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  1. Finally! My latest fork on this scheme. Proposal for full European tech tree! There were many unique destroyers in Europe. It would be nice to see them in large numbers in the game. Having only 4 nations, mostly with Swedish destroyers in the game, is not the solution. Also, it is not a solution to put 10 British and 10 American destroyers that those nations used. Only the British and American branches would be copied as was done with the Pan-Asian Tech Tree. We would have too many Jervis, Lightning, Fletcher and Gearing destroyers (The exceptions are the Greek destroyers T9 and T10, as well as the Polish premium destroyer T8). That is not the solution. The goal is to bring many different ships into the game, and European nations had unique destroyers, such as the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, the Netherlands and Poland (and Sweden, which has already been inserted). I had a lot of destroyers, a lot especially for tiers 4-6, but this is compromise solution. I compared Burza with Bourrasque, so it's in that place. But, in my opinion, the proposal is really good.
  2. Red_warning

    Sweden in World of Warships

    Greetings! With world of warships open to see for the public and steadily nearing release, there are a lot of discussions on the internet regarding what nations and ships might come next. I do naturally not expect a minor nation such as Sweden make an entry to WoWS until more prominent sea powers such as Britain, France, Italy and perhaps Spain make it into the game, but I don't think it's ever too early to speculate and talk about future ships that could be added to the game. Swedish naval doctrine and shipbuilding philosophy differentiated quite a bit from the major powers, and I shall go into more detail below. Coastal defence ships In Swedish referred to as pansarskepp, the coastal defence ships were built purely with defence in mind as a cheap counter to cruisers and battleships. With no intention of blue water supremacy, Sweden focused entirely on being able to defend its vast island-dotted coastline from potential German and/or Soviet naval invasion, which required ships specifically engineered for that need. They needed to be able to travel in shallow waters, which required a small draught. They needed to be heavily armoured and armed to be able to win over invading cruisers with decent certainty. Speed became less important as navigating through the Swedish archipelagos is nothing one should do in a hurry, lest they run high risk of running aground. Example of typical Swedish coastline geography Sweden built a total of 6 classes of pansarskepp, from 1886 to 1918, encompassing 15 ships in total. Despite their old age by the time of WWII they were upgraded and modernised thoroughly and would serve the Swedish navy until the 1950s, at which time the coastal defence ships role in modern war doctrine had become outdated due to an ever increasing emphasis on speed and firepower. In World of Warships they could fill the role as early to mid-tier cruisers, while the most modern ones of the Sverige-class probably could do well even at higher tiers. Their speed is slow but their armour is unmatched (from tier 1-3 they would have 10x - 2x the armour of contemporary cruisers) on early tiers while providing devastating firepower until mid-tire, at which point their age is being felt and they are starting to fall behind true WWII ships. Despite their armour and firepower (210 mm guns and torpedos at early tiers) they were pretty small ships, seldom reaching over 100 metres in length, providing the enemy with a quite small target. With their role in the Swedish navy in mind one can assume they should be pretty nimble machines, giving them decent turning speed which in turn gives them a chance of dodging incoming torpedoes. Balance wise they should be made into brawlers, so giving them a decent health pool is probably a must to off-set the fact that their slow speed will mean long exposure to fire, which the heavy armour also should help to mitigate. Some examples of ships and their tiers will follow below. I will refrain from posting any calibre lower than 57 mm to save space, but you can bet that the ship belonging to the native land of Bofors carries a lot AA guns. HMS Clas Fleming, Clas Fleming-class minelayer-cruiser, tier I candidate HMS Clas Fleming, mine layer, constructed in 1912 and decommissioned in 1959. Never really meant to directly engage the enemy, this ship could nonetheless serve as a decent tier I ship thanks to its acceptable armament of 4 x 120 mm guns. It had a speed of 20 knots, weighted 1575 tons and was protected by 16 - 75 mm of armour. It was the first ship in the Swedish navy to use steam turbines. ​________________________________ HMS Oden, Oden-class coastal defence ship, tier II candidate The second generation of Swedish pansarksepp, built in 1896 and decommissioned in 1937, this was basically a larger version of the first generation Svea-class. 2 x 254 mm and 6 x 120 mm guns, superior AA capabilities compared to previous tier and with 4 x 57 mm guns capable of giving some secondary fire at close quarters. 16,5 knots, 3720 tons, heavily protected with an for tier II impressive 200 mm of armour. Also comes with a torpedo tube because why not. It's an old ship but still heavily armoured and armed for its potential tier, 4 x the armour of the Chester and 2,5 that of Chikuma. ​________________________________ HMS Äran, Äran-class coastal defence ship, tier III candidate. The fourth generation of Swedish pansarskepp (the third being Dristigheten-class, skipped due to being only slightly different compared to the Äran-class), built in 1901 and decommissioned in 1947. Sweden's first ship that served during WWII in the cruiser line. 2 x 210 mm, 6 x 152 mm, 6 x 57 mm and 2 x torpedo tubes. Was refitted with some AA capabilities at the expense of 2 x 57 mm guns at the beginning of the war. 175 - 200 mm armour, 3735 tons and with a speed of 17 knots. Equal tier ships have caught up in terms of fire power, but still don't match the thick armour of the Swedish coastal defence ships. ​________________________________ HMS Oscar II, Oscar II-class coastal defence ship, tier IV candidate. The fifth generation coastal defence ship to be used in the Swedish navy and one of its kind, built in 1905 and decommissioned in 1950. 2 x 210 mm, 8 x 152 mm, 10 x 57 mm and 2 x torpedo tubes 18 knots speed, 4495 tons and with up to 250 mm of armour. This is where the age of the pansarskepp of the early 1900s are being felt. The armour is still superior to that of the Japanese Kuma class cruiser while carrying heavier guns and more of them, though far fewer torpedoes and travelling at a snails pace in comparison. Versus the American Phoenix it has distinctly better armour while carrying roughly the same amount of guns, though the Phoenix has better torpedo carrying capabilities, while Oscar II also carries two quite heavy 210 mm Bofors guns. As such this ship would be quite powerful at tier IV. ​________________________________ We will now leave the coastal defence ships for a while and take a look at some of Sweden's first true cruisers that might be used as the mid-tier ships for a Swedish cruiser line. Though I am concerned that they might be underpowered for their role, with the help of renhanxue, a pass-time archivist and history blogger who has helped Wargaming with insights to their planned Swedish tank tree, I am quite certain that the mid-tier can if necessary be filled with "paper ships". Though I would personally prefer to see real ships used as much as possible, the reality is that the ships presented below might simply not be competitive enough. HMS Fylgia, armoured cruiser, tier IV - V candidate. While constructed in 1905 this ship underwent heavy modernisation in 1941 where the ship was changed at its core to fit the demands of a modern navy, and was finally decommissioned in 1952. It was Sweden's only armoured cruiser and it carried 8 x 152 mm, 14 x 56 mm guns and 2 x torpedo tubes. It could go travel at 23 knots, had up to 135 mm of armour and carried a weight of 4980 tons. Could probably work at tier IV, dubiously at tier V. It really depends on what other tier V cruisers might show up throughout the years, as the USS Omaha is the only reference for now. The 14 x 57 mm guns and reality heavy armour of HMS Fylgia would make it deadly in secondary gun range, if it weren't for the slow speed of the ship. ​________________________________ Built in 1933 and decommissioned in 1960, HMS Gotland was a Swedish experiment with this usage of aircraft at sea. With no intention of competing with the major powers for blue water superiority this design was intended to be used as a scout platform for the naval battle groups. This is a rather peculiar hybrid ship with an armament of 6 x 152 mm, 4 x 75 mm guns and 6 x torpedo tubes. It could also carry 6 x Hawker Osprey. It travelled at a speed of 27,5 knots with a weight of 5550 tons. Amount of armour eludes me. To make this ship competitive at these tiers I feel like the sea planes need to carry 4x50 kg bombs each, which they historically did not use due to their role as scouts for the navy but nevertheless had the capacity of.
  3. Karasu_Hidesuke

    Funny flags in game

    Why did my few Swedish DD's defect to some strange nation overnight. I am running a flag mod but this happened overnight. Yesterday I still had the Swedish ensign on these ships, today it's been changed on its own to this: Thoughts?
  4. This is a suggestion of a Swedish ship tree. It is also an example of a minor nation’s ship tree. In order for more nations to be included, and to avoid ‘paper ships’, I propose that a joint ship tree of different classes is utilized for minor nations. Furthermore, I envisage the ship tree to end at tier IX since a minor nation is unlikely to commission a Yamato-like ‘monster-ship’ at tier X (Edit: moved Halland to tier X, added Östergötland as tier IX). Regarding the Swedish ships the ship tree portrays the early- to mid-tier focus on cruisers and the later focus on destroyers. Every ship in the tree is real. Most had remarkable long periods of service (30 plus years). In general, Swedish warships should be specialized in defence and camouflage: low visibility and very good anti-air artillery. Tier I: Clas Fleming. Commissioned 1914, reconstructed 1940. Data (1940): 4-120 mm, 20 kn, 1,850 ton. This small Swedish ‘mine-laying cruiser’ which would fit tier I rather well. Tier II: Fylgia. Cruiser. Commissioned 1907. Data (1907): 8-152 mm, 14-57 mm (secondaries), 22 kn, 4,310 ton. Sweden´s only ‘armoured cruiser’. In service for 50 years (reconstructed 1939-41). Tier III: Wrangel. Destroyer. Commissioned 1918. Data (1918): 4-75mm, 6-TT, 34 kn. 498 ton. One of only two Swedish destroyers built during ww1. Tier IV: Drottning Victoria. Cruiser. Commissioned 1921. Data (1941): 4-283 mm (3 RPM), 6-152 mm (secondaries), 4-75 mm AA, 9-40 mm AA, 4-25 mm AA, 23,2 kn, 7,663 ton. One of three large ‘pansarskepp’ built. The design can be considered similar to the later German ‘armoured ship’ Graf Spee. Hence they are cruisers and not battleships. The three ships were symbols of Swedish naval power and ‘defence willpower’ in the early 20th Century. Tier V: Gotland. Cruiser. Commissioned 1934. Rebuild 1943. Data (1944): 6-152 mm (5 RPM), 6-TT, 4-75 mm AAA, 8-40 mm AA, 6-25 mm AA, 3-20 mm AA. 27,5 kn, 5,550 ton. An aircraft-carrying (8) scout-cruiser later rebuild as an anti-aircraft cruiser. Should carry the consumable defensive AA-fire and have significant low visibility. Well-known for spotting Bismarck in May 1941. Tier VI: Tre Kronor. Cruiser. Commissioned 1947. Data (1947): 7-152 mm (10 RPM), 6-TT, 20-40 mm AA, 9-20 mm AA, 33kn, 9,200 ton. The last Swedish cruiser together with her sister Göta Lejon. Tier VII: Göta Lejon. Cruiser. Commissioned 1947. Data (1958): 7-152 mm (10 RPM), 4-57 mm (secondaries), 6-TT, 17-40 mm AA, 33 kn, 9,200 ton. The last Swedish cruiser. Sold to Chile in 1970. Should be superior to her tier VI sister due to later modifications (fire control, improved AA-guns). Should get the radar-consumable. Tier VIII: Uppland. Destroyer. Commissioned 1947. 4-120 mm (20 RPM), 6-TT, 7-40 mm AA, 8-20 mm AA, 35kn, 2,250 ton. A significant improvement over previous Swedish destroyers. Tier IX: Östergötland. Destroyer. Commissioned 1958. 4-120 mm (20 RPM), 6-TT, 7-40 mm AA, 35 kn, 2,600 ton. The last destroyer class in Sweden. However, it was essential a refined version of Uppland (Öland-class) with better maneuverability and protection. Tier X: Halland. Destroyer. Commissioned 1955. 4-120 mm (42 RPM), 8-TT, 2-57 mm (secondaries), 6-40 mm AA, 35 kn, 3,400 ton. The last and largest Swedish destroyer designed to replace cruisers as flotilla leader. Her sister ship Småland is preserved as a museum ship in Gothenburg.
  5. Henning_15

    Sweden WW2 Cruiser Tre Kronor

    HSwMS Tre Kronor was a cruiser of the Royal Swedish Navy built during the Second World War. At the start of the war most of the ships of the Royal Swedish Navy were quite old and the navy was in need of new ships. In 1940 the government decided that three cruisers were to be built. A political debate broke out about the cruisers and works did not start until 1943. The ship was to be built in Götaverken in Gothenburg. Eventually only two of the cruisers were built, and the third cruiser-squadron of the Coastal Fleet would be led by the modernised AA-cruiser HSwMS Gotland. The turrets used on HSwMS Tre Kronor were built by Bofors and were originally ordered by the Dutch Navy to be fitted on the two "De Zeven Provinciën-class cruisers", but after the German occupation of the Netherlands the Swedish government was afraid they would be claimed by the Germans so they were confiscated. Tre Kronor was launched 16 December 1944, commissioned on 25 October 1947, and served until 1 January 1964. Tier VI Premium Cruiser Tre Kronor __________________________________________ SURVIVABILITY Hitpoints: 29000 __________________________________________ ARTILLERY 7 × Bofors 152 mm guns Reload TIme: 8.0 s 180 Turn Time: 25.3 s Maximum Dispersion: 123 m Maximum HE Shell Damage: 3500 Chance Of HE Shells Causing A Fire On Target: 19.0 % HE Shell Armor Penetration Capacity: 33 mm Maximum AP Shell Damage: 4600 Main Battery Firing Range: 15.0 km _________________________________________ SECONDARY ARMAMENT 9 × 20 mm guns Reload Time: 3.0 s Maximum HE Shell Damage: 1400 Chance Of HE Shells Causing A Fire On Target 6.0 % HE Shell Armor Penetration Capacity 17 mm Firing Range: 5.0 km __________________________________________ TORPEDOES 6 × 533mm torpedo tubes Torpedo Range: 6.0 km Torpedo Speed: 55 knots Maximum Damage: 14908 Reload Time: 105.0 s ___________________________________________ AA DEFENCE 20 × Bofors 40 mm guns AA Reinforcement: 25 % Sector Reinforcement time: 10 s Sector Reinforcement shift time: 10 s ____________________________________________ MANEUVERABILITY Maximum Speed: 33 knots Turning Circle Radius: 640 m Rudder Shift Time: 7.9 s ____________________________________________ CONCEALMENT Detectability Range By Sea: 10.5 km Detectability Range By Air: 6.5 km Assured Detectability Range: 2.0 km Detectability After Firing Main Guns in Smoke: 4.7 km ____________________________________________ ARMOR LAYOUT Armor Belt: 70 mm (2.8 in) Deck: 30 + 30 mm (1.2 + 1.2 in) Conning tower and turrets: 127 mm (5 in) _________________________________________ AMMUNITION & CONSUMABLES Damage Control Party Action Time 5s Reload Time For I 85.5 s Reload Time For II 57 s Repair Party HP Per Second +143 Action Time 28 s Reload Time For I 114 s Reload Time For II 76 s Hydroacoustic Search Detection Of Torpedoes 3 km Detection Of Ships 4 km Action Time 100 s Reload Time For I 171 s Relaod Time For II 114 s Fighter Or Spotting Aricraft Or Smoke Smoke Action Time 15 s Smoke Screen Dispersion Time 99 s Action Radius 0.72 km Relaod Time For I 228 s Relaod Time For II 152 s __________________________________________
  6. Henning_15

    Sweden WW2 Battleship Gustav V

    HSwMS Sverige was the first Swedish Sverige-class coastal defence ship (Pansarskepp) commissioned during the last year of World War I and serving into the 1950s. Her cost was approximately 12 million kronor in 1912, and the entire sum was raised in public in a nationwide fundraising campaign that gained over 15 million (approximately 650 MKr, in 2005 Kr). The fundraising was done because of the Karl Staaff government's reluctance to spend money on a new battleship. Sweden was not immune from the naval arms race in the early 20th century. After the dissolving of the union with Norway in 1905, the situation was tense with the Russian Empire in the east, Germany south of the Baltic Sea, and Norway, traditionally an Anglophile country. In 1911, battle-ready units from the Royal Navy and the German Imperial navy cruised around in the North Sea. War was close. As the latest Swedish coastal battleship Oscar II was a typical pre-dreadnought ship (2× 8 in (203 mm) guns, 17.8 knots (33.0 km/h; 20.5 mph)), the need for a new class of ships was pressing. Seaworthiness, armament, armour and speed, all had to be improved according to the multiple new technologies that had arrived. Tier III Premium Battleship Gustav V __________________________________________ SURVIVABILITY Hitpoints: 31 500 __________________________________________ ARTILLERY 4 × 2 Bofors 283 mm gun M/1912 (2×2) Reload TIme: 30 s 180 Turn Time: 45 Maximum Dispersion: 160 Maximum HE Shell Damage: 5200 Chance Of HE Shells Causing A Fire On Target: 30 % HE Shell Armor Penetration Capacity: 60 mm Maximum AP Shell Damage: 7800 Main Battery Firing Range: 14.0 km SECONDARY ARMAMENT 6 × 1 152 mm/50cal. Bofors QF M/1912 (1×2, 4×1) Reload Time: 7.4 s Firing Range: 3.0 km Maximum HE Shell Damage: 1400 Chance Of HE Shells Causing A Fire On Target: 6.1 % HE Shell Armor Penetration Capacity: 15 mm ___________________________________________ AA DEFENCE 2x2 75mm/60 M28 Bofors 3x2 40mm Bofors 2x2 25mm/58 Model 1932 Bofors 3x1 20mm/66 Model 1940 Bofors 2x2 8mm/75,8cal. AA MG M/1936 Mid-Range AA guns AA Reinforcement: 25 % Sector Reinforcement time: 10 s Sector Reinforcement shift time: 10 s ____________________________________________ MANEUVERABILITY Maximum Speed: 22.5 knots Turning Circle Radius: 450 m Rudder Shift Time: 10.1 s ____________________________________________ CONCEALMENT Detectability Range By Sea: 13.2 km Detectability Range By Air: 6.5 km Assured Detectability Range: 2.0 km Detectability After Firing Main Guns in Smoke: 10.5 km ____________________________________________ ARMOR LAYOUT Conning Tower: 250 mm Belt: 200 mm Turrets: 200 mm Citadel: 100 mm Deck: 18–28 mm
  7. (click for bigger) A few drawings dated in May 1946. I have no idea how serious this proposal was, and I currently don't know any background information that could explain the existence of this project either. Data as given in the drawing Length overall: 148.2 m Designed waterline length: 140 m Greatest beam: 28.4 m Beam at design waterline: 20 m Design draft: 5.5 m Displacement, standard: 7800 tonnes Displacement, full load: 8100 tonnes Speed at 28000 shaft horsepower: 25 knots Aircraft carried: 20 de Havilland Sea Vampire Artillery: - eight 12 cm guns in twin turrets - 16 40mm Bofors autocannons in both single and twin mountings - 17 single-mount 25mm autocannons Armor: - 75 mm waterline belt plus 25 mm in "torpedo compartments" (?) - 25 + 50 mm deck Crew: 535 men Side and top view: Cross sections and deck plans
  8. HiCould it be possible to make premium ships of different nations, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Poland, France, Italy etc. would be really cool and you would sell very many premium ships.
  9. Trebor_Air_Fighter

    Swedish Cruiser HSwMS Gotland

    Although I am not Swedish, I think this would make quite an interesting Premium cruiser, possibly tier 4 or 5? It carried 6 Hawker Osprey aircraft, although it had a capacity for eight, the reason being that Sweden originally bought 6 but when it tried to purchase more, production has ceased. From Wikipedia: Armament 6x 152mm (6in) guns in two double turrets and two single turrets 4x75mm and 4x25mm AA guns 6x533mm torpedo tubes More stuff from Wikipedia Displacement: 4,600 t Length: 134.8 m (442 ft 3 in) Beam: 15.4 m (50 ft 6 in) Draught: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in) Happy Sailing Trebor_Air_Fighter
  10. I vaguely remember this from alt_naval's old site but can't find anything on the details except that it might have been based on the Goteborg class used by Sweden's own navy. Anybody know anything else? Maybe even alt_naval's pic?
  11. There will probably be ships from smaller nations as either one large tree or a number of smaller trees (IMHO the latter is more likely) so present ships that you like from these nations here eg. mr3awsome, on 21 August 2012 - 06:34 PM, said: Sverige Classthe 3 ships of the Sverige Class (Sverige, Drottningen Victoria and Gustav V) were built by Sweden to increase the enemies (Primarily Russia) risk in an invasion of Sweden by forcing them to deploy their own battleships to counter this class. Sverige was paid for by public donations, whilst the other two ships were paid for by the Government. Sverige was commissioned in 1917 whilst the others were finished in 1921 and 1922 respectively. The other 2 ships were slightly longer than Sverige and were equipped with 2 shafts rather than Sverige's 4 with different machinery as well. Drottningen Victoria and Gustav V also had ice-breaking stems rather than rams. All three ships looked significantly different from each other after modernisation: Gustav V's 2 funnels were combined into a single one, Sverige received an S-shaped fore funnel whilst Drottningen Victoria retained her 2 upright funnels, each's fire control directories differed along with their Anti Aircraft armament. Stats: Length - 392.8ft (Sverige) 396.6 (Drottningen Victoria and Gustav V) Beam - 61ft Draught - 22ft Armament: As Built 2 X 2 283mm Bofors M1912 1 X 2 152mm Bofors M1912 6 X 1 152mm Bofors M1912 4 X 1 75mm Bofors M1912 2 X 1 75mm Bofors AA M1915 2 X 1 57mm Bofors M1916 2 X 1 6.5mm MG M1914 2 X 1 457mm Torpedo tubes M1914 WWII 2 X 2 283mm Bofors M1912 1 X 2 152mm Bofors M1916 4 X 1 152mm Bofors M1916 2 X 2 75mm AA guns M1928 3 X 2 40mm Bofors AA M1936 2 X 2 25mm Bofors AA M1932 3 X 1 20mm Bofors AA M1940 2 X 2 8mm AA MG M1936 Propulsion Sverige 12 Yarrow Boilers 2 Kockums-Curtis Ungeared turbines 4 three-bladed propellers 20,000HP/22.5knots Drottningen Victoria/Gustav V 12 Yarrow Boilers 2 Motala-Westinghouse geared turbines 2 three-bladed propellers 22,000HP/23.2knots Armour: Main Belt - 200mm max, 60mm min, 150mm average Deck - 45mm Main Turrets - 203mm front, 102mm Side, 111mm rear Secondary Turrets - 127mm front, 76mm side, 76mm rear Barettes - 152mm Control tower - 175mm max, 60mm min, 100mm average Complement: As Built - 427 After Modernisation - 450
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