, I'm perfectly fine with joining a High Storm clan too! I am able to use Discord and Teamspeak ^-^ I hope I am taken into consideration by some wonderful people, and thank you in advance! Good luck and fair seas, ~Jess Discord: J_JSH#9169 Note: I suffer with a bit of a mental history, which I prefer not to talk about online but am probably required to say that I do have problems with being shy around large groups and random spikes in my mood due to my bipolar disorder. I hope this doesn't effect anyone decision too much, thanks <3
  12. Whats wrong with carriers in Op Narai?

    I been farming operation Narai alot this week and there seems to be a recurring theme to do with aircraft carriers. I wanted to open the subject to the community and see what other peoples experiences are on this. Before I go on I have to make one thing perfectly clear: I am not in any way attacking aircraft carrier players, the class itself or any player in particular! In the screen shot below you see that the aircraft player came second from bottom on experience., only got 2 kills and shot down 17 aircraft. This seems to be every time a CV queues for this particular operation. So if they arent getting the kills and they arent shooting down planes... theyre not even doing a high amount of damage without getting the credit for the killing blow because if they were they would get more XPs. Again I need to stress the point that in most games, I do not consider the aircraft player to have done badly. In fact in this particular game I thought the CV did very well. So what gives? I know there are issues with CV's and its probably going to be a sensitive subject for some people. Remember Im not pointing any fingers or blaming the players. I just want other peoples input, Id especially welcome the views of CV players.
  13. My idea for an addition to the IJN aircraft carrier tech tree, which includes some (in my eyes) sadly, left out carriers. I think the addition would enrich the carrier game play, you wouldn’t meet the same enemy again and again which is kind a boring sometimes. The numbers besides the name are the number of aircrafts, the bolt one the in game number and the other one the historical, which can diverse. Shinano is a bit a special case although only having an own air group of 47 it was planned to be a forward refuelling and rearming station for planes of other carriers (finally the marking mishmash of the planes would make sense ) and so was able to accommodate up to 120 planes (at least some sources say that, others go with less), so you could easily bump her up to tier X but I didn’t really found another suitable tier IX, to fill the gap. IV 21/24 Hosho V 30/30 Zuiho VI 48/48 Ryujo Hiyo 48 VII 90/85 Kaga 73/72 Hiryu Soryu 71 VIII 84/72 Shokaku Akagi 81 IX 75/83 Taiho Shinano 47/72-83 X 100 Hakuryu The addition would branch of from the Zuiho and start with the Hiyo a converted passenger liner (Kashiwara Maru) commissioned in July 1942 sunk during the battle of the Philippine Sea, June 1944. Next up is the Soryu at tier VII the “sister” ship of the Hiryu, the first IJN carrier to be planed us such from the beginning, commissioned in 1937. She fought, as part of the first air fleet’s carrier division 2 (together with Hiryu) in several battles including Pearl Harbor and Midway where she was sunk, June 1942. Her air group consisted of 63 aircrafts plus 8 in reserve equalling a total of 71. With 34 kts she’s also capable to swiftly reposition, which is always nice. And she just looks great On tier VIII we got the Akagi, which was converted from the battlecruiser Akagi and finished 1927 having three flight decks. In 1937-38 she was reconstructed losing to of the three flight decks and so increasing the aircraft capacity to 66 plus 15 reserve giving a total of 81. Probably being the most famous Japanese carrier of the Second World War, served as the flagship of the First Air Fleet. She led the attack on Pearl Harbor and other battles and was sunk in Midway, June 1942. The Akagi is one of the ships I had absolutely no doubt we would see in the original tech tree. At tier IX sits the Shinano being the conversion of the third Yamato-class Battleship Shinano, probably the most impressive carrier during the Second World War, certainly the largest. Commissioned in 1944 she got sunk only 10 days later hit by four torpedoes of USS Archerfish will traveling from Yokosuka to Kure to finish her fitting (which also included finishing waterproofing and adding missing counter-flooding and damage-control pumps). Not really fast but considering her Displacement (which results in HP) and Armour she should be quite a sturdy ship. As above already mentioned her air group can have a wide range, I would go with something between 72-83 aircrafts, depending how important the sturdiness factor is considered to be (in my eyes rather unimportant at this tier). From the Shinano we would get back to the main line and to the Hakuryu. This addition would in my opinion not only include some interesting ships but also reduce the dullness of having the same CV as opponent again and again. Character wise there wouldn’t be a change from the already included IJN carriers. thanks for reading, tell me what you think about it and don’t hesitate to point out faults. After some responses I made a little Update to the tech tree: IV 21/24 Hosho V 30/30 Zuiho Chitose 30 VI 48/48 Ryujo Hiyo 48 VII 90/85 Kaga 73/72 Hiryu Soryu 71 Unryu 63 VIII 84/72 Shokaku Akagi 81 IX 75/83 Taiho Taiho-Kai 75 X 100 Hakuryu Shinano 47/90-100 It now splits of from the Hosho to the Chitose, a conversion from an auxiliary to a high-speed seaplane carrier. After Midway she was converted to a carrier and commissioned as such in January 1944. She was sunk in the battle of Leyte Gulf in October 1944. She would play pretty similar to the Zuiho. Instead of the Soryu or as a further addition we got the Unryu at tier VII. Being similar to the Hiryu design she was finished in August 1944, with additional AA and protection. She was planned to embark 57 aircrafts plus six in reserve totalling 63, though it’s most likely that she never had a full air group due to shortages. In war she transported aircrafts and high-priority cargo to the Philippines, till she got hit by two torpedoes from USS Redfish and sunk December 1944. Like Hiryu and Soryu she has a nice top speed of 34kts. In game I would give her around 70 planes like Hiryu. At tier IX we got the Taiho-Kai (design G-15) an improved Taiho, mainly better AA and protection, carrying 53 to 75 aircrafts sources differ her. Those ships were part of the Modified 5th Naval Armaments Supplement Programme drawn up in September 1942, the first of the five planned was due to be finished in 1948. After Midway other faster to build carrier programmes got priority and the date got shifted back. In August 1943 all five ships were cancelled. Although similar to the Taiho, surly an interesting ship which allows us to place the Shinano, with a bigger air group, at tier X, were such an impressive ship belongs.
  14. Hello, My name is Jessica, I'm a girl, 16 years of age. I'm seeking a new (preferably British and full of non-toxic younger players) clan in which I can help and participate in their carrier section. As far as progress is involved, I am currently, I am playing at Tier 9 with my Essex, although I am only around 40,000 xp away from hitting my Midway. Regarding the IJN carriers, I am resting at the Tier 8 Shokaku right now, and I own the Kaga as my only premium carrier. I have had previous experience with this game, around a year and a half ago, of which I was also around T9, following the american carrier line. I do in fact own other ships too and am trying to improve with my battleships and cruisers. Information you might want to know may include: Current WR: 58% (1094 games played) Current Carrier WR: 63% (545 games played) Fair amount of experience in RTS Average stats which are on the rise currently I do in fact take my influence from Farazelleth ^-^ More detailed view on my statistics: https://eu.warships.today/player/551389691/J_JSH OR https://wows-numbers.com/player/551389691,J_JSH/ As soon as/if the carrier community are able to participate in clan battles, I am defiantly willing to play! In the mean time, I'm happy to join in any training room clan battles. I will always be willing to take advice from other carrier players in the clan and share my advice too, in order to help each other improve. Preferably looking for a Well arranged but attractive clan among the Typhoon league, full of players willing to play but also have a bit of fun. However, I'm perfectly fine with joining a High Storm clan too! I am able to use discord ^-^ I hope I am taken into consideration by some wonderful people, and thank you in advance! Good luck and fair seas, ~Jess Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/JKJSH/ Discord: J_JSH#9169 Note: I suffer with a bit of a mental history, which I prefer not to talk about online but am probably required to say that I do have problems with being shy around large groups and random spikes in my mood due to my bipolar disorder. I hope this doesn't effect anyone decision too much, thanks <3
  15. CV player skill is polarized

    (inb4 someone calls captain obvious on the title) It is rare I make an effort to focus on a specific point in my posts. So there is no TL;DR for this one. I recently played some WoWs after a long break. During my games, something I observed was that the players playing CV in my games were mostly from one of three types: 1. Total noob. Doesn't move the CV for the whole game. Makes the most random decisions in what to strike or not, and doesn't listen to advice. 2. Below-average Dumb player. Moves CV, sends planes to cover allies, tries to manually strike a good target. For the first wave. Then any semblance of coordination vanishes after that, they leave planes hovering unattended all over the place, doesn't react with urgency to enemy strike planes heading to allies even though allied ships spotted them incoming miles away, and their fighters are literally just hovering nearby too, and doesn't really listen to advice or requests for spotting (or are too "pre-occupied to help", or just don't know what spotting means), and loses all their planes striking an AA-covered target while failing the strike anyways because they approached from a bad angle. They don't even start running when an enemy DD goes at them, they just keep their CV camped against the rock (I mean, running should be a natural reaction). Maybe they just gave up. They still keep sending planes to auto-bomb the DD to no effect though. Luckily the DD is so dumb it launches torps at the CV, misses, dodges CV drop but then circles around to wait for its torps to load. Teammates yell at it to shoot the CV, so it does, with AP. But without much gusto either (like, it shoots 2 salvos then just gives up). "God, just shoot it, you're a Lo Yang..." Teammates cry Edited and wonder aloud what they are witnessing. "Ranked, gentlemen." I reply. DD: (first response for the whole game) "[response edited for privacy]". So these players are mostly left to their own devices, striking this target or that, but completely unpredictable and unreliable for the team. 3. Unicums. They proceed to spot, strafe, Edited DDs, then wipe out the opposing CV in two strikes. Not very fun for the opposing team to play against at all, especially when their own CV decides to take the no-fighter loadout. In other words, the people who play CV are either ppl who are actually skilled enough and comfortable enough to dominate in CV, or total clueless nubs who don't give a damn about their performance. Most average players with self-awareness or self-responsibility shy away from the CV, not even because they are that unskilled at it, but because they are tired of the toxic experience of CV MM and gameplay, and the lackluster appeals of playing CV. I used to remember CVs on teams being mostly dependable and fairly skilled, back 1.5 yrs ago, and I remember CVs mostly being such a large threat in CBT and the earliest stages of the game (almost 3 yrs ago), that ppl would purposefully huddle up, cover each other with AA, advance carefully, when there were CV present in the game, because not doing so almost guaranteed getting on the bad side of both the enemy CV who will decimate you and then your teammates, and the friendly CV, for making it very hard on him to try to protect you. In other words, they still took this game as one that should be played as a team game, one with respect to its design, with strategic and tactical depth, and would be a better experience if friendly and cooperating with the team. Nowadays, ppl don't even care. Least of all, the CVs. Both the atmosphere of the game, and the actual gameplay, is far from ideal. Even though ppl say glhf and such, it's more a formality than anything else. And only happens in ranked, where the same players recognize each other over conescutive games, but never in randoms anymore. And even in ranked, there is no "gg". Even amongst the consecutive players. "gg" just isn't fitting to be in this game anymore, due to a complex combination of many factors of cultural, emotional, personal, and structural problems. This saddens me. (I mean, ppl in this game once tried to perform just so they wouldn't hurt each other's feelings. They "had enough EQ" to recognize, and be nice, to the CV who was already in a pressured spot for taking the most crucial role for the team. In some ways, this was the environment my CV experience accumulated in, and to this day I still swear by the ideal of playing CV to support/protect the team. Yet, the grim realities I observed more recently cannot be farther from this cheery vision.) Of all the games I played, few and rare did ships move up to support the DDs, at least within danger range. Ships tended to not want to be any closer than anyone else for fear of being focused. At this rate, DD gameplay will suffer some of the same dilemmas as CV, for being a bad experience. Even though it will be much less severe, as DDs are not yet designed into a corner like the CV warranting dire measures such as mirrored MM, and they are still generally appealing, in the sense being a "desirable" ship experience for their torpedoes and stealth, while the CV on contrast faces tough skill barriers, team focus and criticism (I imagine some less social ppl wouldn't even stand that spotlight pressure regardless of skill), and a generally frustrating experience (same for some ppl who absolutely flip out at frustration). The desirability of BBs and CAs, as reflected in actual data in one of my polls earlier, supports this observation. Thus I hope the point of being alert for potential vulnerabilities and shortcomings in the game design based on hypothesizing the experience for DDs based on generalizing from CVs, will be point taken and considered. And that this may reflect deeper, core flaws in the design philosophy of this game which will be harder to pin down, and even harder to address, but should not be dismissed if we still are to believe in and wish the best for this game in the future. Musings: I recently made a troll topic about how the "great player diaspora" which saw drops of 600k to the about 40k we see today, could be partially in a representative theory how CV gameplay was a symbolic turn point in "falling short of expectations". I also mentioned that the reason it was so lethally potent, was that it was dual-angled and a self-reinforcing process of aggravation. While that theory (and post) was troll, this one is not. Of my conclusions since playing again, CV gameplay has taken a turn for the worse since I remember, and the self-reinforcing and aggravating conditions may already be at work for the present issues at hand. The lowering of CV population, and this polarizing-skill phenomenon, as well as general criticism popping up regularly on forums, could be interpreted to support this hypothesis. I really hope that whatever overhaul or CV changes WG is planning, will prove to address deeper issues such as this. Back at the beginning 2017, when they first considered overhauling CV, I though it was just to optimize the mechanics and experience. But nowadays, it is clear that such a thing by itself would no longer be sufficient, by far. If it were only mechanics to be designed, they'd better be state-of-the-art mechanics nothing short of genius, to be able to turn this situation around via only subtle, intricate and precise changes in game mechanics, eventually shifting back the paradigm to something more ideal. I recently read an idea of creating "legacy" WoWs server of CBT just like World of Warcraft, but to be honest, even that will not achieve the time-machine level changes to re-enact the high expectations, eagerness, community spirit, and moral of players back then. I've binged myself on enough ranked and randoms for a while now, and will likely take another long hiatus from WoWs. This concludes the "1.5 yrs later" line of thought and posts. (Which there wasn't much of anyways to begin with, so nothing lost here XD and please don't take me too seriously.) Edit: I realize that in some cases DD ap may be desirable against a CV, especially a camped one against a rock, and while it is good to be vigorous and nitpick on the details, pls don't nitpick on the details this once and focus on my point. This post has been edited by the moderation team due to swearing.
  16. CV as support class

    There were lots of good points in the original thread on the current CV meta, and how unbalanced it was. There were also some interesting concepts, including one from me, on possible directions for CV. However, the one I liked best was someone's concept on turning CVs into a support class; greatly lowered alpha damage potential, but better in everything else. However, that would mean a completely new playstyle, even a complete overhaul on what is a CV in WoWs. Many mechanics will have to be changed, such as the normalizing of AA. New mechanics and systems will have to be designed, such as scoring for the CV, to balance it for surface gameplay, and allowing non-mirrored/tierlocked CV MM. Thus I would like to invite discussion on how and what could a CV do if it is no longer focused on alpha damage as a class. 1. What new mechanics needs to be introduced. 2. What existing difficulties needs to be adapted to, or overcome. 3. How this could be historically sound. Later on I will provide my own concepts on these points, similar to in the original thread as well, but better. But because I am not solely pre-occupied by this concept, and it is more demanding than the original "man-made spectacle" attempt (don't bother with reading it, it is already outdated), it will take some time. Please provide your own discussion for the time being. If there is any request or direct feedback please do not hesitate to notify me. I specifically request insight into historical references. Such as: How many CV planes in total operated in one strike at a time. How many per CV. What is the composition between fighters/bombers/torpedo-bombers. How long does it take for them to ascend to cruising altitude, and to descend to strike. Difference in strike protocols between DB and level-altitude bombers. What is the strike percentage against different ship classes, historically. How successful were they for each ship class. What is the historically accurate values for surface AA engagement ranges. What were the visibility ranges for plane-to-surface spotting, and surface-to-plane spotting, and plane-to-plane spotting. What were specific characteristics in such interactions. How does surface-based strike planes factor into all this. and etc. Cheers and thanks. Edit: If you are new to this thread I have already concluded it here. Further Edit: The conclusion above on a new CV playstyle works best if envisioned with addition to ideas presented in this thread:
  17. carrier balance suggestion.

    the carriers need more love and maybe become a little more forgiving so more people will play them. I got a suggestion that will make deleting a battleship nearly inpossible but still balance it out bey making the planes last longer. maybe instead of making AA more prominent make the planes harder to kill but still easyer to desperse. the battleships where actually very well protected from the smaller payload of of the carrier planes. so the carriers can do nearly no damage to the torpedo protection of a battleship but can still do alot of damage to a cruiser (that can dodge more easely). so carriers need to hit the nose or tail of the ship to do damage and cause a flood. so for example grober currywurst: 25% torpedo protection /78% airdropped torpedo protection (on the belt only and also variate the bulge so most protection in the center). and then balance it out by making planes harder to kill. carriers will be able to play a whole game with there squadrons + do alot of damage with floods/fires etc by making a hit on the nose or aft a near certain flood. then ofc the only problem will be the DD,s wont be able to kill the scout constantly lighting them up. u can solve this by making the planes more velnerable the longer they are near the same target. wy woudnt AA crews learn the habits of a pilot after staring at his acrobatics for an extended period of time :-D
  18. Lock symbol next to carrier icon

    Hi there, does anybody know what the lock symbol does? When you play carrier it is next to your carrier icon. Thanks a lot.
  19. To overhaul CV, must discard mirrored MM

    Edit: Added "Man-made Spectacle" post, as promised. It's still not the actual argument having to do specifically with the mirrored MM in a functional sense, but here it is. (I regard those as mundane, trivial, less important than the qualitative arguments, it's just me. Maybe I'll add in again later, if someone really asks.) To-Do: sort out the memories into data in the 1.5 years later thread, make a (shorter) poll out of those data (such as the heavy leaning towards everything with the word "premium" in WG design nowadays)(quite difficult as some of those are open-answer questions in nature), and analyze the data from this thread once the poll reaches at least 100 people. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ I heard WG is planning some CV changes in 2018. It was the same thing we heard for 2017, but possible it's actually the big one this time. (I also got a nice present from WG to log back in ... so one could say I'm a bit more "motivated" to put some attention to WoWs again. =D. Good job. It might just work to bring back some of the old players.) Since we do not know how a form of CV overhaul could work for the current version of WoWs, I would like to make use of this opportunity to engage the English forum in discussion of the possibilities within a CV overhaul. Such that regardless of how the WG version turns out, we will be able to receive it well-informed and prepared. First goal is to reduce the "reactive" discussion to the overhaul, and second is in hopes of reaching conclusions which will be difficult to do once hemmed in by the existing logic of the overhaul. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ The first questions to ask is "what do we aim to accomplish through the CV overhaul": How can the game's mechanics systems, balance, depth, polish be improved from mechanic changes. How do we fix vulnerabilities and shortcomings of existing features. Why would these changes be an improvement to the player experience. (Much comparison to other games in this part.) How do we design the overhaul to be more friendly to future overhauls and expansions in the game's systems and thus possibilities, aiming for continuous improvement. But first, how do we break the stalemate of the current game norm. How do we execute the operation of this overhaul to maximize the data gathered and observe its potential, within reasonable effects to the game. How do we use it to improve player-relations. What is the theoretical amount of potential this can fulfill, what is its unique strengths, and characteristics uniquely suited to WoWs, how do we generate conclusions from those to identify or design possibles future systems. And likely more, but WG probably has it all sorted out. You get the idea. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ The second question to ask is "what would be some ideal states to be in after the CV overhaul". Even if we cannot describe an exact state of affairs, general desirable characteristics of the situation can be used to "triangulate" approximate definitions. Which brings us to the title. In my estimate, mirrored MM for one will no longer be necessary. But in a more ideal case, aka. "victory" scenario, not only will mirrored MM be gone, but CVs will be so balanced, enjoyable, and well-integrated into the game, that even if the teams had one side with CV, and the other side without a CV, the match is still fair and fun. Or, CV from further apart in tiers can play together in more than +2 MM (even if not every tier 1-10 at once). Now that's quite a leap. Normally, one would start with approximate definitions such as "playing CV will no longer be more pressuring and daunting than a normal ship". "CV will not be disproportionately harder to control than a normal ship". "CV will not be more dependent on captain skill requirements than normal ships". "Losing in a CV is no more toxic or humiliating an experience than in normal ships." And obvious ones, such as "CVs will no longer be disproportionally OP in general match conditions than normal ships, or at least their effect will no be felt disproportionally from normal ships". Etc. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ So for the remaining questions, I'd like to ask everyone else's experience with CVs, Why might a CV overhaul be necessary (but if not, then what to do instead), What might a possible overhaul aim to do, and what is your "ideal state" from overhauled CVs. Bonus points if you can explain how you reached those conclusions. And because this is a discussion thread, all opinions, from new and old players, CV and non-CV mains, fans and haters alike, etc. (you get the idea), are valid. Try to be kind to each other's experiences and points of view. Cheers.
  20. Does anyone else feel that CV (Carrier) economics need a little tweak in terms of XP and silver? would you say the free XP is enough for the game play?
  21. DON'T trust the auto pilot

    Hello peepz, So I am playing in my Midway. I notice I am going to near to the enemy, time to trun around. I select a point on the minimap and I see a white line from my ship going to the point I want. So I'm focusing on my planes and trust the autopilot to guide my Midway to where I want. 2 Minutes later.... What the actual hell... why didn't my carrier turn around? where did the white line go? Long story short... Am I the only one having problems whit the autopilot? I know the UI sucks and I don't know when they will fix it... but I do wonder if they messed up the Auto Pilot... Or am I doing something wrong? It's just clicking a point on the minimap and when i have my carrier selected there is a white line from the whit Arrow to the point I want. You guys having any problems whit the autopilot? Maybe having some tips to avoid [edited]it up and die... All the best and dear regards, Dex
  22. Dear World of Warships team, It is impossible to ignore the amount of "this ships is op" or "broken" comments that the Saipan receives constantly. The biggest issue in my opinion is the way it can strafe out of a fight without loosing a plane and having the ammo capacity to do it many many times. That in combination with tier 9 planes just being faster and more powerful. And yes, a squad only has 3 planes and the Saipan does not have a big reserve. But a skilled Saipan user will be using the "Air Supremacy" skill for his captain and will know when to strafe out and not loose a plane. I opened a discussion in the forums once and submitted a ticket to the support center on this matter too: https://eu.wargaming.net/support/tickets/2191766 I believe by looking into either of the following suggestions that it would balance the Saipan but not really decrease it's overall effectiveness. -Don't give the saipan the ability to use the Air Supremacy skill (Or, if using the air supremacy skill, they loose the perk of not loosing a plane in a strafe out of combat) -Reduce ammo capacity -Reduce fighter's air speed -Cooldown for Straferuns Thank you for taking the time to read this and I hope that 2018 will be a great year for WoWs! -K4dy
  23. Hello fellow players, The support team has sent me in this direction after my last ticket reply. My question still stands and I was hoping that maybe there is somebody out there who can help me out here. I will be cheap here and just re-use my support ticket: I can certainly understand that it is impossible to predict how a game plays out, so I decided to focus my question on a pure mechanics question. Let's say I am playing a Hiryu and the enemy team has a Saipan with the "Air Supremacy" captain perk and the three fighter squadrons deck layout. The game starts as usual and let's pretend there are equally skilled and strong ships in both teams and they spread out into all directions so you can always send your planes over friendly ships. Let's also pretend that I lure the Saipans fighters into friendly AA range and then fighter lock all three of his squadrons. Here is where I dont know how to beat him because: The saipan can straferun away from my planes without loosing any of his planes while doing so and therefore, getting the fight back on his terms. And since he has ridiculous ammo due to Tier 9 planes he can strafe like 10 times before having to rearm. In the meantime, I can't drop a ship without loosing all my planes since the Saipan can catch my attack planes, take them apart and when my fighters arrive he can just strafe away again. So it is a constant cat and mouse and demolishing my planes until I either run out or the game is lost and no damage is done. In such a situation, what do I do ? Flamu explains this, too. So either Ranger or Hiryu (And Kaga, I musst add) is cought by this situation and no wiki or video explains how to use your advantages againt a Saipan due to them focusing on the "in general" picture. I hope you can understand where I am going with this and can not wait for a solution. I mean... there has to be a mechanic in the game that I can use here. Otherwise this Sub-category is pointless ?!? Thank you for any insights and technical replies, -K4dy That is it from my side. Many thanks to you guys for any answers you are able to provide! :)
  24. this is why carriers are UNPLAYBLE

    Hi guys . today i want to talk about carriers , i am trying to level up the IJN tier6 an t least as far as this tier i am having an " issue " witch is realy realy annoying . and its not directly about game desine , its about players . why in the name of god , would the enemy carrier player ( most of the freaking games ) spend his ENTIRE bloody game chacing after my planes killing them and not doing anything but that . its toxic man , its not fun , why would you ever spend 12 - 15 minutes following my planes and doing nothing to hlp your team , pls WG do something about it . to prevent players from doing just that . i literaly don't want to play carriers ever again, i was thinking this wold change at higher tiers but i dont think it will people are always douchbags .... thanks , and any suggections are welcomed , especialy from carrier players . oh i forgot to ask something , i have watched a video yesterday about a review on a BB , and for the first time i heard that upgrading the hull does give you things that are not montioned ( like new AP ammo that has more pen or more shell speed ) , i wonder if upgrading the carrier hull upgrades anything apart from speed and AA . and shout out to WG for not montioning that ever because i dont bother upgrading hulls in lots of ships ....
  25. Air Craft Carriers

    Air Craft Carriers are the seriously ignored class of Ships in the game. These are the reasons Why 1- In lower tiers its playable, but as one advances , the insane AA makes it impossible for CV players to maintain interest in the game. 2- Every now and then Buffs are coming for different ships except for CVs 3- New ships/lines being introduced are having such insane AA. Others have Defensive AA. 4- Every Player has the ability to increase his captain skills to Be able to increase his AA DPM by basic , advance and Manual skills, yet CV doesnt get any Captain skills for improvement of Squaderent health and endurance. 5- BBs and cruisers who are AA specked are already untouchable, add to that new DDs like KIDD and Grozovoi and US DDs Defensive AA, so CV can actually have no impact in the start of the game. 6- CV does spotting, Defends allies and also at times harldy manages to strike on enemy despite all defensive AA and enemy CV AA planes and at the end the Reward for CV is the worst in all the ship types. 7- New changes to DDs AA is further Humiliation to CVs. Either CVs need to be buffed or AA needs to be nerfed with good rewards at the end If wargaming keeps the same trend , one day people will say, remember when there used to be CVs in the game??