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  1. My idea of Prince of wales is to make it the first bb in the game to carry a smoke screen IF it ever gets added, this can be/is a reference to the battle of the denmark strait when it had to lay one to escape the bismarck. the stats will be the same, like artillery or aa. Maybe its unique perm camo can be the welsh flag, after its namesake. The tier, speed and maximum ap/he can be the same since there is already 2 kgv ships in the game. Who thinks this concept sounds ok?
  2. Nachdem Wargaming freundlicherweise mit der Royal Navy nun auch endlich eine der irrelevanten Seefahrernationen (nach bekannten Größen wie der sovietischen Flotte...) eingefügt hat, werde ich mich nun doch ein wenig motivierter mit World of Warships befassen. Demnach kreuzt nun bald eine kanadische Lady mit britischen Schiffen in internationalen Gewässern. Warum ich den Thread dennoch hier und nicht in der englischsprachigen Sektion eröffne ist schnell erklärt: Die Gentlemen des British Tank Clubs treiben sich in diesem Forenbereich herum und haben bereits Hilfe zugesagt. Nach einigen Gefechten aus den Anfangstagen von WoWs stand relativ schnell der Entschluss das Spiel einzumotten bis endlich die Royal Navy eingeführt wird. Die bisherigen Gefechte (es dürften 16 gewesen sein) fanden ohne jede Orientierung in den Stufen Eins und Zwei statt, wobei der Fokus eher auf japanischen Modellen lag. (Als Kanadierin gestatte ich mir einfach einmal ein paar Vorbehalte gegenüber amerikanischen Erzeugnissen...) Nun soll es allerdings richtig losgehen und zwar mit den britischen Kreuzern. Was man so im Forum dazu lesen durfte ist zwar nicht grade ermutigend, allerdings werde ich mich konsequent an die Royal Navy halten, von oben erwähnten Spielen einmal abgesehen. Ich bitte um Nachsicht, dass etwaige Kürzel und Termini noch nicht verinnerlicht wurden. Weiterhin bin ich durch World of Tanks vorbelastet. Auch wenn mir die Unterschiede zwischen einem Panzer und einem Schiff durchaus geläufig sind, so kann es vorkommen, dass die Grenze im Eifer des Gefechts verschwimmen (was für ein mieser Wortwitz...). Vielleicht hilft es, dass ich viel Artillerie gefahren bin, der man ja bösartigerweise eine gewisse eine gewisse Affinität zu Gewässern nachsagt. Kartenkunde ist noch nicht vorhanden, die Videos dazu genieße ich lieber mit Vorsicht, wie alle spielerischen Empfehlungen seitens Wargaming. Was man als Kreuzer so zu tun hat konnte ich noch nicht wirklich ausprobieren, da auf den ersten beiden Stufen noch nicht einmal alle Schiffsklassen verfügbar sind. Ansonsten hoffe ich auf allerlei Hinweise, Anleitung und Nachsicht bis sich mein spielerisches Niveau auf erträglichem Maße eingependelt hat. Hochachtungsvoll, Easha
  3. FrankvC_Jr

    Low Tier Premium DDs Ideas

    Hello all Recently I received a full compendium/encyclopedia about ships ranging from the very first armored vessels to almost nowadays modern ones As I went through its pages, I found out some ships that might fit Ingame Here I propose some that may be interesting as premium ships for 4 navies: Imperial German, Royal Navy, United States Navy and Imperial Japanese Navy; please consider tell which ones do you prefer: -IJN Kawakaze: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawakaze-class_destroyer Is like a Wakatake but with 2x3 TT The ship is fast at 37 kts and it may fit well in a tier 4 spot, sharing tier with the contemporary Isokaze. -USN Ward: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Ward_(DD-139) The famous Wickes that prevented the midget submarine to enter Pearl Harbor A tier 3 spot collector piece, without much fighting value but very historical significant -HMS Tipperary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Tipperary_(1915) The little bug that faced Westfalen on Jutland I think that as a tier 4 gunboat would be quite decent and maybe even fun -S113 Or V116 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_torpedo_boat_Premuda A kindergarten Gaede with 4 150mm guns and 4 600mm TT on a 37 kts speed ship Clearly a major antecesor to the 150mm gun armed destroyers of WW2 The RoF would be probably awful but with patience and good captain at her helm, it could be quite good for tier 4 What do you think? Shall we add more?
  4. On May 31st/June 1st 2016, it's exactly 100 years ago that the infamous Battle of Jutland took place, the biggest naval battle that took place in the history of mankind (in terms of tonnage, Leyte was bigger in number of ships). The battle ended in a draw, with a slight tactical victory for the British, but at a grave cost. All and everyone who was involved in that battle is now long gone, except for one thing. In Belfast lays the HMS Caroline, a C-class Light Cruiser (Caroline subclass). Nothing extraordinary at first sight, but she is the holder of some peculiar records at the time of her decommissioning. 2nd oldest ship in Royal Navy Service (1914-2011) The last First World War British light cruiser in service. The last still existing survivor of the Battle of Jutland. Yes, she was there. And she's still afloat in Belfast, and in quite a good condition. However she was rebuilt as a HQ and training facility in 1924, during which her armament and boilers were removed, and later on a steel shack was built onto her decks. To commemorate the Battle of Jutland, she's now undergoing restoration to bring her back to her appearance of 1916, the dawn of the battle, and to open her in the spring of 2016 as a visitors centre and as a monument to the Battle of Jutland, and all those involved. I already suggested MrConway that this ship in her 1916 configuration would be a good RN lowtier (read: affordable) Premium Ship, which could be made available for the commemoration of Jutland in 6 months, and it would be a very nice prelude to the coming of the Royal Navy in the latter quarter of 2016. Knowing that it takes some time to get the OK-GO, research the plans and actually designing the ship, maybe it's a good idea to create some awareness (hype?) around this ship, and show WarGaming that sufficient interest is present for such a ship and this occasion. It's not every day that one of the major battles in the history of mankind celebrates its centennial anniversary, nor that one of the very ships that took part in it is still around to be seen. 28.5kts 1"-3" belt armour, 1" deck armour 2x 6"guns (aft) 8x 4"guns (semi-automatic, 2 in tandem in the front, three on each beam) 1x 6pdr 4x 21" Mk1 torpedo's (two on each side, in tandem)
  5. Vorab: Falls dies die falsche Abteilung ist, bitte ich um Nachsicht und einen Hinweis, wo ich meinen Vorschlag posten könnte. Ich hatte eine Idee zur HMS Vanguard, zu dem ich gerne Eure Meinungen haben würde. Wie Ihr wisst, wurde die Vanguard zwar als quasi Lion-Klasse geplant, aber mit den kleinen 38,1 cm Türmen der Courageous-Klasse fertiggestellt (die Türme hatte man "übrig"). Wie wäre es, die Vanguard als Free XP Schiff anzubieten und damit als "Nachfolger" von Musashi und Missouri? Vielleicht könnte man das Schiff mehr auf AP und höhere Kadenz ausrichten und ihr etwas mehr "Schlachtkreuzer-Feeling" im Vergleich zur Lion verpassen - analog etwa zu den deutschen und britischen Schwestern auf Tier 7? Was wären Eure Ideen dazu? Ich freue mich auf Eure Antworten. :)
  6. Yzokiki

    Royal Navy

    Bonsoir, Auriez vous un liens pour expliquer le fonctionnement de cet évent ? Car pour le moment on ne voit que 4 palier de missions, ce qui fait 4 jetons guinés sur les 50 pour le DD Anglais Premium ... etc ... etc .... Merci Cdt, Yzo
  7. Riche_heu_Lieux

    La cuisine à l'anglaise avec le Nelson

    Salut les chefs, aujourd'hui j'aimerais vous proposer la recette de la victoire assurée à bord d'un cuirassé que les matelots connaissaient sous le nom de Nelsol. Je vous ai préparé un petit guide illustré qui vous permettra à coup sûr d'emporter la victoire à ses commandes. Commençons par les ingrédients... - il vous faudra impérativement les compétences Expert en Démolition et Amorce à inertie pour obus HE -9 délicieux BL 16 inch Mk I naval gun approuvés par le traité naval de Washington - les compétences Expert en écran de fumée et Supériorité Aérienne afin de pouvoir se camoufler aisément et s'assurer la supériorité aérienne en cas de rencontre avec un porte-avion -Une cuillère à soupe de la compétence Expert en capacité de survie, à ne pas confondre avec Bases de la capacité de survie, qui sont des compétences totalement différentes ! ainsi que Pour la récolter utilisez un Belfast bien affuté et grindez-le jusqu'à avoir l'expérience libre nécessaire Jetez toute votre expérience libre avec le tout dans le mixeur -Vous rajouterez par-dessus ça des larmes de croiseurs -Et pour finir du camping en fond de map, pour en obtenir rien de plus simple, fuyez en permanence les combats et surtout longez les bords de la carte Mixez le tout. L'idée de pouvoir toucher la citadelle des croiseurs tout en leur causant 2 incendies est délicieuse. Et vous prenez ceci et vous le mettez face à des croiseurs, de préférence low tier Donnez à vos croiseurs un bon petit coup d'obus HE HEHE BOI Attention cependant, vos croiseurs ne peuvent prendre pour la plupart que 4 incendies, et ce pour au maximum 30 secondes, n'allez pas au-delà de la brûlure au cinquième degré sur eux, sinon ils couleront et l'on perdrait alors ce délicieux farming de dommages. Pour le barbecue, présentez-vous de flanc encaissez les dégâts comme vous l'entendez, puisque vous pouvez appuyer sur T à tout moment et voir votre vie remonter à son maximum ! Petite indication de temps de cuisson pour finir : vos croiseurs prendront environ 15 minutes à tilt et les destroyers environ 5 minutes. Merci à vous pour votre lecture et je le rappelle pour les étourdis CECI EST DU SECOND DEGRÉ LA TEAM PREMIER DEGRÉ MERCI DE PASSER VOTRE CHEMIN. Cordialement, Riche_heu_Lieux
  8. vojtaruner

    Fan made British destroyers tech tree

    Hello everybody, I have put together history and possible implementation of the British destroyers in World of Warships. Please keep in mind that this is just fan made, not official news of upcoming new ship. Also I apologize for any grammar mistakes, english is not my native language. To do list: -find destroyers from tier II to tier X -find alternative destroyer branch -add few premium destroyers Before we start, I want to clarify: On 24th June, Wargaming published on Facebook (World of Warships Development Blog) upcoming British destroyer tech tree. Few destroyers there are the same as in this article. I didn't copy any ideas from anybody. I've started working on this article about half a month ago, so I couldn't copy anything from Development Blog. I was little bit sad when I read the news, not because I was disappointed. No, I would love to see British destroyers in WoWs. The point of this article was supposted to help somebody to see what British destroyers in WoWs could look like and now when we know what ships in tech tree will be, this article loses it's purpose. Anyway, because I've put quite a lot of time to made this article, I decided to publish this anyway. Royal Navy destroyers specialization: Every destroyer tech tree has something unique. Japanese destroyers have amazing torpedoes and good stealth, German destroyers have hydroacoustic search, American destroyers are fast with fast-firing guns and U.S.S.R. destroyers have powerful guns. British destroyers had one very important role- to escort. British destroyers escorted convoys to Malta, Arctic convoys and many other. They protected merchant ship from enemy U-boats and aircraft. Therefore, I would give British destroyers from tier V to tier X Defensive AA fire. This would be extra consumable and wouldn't take place of Engine boost or Smoke generator. Every trait of the ship (such as displacement, armament, speed, torpedoes,...) is historicaly accurate. Their attributes could be changed for balancing reasons. Tier II HMS Lance L-class (Laforey class) Displacement: -standard: 965 tons -full load: 1,300 tons Length: 269 ft (82 m) Beam: 26 ft 9 in (8.15 m) Draught: 9 ft 6 in (2.90 m) Speed: 29 knots (54 km/h) Armament: 3x1 QF 4-inch (101.6 mm) Mk IV guns Torpedoes: 2x2 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: none Medium range: 1 × QF 2 pdr pom-pom Mk. II Short range: none Quick history: She was laid down on 1 August 1912 and launched on 25 February 1914. HMS Lance was assigned to the 3rd Destroyer Flotilla of the Harwich Force, took part in a sweep of the North Sea. On 5 August 1914, Lance and her sister ship Landrail were sent to investigate a report from a trawler of a ship dropping mines. The two destroyers encountered the German minelayer Königin Luise. Lance fired a shell from one of her 4-inch guns at Königin Luise which was the first British shot of the war. The minelayer at first attempted to flee, but when her captain realised that escape was impossible, he ordered her to be scuttled instead. Lance picked up 28 survivors from the German ship. On 28 August 1914, along with the rest of the 3rd Destroyer Flotilla, Lance took part in the Battle of Heligoland Bight. On 17 October 1914 Lance was with her flotilla when it attacked the German Seventh Half Flotilla of torpedo boats off Texel, completely annihilating the German force. On 29 November 1915 Lance took part in a sweep by the Harwich Force into the Skagerrak. In 1916 Lance was transferred to the 9th Destroyer Flotilla. On 1 June 1916, the Harwich force sortied to reinforce the Grand Fleet following the Battle of Jutland. Lance was one of eight destroyers detached to screen the damaged battleship Marlborough. On 13 August Lance was escorting a convoy of seven merchant ships between Britain and the Netherlands when Lassoo was hit by a torpedo from the German submarine U-10.Lance attempted to salvage the stricken destroyer but Lassoo broke in two and sank, with all but four of Lassoo's crew being rescued. In March 1917, Lance transferred to the Sixth Flotilla as part of the Dover Patrol. By October 1917, Lance was part of the Fourth Destroyer Flotilla, based at Devonport, remaining part of this flotilla on 1 December 1918. Lance was laid up under Care and Maintenance at the Nore in December 1919 and was sold for scrap on 5 November 1921. In World of Warships: HMS Lance would be slower destroyer with great concealment and maneuverability. She would be similiar to Umikaze. However, she is slower and has more powerful torpedoes with slightly slower reload. Bad AA defence doesn't matter at this tier. Tier III HMS Valentine (L69) V-class destroyer Displacement: -standard: 1,207 tons -full load: 1,497 tons Length: 312 ft (95.10 m) Beam: 29 ft 6 in (8.99 m) Draught: 10 feet 8 inches (3.25 m) Speed: 34 kn (63 km/h; 39 mph) Armament: 4x1 QF 4 in Mk.V (102mm L/45) guns on mount CP.II Torpedoes: 2x2 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: none Medium range: 1x1 3 inch (76 mm) QF 20 cwt anti-aircraft gun Short range: none Quick history: HMS Valentine was laid down on 7 August 1916 and launched on 24 March 1917. Valentine served with the Grand Fleet, as part of the 13th Destroyer Flotilla and the 6th Light Cruiser Squadron. In October 1917, Valentine was deployed as part of an elaborate anti-submarine operation, in which destroyers and submarines were to be used to drive German U-boats that were returning to port from operations and passing to the east of the Dogger Bank into a large array of mine nets. The operation lasted for 10 days, and British Intelligence believed that three U-boats were probably sunk in the operation. Later that month, Valentine formed part of the destroyer escort to the 6th Light Cruiser Squadron when it was deployed as part of a scheme to attack German minesweepers in the Heligoland Bight. This resulted in the inconclusive Second Battle of Heligoland Bight. An attempt by Valentine and the destroyer Vanquisher to carry out a torpedo attack on German cruisers proved unsuccessful. In 1919, Valentine was deployed to the Baltic Sea as part of the British intervention in the Russian Civil War, which helped to ensure the independence of the Baltic states.In the 1920s, Valentine's twin torpedo tubes were replaced by triple tubes, giving a torpedo armament of six 21 inch torpedoes and the 12-pounder anti-aircraft gun was replaced by a 2-pounder "pom-pom". In 1936, the Admiralty recognised that the Royal Navy had a shortage of escort ships with good anti-aircraft armament. It was decided to convert a number of old destroyers of the V and W classes, now obsolete as fleet destroyers, to perform role of escort destroyers. Two twin QF 4 inch Mk XVI naval gun anti-aircraft mounts were fitted, with a modern fire control system mounted on a new superstructure to direct their fire. Two quadruple Vickers .50 machine gun mounts provided close-in anti-aircraft armament. No torpedo tubes were fitted. After completing work-up, Valentine joined the Nore Command, responsible for East coast convoys, transferring to Dover Command in May. Valentine was one of four destroyers deployed to the Scheldt estuary to support demolition operations and the evacuation of shipping from Antwerp. She was damaged by dive bombers on 15 May 1940, and beached near Terneuzen. 31 of Valentine's crew were killed, with a further 21 injured. Valentine was partly salvaged and broken up in 1953. In World of Warships: HMS Valentine would be closest to Wakatake or Phra Ruang. She has 2x2 533mm torpode tubes (Wakatake or Phra Ruan has the same) but has 1 gun more. Again, she pays for this advantage, and has lower speed. But again, she has great concealment and good maneuverability. Tier IV HMS Lancaster Wickes-class destroyer Displacement: -standard: 1107 tons Length: 314 ft 4 in (95.81 m) Beam: 30 ft 6 in (9.30 m) Draught: 8 ft 8 in (2.64 m) Speed: 35 knots (65 km/h; 40 mph) Armament: 4x1 4"/50 guns (102 mm) Torpedoes: 4x3 21 inch (533 mm) torpedo tubes (2x3 tubes on each side) AA defence: Long range: none Medium range: 1 x 3 in (76 mm)/23 gun Short range: none Quick history: HMS Lancaster was originally US destroyer. USS Philip was laid down by the Bath Iron Works, Bath, Maine, 1 September 1917. After being fitted out at Boston, Philip reported to Commander Squadron Two, Cruiser Force, 1 September 1918, to escort convoy HX–47 across the Atlantic. She was flagship of Submarine Hunting Group stationed at the Coast Guard Station, Cold Spring, Cape May, New Jersey, 28 September – 11 October. Philip supported the trans-Atlantic flight of the NC-1, NC-3, and NC-4, 11 – 19 May 1919. With other fleet units, she had a part in Army experimental firing at Fort Hancock, New York. She then had orders to duty with Squadron 4, Destroyer Force, Pacific Fleet. On 29 May 1922, USS Philip was placed out of commission. When recommissioned 25 February 1930 Philip was attached to Destroyer Squadrons and conducted maneuvers and gunnery practice for the Reserve Force in the San Diego area. In July – August 1934 Philip visited Alaskan ports, and made preparations for the Presidential Fleet Review held at San Diego in September – October 1935. She decommissioned at Destroyer Base, San Diego, 2 April 1937, and recommissioned 30 September 1939 for duty with Division 64, Atlantic Squadron. Departing Key West for New York Navy Yard 23 July 1940, there she was decommissioned 23 October 1940 and turned over to British authorities in the ships for bases exchange, and renamed HMS Lancaster in the Royal Navy. Her name was struck from the Navy List 8 January 1941. As HMS Lancaster, she served as a minelayer and convoy escort in the Royal Navy during World War II, and was reduced to reserve in July 1945. In World of Warships: HMS Lance is basically a Clemson. Therefore, she has the same traits: good guns, lots of torpedoes with shorter range, not so great concealment and bad AA defence. Tier V HMS Amazon (D39) Thornycroft prototype of new design. Displacement: -standard: 1,370 tons Length: 311 ft 9 in (95.02 m) Beam: 31 ft 6 in (9.60 m) Draught: 9 ft 6 in (2.90 m) Speed: 37 knots Armament: 4x1 BL 4.7 in (120 mm) Mk I dual purpose guns Torpedoes: 2x3 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: 4x1 BL 4.7 in (120 mm) Mk I dual purpose guns Medium range: 2x1 QF 2-pounder Mk.II anti-aircraft guns (2×1) Short range: none Quick history: She was laid down on 29 January 1925, launched on 27 January 1926 and commisioned on 5 May 1927. She spent most of the war up to 1942 escorting North Atlantic and Russian convoys, moving to the Mediterranean and taking part in Operation Pedestal, until returning to home waters in 1943 for the duration of the war. By 1944 she was reduced to acting as a target and was broken up by West of Scotland Shipbreaking at Troon in 1949. In World of Warships: With 4x1 120mm guns, HMS Amazon is better in gun fights than Mutsuki and T-22, but worse than Podvoisky and Jianwei. HMS Amazon has 2x3 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes which is worse than Mutsuki but better (or at least similiar) to other destroyers. At tier V, British destroyers would have Defensive AA fire consumable which, with great AA guns of this destroyer, would make HMS Amazon destroyer with the best AA defence. She is also fast and maneuverable. However, she still has worse consealment of her predecessor. Tier VI HMS Comet (H00) C-class destroyer Displacement: -standard: 1,397 tons -full load: 1,895 tons Length: 329 ft (100.3 m) Beam: 33 ft (10.1 m) Draught: 12 ft 6 in (3.8 m) Speed: 36 knots Armament: 4x1 QF 4.7-inch Mk IX guns Torpedoes: 2x4 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: 1x1 – QF 3-inch 20 cwt anti-aircraft gun Medium range: 2 × 1 – QF 2-pounder Mk II AA guns Short range: none Quick history: She was laid down on 12 September 1930 and launched on 30 September 1931. After sea trials in May 1932, Comet was commissioned for service in the 2nd Destroyer Flotilla. On 21 July, she was damaged in a collision with her sister Crescent at Chatham. Following the Italian invasion of Abyssinia, Comet was sent in August 1935 to the Red Sea with the other ships of the 2nd Flotilla. Comet returned to the UK in April 1936 and refitted at Sheerness between 23 April and 29 June. She saw service in the Home and Mediterranean Fleets and the ship spent six months during the Spanish Civil War in late 1936 in Spanish waters. In April 1937 she returned to Portsmouth with Glorious, and on 20 May the ship participated in the Coronation Review of the fleet at Spithead by King George VI. Four days later, Comet began a refit at Portsmouth that lasted until 18 June. On 11 June she was commissioned by the RCN and renamed Restigouche. Restigouche was assigned to the Canadian Pacific Coast and arrived at Esquimalt on 7 November 1938. She remained there until she was ordered to Halifax, Nova Scotia on 15 November 1939 where she escorted local convoys. On 9 June, Restigouche was ordered to Le Havre, France to evacuate British troops, but only found some element of the 51st Infantry division. After returning to England, Restigouche escorted several troop convoys on the last legs of their journeys from Canada, Australia and New Zealand. On 23 June, the ship escorted the ocean liner SS Arandora Star to St. Jean de Luz to evacuate Polish troops and British refugees trapped by the German Army in south-western France. On 25 June 1940, Restigouche helped to rescue crew from light cruiser HMS Calcutta. The ship was transferred to the Western Approaches Command afterwards for convoy escort duties. Whilst guarding the battleship Prince of Wales at Placentia Bay on 8 August, Restigouche damaged her propellers when she struck bottom and required repairs that lasted until October. Other changes made during the war (exactly when these occurred is unknown) included the replacement of 'A' gun by a Hedgehog anti-submarine spigot mortar, exchanging her two quadruple .50-calibre Vickers machine guns mounted between her funnels for two Oerlikon 20 mm AA guns and the removal of her 2-pounder AA gun. Restigouche was assigned to the Mid-Ocean Escort Force when her refit was finished and served with a variety of escort groups. Then she was transferred to 12th Escort Group in early 1944 for anti-submarine operations in the Western Approaches. In June–July 1944, Restigouche patrolled in the English Channel and the Bay of Biscay hunting for German submarines trying to sink Allied shipping. On the night of 5–6 July, the ship and the rest of the 12th Escort Group sank three small German patrol boats off Brest. The following month, the 12th Support Group, including Restigouche, engaged three minesweepers on 12 August, without sinking any. on 14 February 1945 and began escorting local convoys. This lasted until the end of the war in May, after which the ship was used to transfer returning troops from Newfoundland to mainland Canada until she was paid off on 5 October. Restigouche was sold for scrap in 1946. In World of Warships: HMS Comet has more torpedoes that her predecessor (8 in total agains 6), they have higher damage, range and they are little bit faster. Only Fubuki and Shinonome have more torpedoes, Farragut, Ernst Gadae have too 8 torpedoes while Grevny and Fushun has only 6. However, this comes at the price of having the same amount of guns as her predecessor. Every other destroyer in this tier has also 4 guns in total but with better reload time or better damage per shot (with exceptions-Fubuki and Hatsuharu). HMS Comet is again fast, maneuverable and has worse concealment, but not the worst. However, Comet has little bit worse AA defence than her predecessor- Amazon. Tier VII HMS Saumarez (G12) S-class destroyer Displacement: -standard:1,730 tons Length: 363 ft (111 m) Beam: 35 ft (11 m) Draught: 14 ft (4.3 m) Speed: 36.75 knots (68.06 km/h; 42.29 mph) Armament: 4x1 4.7-inch (120-mm) QF Mk IX guns Torpedoes: 2x4 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: 4x1 4.7-inch (120-mm) QF Mk IX guns Medium range: 2x1 40mm Bofors (1x2) Short range: 8x1 20mm Oerlikon guns Quick history: HMS Saumarez was an S-class destroyer of the Royal Navy, completed on 1 July 1943. As a flotilla leader, her standard displacement was 20 tons heavier than other ships of her class. After working up, the Saumarez was allocated to the 3rd Destroyer Flotilla, Home Fleet, and shortly after to the 23rd Destroyer Flotilla, working with the Arctic convoys. She was one of the escorts which sailed from Iceland on 23 October, taking with them five Russian minesweepers and six Russian motor launches, to bring back from the Kola Inlet thirteen ships which had been there since the Spring. The convoy (RA 54A) sailed from Arkhangelsk on 1 November and arrived in United Kingdom ports on 13 and 14 November without loss. She participated in battle against German battleship Scharnhorst on 26 December. In Operation Neptune, the landings in Normandy in June 1944, Saumarez was Senior Officer's ship of the 23rd Destroyer Flotilla, which gave gun support to Force S in the assault on Ouistreham. Saumarez and the destroyer Onslaught engaged a convoy of three or four minesweepers and one merchant vesseloff St Peter Port, Guernsey on 14 August. Early in January 1945, Saumarez left from the Clyde to rendezvous with the aircraft carrier Formidable and escort her from Alexandria to Colombo. In April,Saumatez participated in bombardment of Oleelhoe, Sumatra. She was part of the Carrier Force in Operation Bishop and then took part in Operation Dukedom, which was mounted to attack a Japanese naval force reported sailing from Singapore on 10 May 1945. Saumarez, Verulam and Vigilant in one division and Venus and Virago in a second, were diverted to intercept the Japanese cruiser Haguro and destroyer Kamikaze. They managed to destroy Haguro but Kamikaze escaped. After war has ended, she returned to UK and then, in March 1946, served in Mediterranean. On 22 October, Saumarez struck a mine, which caused severe damage and 30 deaths among her crew. Saumarez was then moved to Malta, where she remained until September 1950. In February 1948 approval to scrap Saumarez was given. In World of Warships: HMS Saumarez has better AA defence (40mm Bofors and dual-purpose artillery) and higher damage for her torpedoes. She can't have as much torpedoes as Shiratsuyu (with torpedo reload booster) but 8 torpedoes are still decent at this tier. Her main guns are upgraded- faster reload and slightly better damage per shot but she will be defeated by Minsk, Gadjah Mada or Leberecht Maas. She is still fast and maneuverable. Her advantage over her predecesser is better concealment. Tier VIII HMS Lightning (G55) L-class destroyer Displacement: -standard: 1,920 tons Length: 362.5 ft (110.5 m) Beam: 36.7 ft (11.2 m) Draught: 12.5 ft (3.8 m) Speed: 36 knots (66.7 km/h) Armament: 3×2 QF 4.7 inch Mark XI gun L/50 (120 mm), twin mounts HA/LA Mk.XX Torpedoes: 2x4 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: 3×2 QF 4.7 inch Mark XI gun L/50 (120 mm), twin mounts HA/LA Mk.XX Medium range: 1x4 QF 2 pdr Mk.VIII L/39 (40 mm), quad mount Mk.VII Short range: 4x1 20mm Oerlikon guns Quick history: She was launched on 22 April 1940. She would be the 10th Royal Navy ship to bear the name Lightning. On 25 March 1942, Lightning was adopted by the Borough of Doncaster as part of a Warship Week National Savings plan. She participated in Operation Substance, Operation Halberd, Operation Ironclad and Operation Pedestal. On her last voyage, Lightning left Bône alone, in the evening of Friday 12 March 1943 with nearly 230 weary young men aboard. At 22:15 on 12 March 1943, she was hit by 2 torpedoes, from German Motor Torpedo Boat S-55, 181 men from the crew survived the attack. HMS Lightning was replaced in Force Q by the Polish destroyer ORP Blyskawica. In World of Warships: At this tier British destroyers change to turrets with 2 guns in each of them. Better artillery at this tier is needed, thanks to threat such as Akizuki. She has still 2x4 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes, but these have improved range, speed and reload time. But, If you want torpedo focus destroyer, than there is still better option- Kagero. HMS Lightning has, thanks to Defensive AA fire, the best AA defence of all tier VIII destroyers (only Akizuki has similiar AA, but doesn't have this consumable). She is still fast (but can't compete with with Kiev) and maneuverable. Her concealment is again not the best and not the worst. Tier IX HMS Jutland (D62) (Originally ordered as Malplaquet, but name changed after launching) Battle-class destroyer Displacement: -standard: 2,480 tonstons (1943) -full load: 3,430 tonstons (1943) Length: 379 ft (116 m) Beam: 40 ft 6 in (12.34 m) Draught: -12 ft 8 in (3.86 m) mean -17 ft 6 in (5.33 m) maximum Speed: 35.75 knots (66.21 km/h) Armament: 2×2 4.5 in guns QF Mark III on mount BD Mk. IV 1×1 single 4.5 in gun QF Mark IV on mount CP Mk. V Torpedoes: 2x5 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: 2×2 4.5 in guns QF Mark III on mount BD Mk. IV 1×1 single 4.5 in gun QF Mark IV on mount CP Mk. V Medium range: 2×2 40 mm Bofors mounts "STAAG" Mk. II 1×2 40 mm Bofors mounts "utility" Mk. V 2×1 40 mm Bofors mount Mk. VII Short range: none Quick history: HMS Jutland (D62) was named after the Battle of Jutland, the largest naval battle of the First World War. She was ordered in 1943, laid down in 1945 and launched on 20 February 1946. In September 1948, Jutland, in company with the two carriers HMS Theseus and HMS Vengeance on the way to South Africa. After the group's visit to South Africa, they performed a number of naval exercises before returning to the UK in December. In 1950 Jutland was temporarily laid-up, but the following year she returned to active service, seeing service with the Home and Mediterranean Fleets. In 1952, as part of the 4th Destroyer Squadron, Jutland visited the Middle East, during the troubles in Egypt. In 1953 she took part in the Fleet Review to celebrate the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II and was subsequently placed in Reserve. In 1957, Jutland joined the Home and subsequently the Mediterranean Fleets as part of the 7th Destroyer Squadron. The following year, during a daytime exercise off Malta, Jutland collided with her sister-ship HMS Dunkirk, causing minor damage. In 1961 Jutland was placed in reserve. She was subsequently placed on the disposal list and broken up at Faslane in 1965. In World of Warships: HMS Jutland is the first destroyer with quintuple torpedo tubes. This gives her devastating potential to kill anything with one salvo of torpedoes. Her torpedoes have better damage but remain otherwise the same as torpedoes of her predecessor. Her AA defence is, once again, the best in her tier (with Fletcher). She has only 5 guns, one gun less than Lightning, but they have faster reload and more range. She is quite fast, but it isn't so great at this tier, and maneuverable. Her concealment is again not the best and not the worst. Tier X HMS Daring (D05) Daring-class destroyer Displacement: -standard: 2,830 tons -full load: 3,820 tons Length: 390 ft (120 m) Beam: 43 ft (13 m) Draught: 12.75 ft (3.89 m) Speed: 30 knots (56 km/h; 35 mph) Armament: 3x2 QF 4.5 inch /45 (113 mm) Mark V Torpedoes: 2x5 21inch (533mm) torpedo tubes AA defence: Long range: 3x2 QF 4.5 inch /45 (113 mm) Mark V Medium range: 2x2 40mm /60 Bofors Mk.II 2x1 40mm /60 Bofors Mk.V Short range: none Quick history: The Daring class was a class of eleven destroyers built for the Royal Navy (8 ships) and Royal Australian Navy (3 ships). Constructed after World War II, and entering service during the 1950s. The Daring-class ships were both the largest and most heavily armed ships serving in Commonwealth navies to be classified as destroyers. They were also the last destroyers of the RN and RAN to possess guns as their main armament (instead of guided missiles). The Daring-class destroyers were in service in the RN and RAN from the 1950s to the 1980s. Following decommissioning, two Royal Navy Darings were sold to Peru, which operated one ship until 1993 and the other until 2007. In World of Warships: Her armament changes again to 3x2 layot. However, these guns have insane reload time, even better than Gearin (slightly but still). Her AA defence is, once again, one of the best in her tier. Her torpedoes have more range at the cost of longer reload. At long range gun fight, she will be defeated by Khabarovsk, thanks to "catapult launcher" ballistic curve. However, this can be used for shooting over island while remaining in cover. She has to pay for these advantages. Her speed is one of the lowest but her maneuverability is good enought. Her concealment is decent. Summary: The British destroyers could be divided into these groups: -tier II to III - destroyers with few great torpedoes with fast reload and mediocre artillery -tier IV - destroyer with good artillery and short-range torpedoes -tier V to tier VII - destroyers with great or the best AA defence in their tier, decent artillery and torpedoes -tier VIII to X - destroyers with fast firing guns in twin mountings, one of the best AA defence (or the best) in their tier, great torpedoes and lower speed British destroyers would be somewhere between US and Japanese destroyers. They have great AA defence, better torpedoes than American destroyers but worse than Japanese destroyers. They also have better artillery than Japanese destroyers but (on avarage) slightly worse artillery than American destroyers. I will be glad if you leave your comment below. I hope you enjoyed this article and have a nice day. Resources: Informations: Book- Encyklopedie Válečných lodí od 2. světové války až po současnost, Robert Jackson, Naše Vojsko wikipedia-HMS Lance -HMS Valentine (L69) -HMS Lancaster -HMS Amazon (D39) -HMS Comet (H00) -HMS Saumarez (G12) -HMS Lightning (G55) -HMS Jutland (D62) -HMS Daring (D05) -List of destroyer classes of the Royal Navy Pictures: battleships-cruisers-laforey class wikipedia-HMS Valentine (L69) -Town-class desrtoyer -HMS Amazon (D39) -HMS Comet (H00) -HMS Saumarez (G12) -HMS Jutland (D62) pinterest.uk -HMS Lightning -HMS Daring
  9. ledgeri

    Compensation for Guineas

    The offers are our for the Cossack and the Guineas. My question is, what will happen with the unused guineas? I mean there is a one time only pack for 10, and various pack from 1 to 40. What will happen the guineas, when e.g. i get the pack of 10 when i reach the 40 ingame, but after that i get 2 or more in the game? Will be changed for credits or soomething else, or this is "collateral loss"?
  10. io_pilot

    Royal Navy Arc

    The new event was anounced: https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/royal-navy/ Over all i like it, but a question: how many sovereigns can you get without getting in the hall of Fame?
  11. I am well aware that WG are saying that they will not introduce battlecruisers as a separate class, however, there is still scope for including them in the game as fast battleships in the lower tiers, currently there are many famous ships excluded because WG are virtually ignoring this class of ship. I would have included Goeben under the Turkish name in the first part of the poll as well but you can only have 20 options in multiple choice. I would really like to see at least all the historic ships and possibly those that were laid down but scrapped under the Washington Treaty clauses (have also included 2 Alaska's but they are really large cruisers)
  12. Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, Here at The Royal Navy Elite Fleet we are currently looking for more players to extend our current clan, the rules for applying are very simple: You have to be 18+ Have a vgood sense of humor (this is a must) Be of good English speaking We use a private rented TeamSpeak server (not only for Clan Battles etc.) where most of our members hang out to play Warships together again, a sense of humour is a must !!!! Lol Be prepared to undertake Clan Battles Be part of the clan, We dont just want you sitting there doing nothing on your own We are a multi range clan from all walks of life and ages (most of our members are mid age), we all play Warships but also play a range of many other game titles. Either reply to our thread for more info or apply through the Clan Search function in-game. We hope to see you in TeamSpeak / Game soon Captains !!
  13. On 4 August 1960 HMS Vanguard was towed from Portsmouth Harbour to the Breakersyard at Faslane in the Gareloch,Scotland, just a few miles from where she first set sail in 1946. Under the command of Lt. Cdr. W.G. Frampton were two officers and sixty ratings.She had been sold to the British Iron and Steel Corporation for £560,000. A look back at halcyon days. Tip top old boy!
  14. Kiss_my_reticle

    British Heavy cruisers please...

    The Royal Navy had some very impressive ships that were not so paper thin and nerfed as the RN cruiser line is currently. It takes a lot of luck to survive, let alone win in a match with British cruisers as they are now. My Leander, Fiji, Edinburgh and Belfast (all skippers are Admiral of the fleet) are brilliant ships and great fun to play, but I certainly notice there have been balance "tweeks"... HMS Devonshire (County-class heavy cruiser) , HMS Achilles (Warrior class) , HMS Suffolk (Monmouth class), HMS Argonaut (Dido-class) , HMS York (York class) might be reasonable examples of fairly early Heavy/Armoured cruisers. Also, why were HMS HOOD's torpedo tubes omitted? The German tech tree for example has Battleships with torpedoes. I feel I am correct in saying that HOOD was fitted with 2 × 2 – 21-inch tubes. Is there some bias against the Royal Navy?? food for thought
  15. Worgenstern

    The Tonder Airraid

    Hi Fellow ship history fans For those in the neighborhood, there is an reenactment, with planes, of the Tonder Airraid on the 22. of July What is the Tonder airraid? well it's the first ever air attack carried out from a carrier. Hence I find rather relevant for WoWs :) (also I want Royal Navy carriers) Event link: Toender Airraid From Wiki; "The Tondern raid, officially designated Operation F.7, was a British bombing raid mounted by the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force against the Imperial German Navy's airship base at Tønder, Danmark, then a part of Germany. It was the first attack in history made by aircraft flying from a carrier flight deck." A bit more reference info: Wikipedia: >>LINK<< A private page: >>LINK<< Sincerely Worgenstern
  16. vojtaruner

    HMS Dido

    Hello everybody, I have put together history and possible implementation of light cruiser HMS Dido in World of Warships. Please keep in mind that this is just fan made, not official news of upcoming new ship. Also I apologize for any grammar mistakes, english is not my native language. HMS Dido History Creation Even before World War II, Royal Navy was aware of a threat posed by aircraft. The temporary solution was to rebuild old cruisers to floating air defence platforms. The other solution to this problem was to design a new light cruisers with appropriate air defence armament. This program produced 16 Dido-class cruisers. Dido-class cruisers had maximum speed just over 32 knots and could sail up to 4,880 miles with speed at 16 knots. She was armed with 5x2 5.25 inch dual purpuse guns, 3 turrets on the bow and 2 turrets on the stern. These turrets were originally designed for the King George-class battleships. However, thanks to heavy weight of the turrets, these dual purpuse guns weren't excellent for anti-aircraft fight and they weren't very effective against ground targets. She also carried 2x3 533mm torpedo tubes. Last five ships of the Dido-class didn't have 3 turrets on the bow, but only 2 turrets. They had reinforced mast and lower-profile smoke funnels. HMS Charybdis and Scylla were armed with 4,5 inch dual porpuse guns. They were cheaper and had better anti-aircraft capability. Ships of the class: -total number of ship produced: 16 -HMS Dido (1939) -HMS Euryalus (1939) -HMS Naiad (1939) -HMS Phoebe (1939) -HMS Sirius (1940) -HMS Bonaventure (1939) -HMS Hermione (1939) -HMS Charybdis (1940) -HMS Cleopatra (1940) -HMS Scylla (1940) -HMS Argonaut (1941) -HMS Bellona (1942) -HMS Black Prince (1942) -HMS Diadem (1942) -HMS Royalist (1942) -HMS Spartan (1942) Carrier HMS Dido (37) became the lead ship of this new class. Her keel was laid down on October 26th, 1937 by Cammell Laird of Birkenhead. She was launched on July 18th, 1939 and commissioned on September 30th, 1940. Dido's first mission, in November 1940, was to escort the aircraft carrier Furious to West Africa. Dido then spent four months on convoy duty in the Atlantic before running suppliesto Malta where she joined the Eastern Mediterranean Fleet in April 1941. In May 1941, she was sent to Crete and assisted in evacuation of the British forces. On 29 May 1941 Dido was badly damaged by bombs whilst taking troops from Crete to Alexandria. Then Dido was sent to the Brooklyn Navy Yard. There she was refitted and rejoined the Eastern Mediterranean Fleet in December 1941. The first three months of 1942 were spent on convoy escort duty between Alexandria and Malta. In March that year, Dido took part in a bombardment of Rhodes. A week later she participated in the Second battle of Sirte. On 18 August 1942 she returned to Massawa for repairs of the bomb-damaged stern. Dido then spent the rest of the year supporting the British campaign in North Africa before being transferred to the Western Mediterranean Fleet in December 1942. After that, Dido performed the duty of anti-aircraft guard at Bone and Algiers until March 1943. In April 1943, Dido returned to Liverpool for a 3-month refit before rejoining the Western Mediterranean squadron. In May 1943, Dido took part in diversionary bombardments against North Sicily during the landings. Dido was then used as an anti-aircraft guard for invasion bases at Palermo and Bizerte. On 12 September 1943, Dido escorted 600 troops to Taranto where the Italian Fleet surrendered. From Taranto, Dido went to Sorrento where she supported troops. October and November 1943, Dido returned to Alexandria for another refit. On return to service, Dido spent time in Malta and Taranto. After that, she participated in a diversionary action off Civitavecchia in support of the landing at Anzio. In August 1944, Dido supported the Allied landings in France and in September 1944 Dido returned to the UK. In October 1944, Dido escorted a convoy to Russia before supporting carrier strikes off Norway. In April 1945, Dido escorted Apollo, Orwell, and Obedient to the North Kola Inlet to lay mines. Dido's last mission in the war was to go to Copenhagen, firing the last naval shot in the war in Europe on the way, for the surrender of the German Kriegsmarine which was signed aboard Dido. After the signing, Dido escorted the German cruisers Prinz Eugen and Nürnberg to Wilhelmshaven. In July 1945, Dido took King George VI and Queen Elizabeth to the Isle of Man. In 1953 she took part in the Fleet Review to celebrate the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II. She was decommissioned and sold for scrap to Thos W Ward and scrapped at Barrow-in-Furness in 1957. Dido's blueprint HMS Dido in World of Warships: Class: light cruiser Tier: VI She would be a premium ship, purchased by dublons or free XP. She is a unique light cruiser and doesn't fit much in the light cruiser British tech tree. Dido-Hull A Based on HMS Dido (37) cruiser General characteristics: Lenght: 485 ft (147,83m) Beam: 50,5 ft (15,39m) Draught: 14 ft (4,27m) Displacement -standart: 5,600 tons (long) -loaded: 6,850 tons (long) Maneuverability: Engine power: 46,225 kW (62,000 horsepower) Maximum speed: 32,2 knots Turning circle radius: 600 m Rudder shift time: 8,6 sec. Armor and hitpoints: Hitpoints: 27 800 HP Armor: -belt: 76mm -deck: 25mm -magazines: 51mm -bulkheads: 25mm -turrets: 12,7mm Torpedo damage reduction: 4% Main armament: Main armament: 5x2 133 mm/50 QF Mk I Caliber: 5,25 inch (133mm) Rate of fire: 10 shots/min. Reload time: 6 sec. Rotation speed: 10 deg. per second Firing range: 11,97 km Maximum dispersion: 103m HE shell: 133 mm HE Mk IC Maximum HE shell damage: 1,900 Chance of fire on Target caused by HE shell: 8% Initial HE shell velocity: 792m/s HE shell weight: 80 lbs (36.3 kg) AP shell: 133 mm AP Mk IC Maximum AP shell damage: 2,200 Initial AP shell velocity: 792m/s AP shell weight: 80 lbs (36.3 kg) Torpedo tubes: Type: 533mm 2x3 21 inch (533mm) QR Mk IV Rate of fire: 0,83 shots/min. Reload time: 72 sec. Rotation speed: 25deg./sec. Torpedo: 533mm Mk IV Maximum damage: 15,433 Torpedo speed: 61 knots Torpedo range: 8km Secondary armament: none Anti aircraft defence: (1943 configuration) Long range (5km): 4x2 5,25 in (133mm) QF Mk I L/50 dual-purpose guns Medium range (3km): 3x4 40mm QF 2 pounder "Pom-pom" Short range (2km): 2x1 20mm Oerlikon 4x2 20mm Oerlikon Dido would have the best long AA defence in tier VI. Concealment: Surface detectability range: 9,62km Air detectability range: 6,28km Consumables: -Damage control party- 90sec.- infinite charges -Defensive AA fire- 2 charges This consumable will even more increase Dido AA defence. Defensive AA fire could be exchanged for hydroacoustic search. HMS Argonaut in wartime camouflage Dido-Hull B Based on HMS Charybdis (88) cruiser General characteristics: Lenght: 485 ft (147,83m) Beam: 50,5 ft (15,39m) -same as on the Hull A Draught: 14 ft (4,27m) Displacement -standart: 5,600 tons (long) -loaded: 6,850 tons (long) Maneuverability: Engine power: 46,225 kW (62,000 horsepower) Maximum speed: 32,2 knots -same as on the Hull A Turning circle radius: 600 m Rudder shift time: 8,6 sec. Armor and hitpoints: Hitpoints: 27 800 HP Armor: -belt: 76mm -deck: 25mm -magazines: 51mm -same as on the Hull A -bulkheads: 25mm -turrets: 12,7mm Torpedo damage reduction: 4% Main armament: Main armament: 4x2 4,5 inch (114,3mm) L/45 QF Mark IV Caliber: 4,5 inch (114,3mm) Rate of fire: 14 shots/min. Reload time: 4,2 sec. Rotation speed: 12 deg. per second Firing range: 11,51 km Maximum dispersion: 96m HE shell: 114,3 mm HE Mk I Maximum HE shell damage: 1,300 Chance of fire on Target caused by HE shell: 5% Initial HE shell velocity: 746 m/s HE shell weight: 55 pounds (24.9 kg) AP shell: 114,3 mm AP Mk I Maximum AP shell damage: 1,800 Initial AP shell velocity: 746 m/s AP shell weight: 55 pounds (24.9 kg) Torpedo tubes: Type: 533mm 2x3 21 inch (533mm) QR Mk IX Rate of fire: 0,83 shots/min. Reload time: 72 sec. Rotation speed: 25deg./sec. Torpedo: 533mm Mk IX Maximum damage: 15,867 Torpedo speed: 65 knots Torpedo range: 8km Secondary armament: none -same as on the Hull A Anti aircraft defence: (1943 configuration) Long range (5km): 4x2 4,5 in (114,3mm) L/45 QF Mark IV dual-purpose guns Medium range (3km): none Short range (2km): 10x1 20mm Oerlikon 3x2 20mm Oerlikon Hull B still has strong long range AA defence, but trades medium range defence for better short range defence and extra consumable. Concealment: Surface detectability range: 9,32km Air detectability range: 5,89km Consumables: -Damage control party- 90sec.- infinite charges -Defensive AA fire- 2 charges This consumable will even more increase Dido's AA defence. Defensive AA fire could be exchanged for hydroacoustic search. -Smoke generator- 2 charges -cooldown: 240 sec. -duration time: 99 sec. -emission time: 15 sec. HMS Charybdis Summary: Dido is light AA cruiser, similar to Atlanta, at tier VI and she plays very similar to Atlanta. Dido would have the "catapult launcher" guns with fast reload and weak armor. However, there are few differences: -Dido has better torpedoes -Atlanta has more guns -Dido has better concealment -Dido is one tier lower Because it is very similar to Atlanta I made 2 hull options: -Hull A- more guns with slower reload and better range and damage per shot - worse concealment than Hull B - only one consumable (I dont count Damage control party) - slightly worse torpedoes - slightly better long range and medium range AA defence -Hull B- less guns with lower caliber and damage per shot and slightly worse range - slightly better concealment - one consumable more -better short range AA defence Reason why I made two hulls for Dido is simples. I didn't want Dido to be Atlanta at tier VI. Also it is good to have options. Hull A has more damage per minute while Hull B is for more dangerous gameplay. I will be glad if you leave your comment below. I hope you enjoyed this article and have a nice day. Resourses: Informations: Militaryfactory-HMS Dido (37) cmchant-Dido class cruiser wikipedia- HMS Dido (37) wikipedia- HMS Chyribdis Book- Encyklopedie Válečných lodí od 2. světové války až po současnost, Robert Jackson, Naše Vojsko Pictures: Wikipedia-Dido-class cruisers ww2today-23rd October 1943
  17. vojtaruner

    HMS Ark Royal

    Hello everybody, I have put together history and possible implementation of aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal in World of Warships. Please keep in mind that this is just fan made, not official news of upcoming new ship. Also I apologize for any grammar mistakes, english is not my native language. I think that aircraft carriers of the Royal Navy are little bit in a shadow of US and Japanese carriers. Although Royal Navy didn't have that many carriers and they weren't as huge as US and Japanese counterparts, they had great influence on creating and shaping the modern carriers of that time. They have good potential to become next aircraft carrier branch in World of Warships (at least to tier VIII, like Akizuki branch). HMS Ark Royal History Creation HMS Ark Royal(91) was an aircraft carrier of the Royal Navy. HMS Ark Royal was designed in 1934 and she had to fit the restrictions of Washington Naval Treaty. She was build by Cammell Laird and Company Ltd. at Birkenhead in England and fully completed in November 1938. Due to smaller budget of the Royal Navy was HMS Ark Royal first aircraft carrier since 1930 (when Royal Navy received HMS Glorious). On the other hand thanks to a lot of time engineers put into designing her, she had well-resolved hull and become inspiration for next aircraft carriers. She was the first ship where flight deck and two deck level hangars were an integral part of the hull, instead of an add-on or part of the superstructure. She was equipped with modern equipment, such as arrestor gear and compressed steam catapults and 3 lifts. Althought it was used welding for 65% of the hull instead of riverting (this saved 510t), the armoured flight deck (that was planned) would increase ship's displacement, and she would have more that 22 000t and therefore she would exceed the weight limit set by the Washington and London Naval treaties. Armour plating was limited to belt, engine rooms and magazines. She was also equipped with three layer side protection system based upon a void-liquid-void scheme that was designed to protect against torpedoes with 750-pound (340kg) warhead (similar system was used on King George V-class). The ship was fitted with six boilers, which powered three Parsons geared turbines. The turbines were connected via three drivesshafts to three propellers. This allowed Ark Royal to sail with speed up to 31,2 knots. Cammell Laird and Company Ltd. calculated the cost of the hull at 1,496,250 GBP and the main machinery at approximately 500,000 GBP. (This is equivalent to 95,320,000 GBP for the hull and 31,850,000 GBP for main machinery in 2016) Career Hunter-killer groups Although intended for Far East , events in Europe (Italian invasion of Abyssinia, Spanish civil war) caused that she remain in with Home and Mediterranean Fleets. After her crew joined at the end of 1938, she underwent sea trials. The outbreak of the Second World War on 3 September 1939 had been presaged by Germany's U-boat fleet taking up positions off the British coast, where they could intercept British shipping. Ark Royal was deployed with Home fleet in the North Western Approaches as part of 'hunter-killer' group. On 14 September, Ark Royal received a distress call from cargo ship that was under pursuit from the surfaced U-30. Ark Royal launched aircrafts but was spotted by U-39 which launched two torpedoes. Ark Royal turned towards the attack. She dodged the torpedoes and her aircraft began depth charge U-39 and forced the submarine to the surface. U-39's crew left the submarine, than she was sunk. This was first destroyed U-boat during WWII. Then Ark Royal's aircrafts reached the cargo ship but the attack failed and she was sunk by U-30. After the succesful attack on Courageous on 17 September, carrier-centred hunter-killers groups were abbandoned. Near miss On 25 September, Ark Royal helped to rescue the submarine Spearfish. When she was returning with Spearfish and battleships Nelson and Rodney on 26 September, she was located by three Dornier Do18 seaplanes. Four bombers Junker Ju88 later appeared. Three of them were driven away, but the fourth dropped 1000kg bomb at the carrier. Luckily the bomb missed the ship and fell 30 meter away. Splash from the missing bomb near HMS Ark Royal Hunting the Graff Spee In October 1939 she was deployed to Freetown to operate off the African coast in the hunt for the German Admiral Graff Spee. The carrier was assigned to Force K. On 9 October her aircraft spotted the German tanker Altmark, which supplied Graff Spee. On 5 November Ark Royal captured merchant SS Uhenfels. Meanwhile Graff Spee arrived to Montevideo to repair damage received after battle of the River Plate. Two Royal Navy cruiser followed Graff Spee and guarded the harbour entrance. Ark Royal and Renown were dispatched to join these cruisers, but they were 36 hours away. British attaché came with a plan. They ordered fuel for Ark Royal in Buenos Aires, 140 miles away from Montevideo. This information leaked and convinced German embassy in Montevideo. Graff Spee's captain later made the decision to scuttle the ship. Return Shortly after Graff Spee was sunk, Ark Royal escorted damaged heavy cruiser Exeter to Devon Dockyard. They arrived in February. After carrier was resupplied, she was assigned to the Mediterranean Fleet for exercises. On 31 March she departed with aircraft carrier Glorious and headed to Alexandria. They arrived on 8 April. However the exercises were cancelled a day later. Then they sailed to Gibraltar. Norwey After German forces had invaded Norwey on 9 April, Royal Navy needed air support for their ships and therefor she was assigned with Glorious here. She arrived on 25 April 1940. Her planes provide air support against bombers ,submarines and targets at the shore. On 27 April she returned to Scapa Flow to refuel and replace lost aircraft. On the way back Ark Royal was attacked by German Junker Ju 88 and Heinkel He 111 bombers. The carrier wasn't damaged and resumed position on 29 April. However situation here was untenable and evacuation began. While she was covering the retreat, several bombs were dropped at the carrier, but none of them hit. Once she was refueled, she provided air support for operations around Narvik. At that time German advanced to England channel. Ark Royal again covered evacuation of Allied forces. On 8 June Glorious with 2 destroyers detached to return to Britain, but were later attacked and sunk by Scharnhorst and Gneisenau. Ark Royal's planes searched for them but unsuccesfully. On 9 June she left Narvik with escort. On 13 June her aircraft attacked Scharnhorst. The attack was fiasco. The escort destroyers collided while Ark Royal was launching aircraft and had to return to England for repairs, 8 of 15 planes were shot down and Scharnhorst didn't received any damage. Gibraltar After return she was assigned to Medditerranean fleet. She and the fleet (Hood and 3 destroyers) arrived at Gibraltar on 23 June 1940. Here she joined Force H. After capitulation of France there was the possibility that French might fall under Axis control at Mers-el-Kébir. Ark Royal's captain was sent to negotiate the surrender or scuttling of the French ships but French admirals refused to agree to the offered terms. After rejection, Force H opened fire on French fleet. During attack, Ark Royal's planes provided spotting for British ships. Two days later, her aircraft attacked Dunkerque. On 8 July Force H sailed out of Gibraltar. After 8 hours, they were attacked by Italian bombers. Althought they weren't damaged, they were ordered to return. From 31 July to 4 August, Force H was deployed to Malta. Carrier Argus delivered Hawker Hurricanes to Malta while Ark Royal provided air support and launched successful air attack against Italian base at Caglairi. On 1 October sailed out of Gibraltar and escorted reinforcements to Alexandria. En route, attacks were carried out on Italian bases at Elmas and Cagliari as a diversion. From Alexandria, Ark Royal was sent to West Africa to support British attempts to convince Vichy France to switch to Free French. Negotiations failed and supported unsuccessful attempt to take Dakar by force. After this mission, she returned to Liverpool on 8 October, escorted by 3 destroyers. Here she received new flight deck barrier and was repaired. Then she sailed again to Gibraltar. With Force H, she escorted convoys from Gibraltar to Alexandria and Malta. Giulio Cesare and Vittorio Veneto were dispatched to intercept the convoy. Italian battleships were spotted by Ark Royal's planes and later attacked (with ships from Force H). During this fight Italian destroyer was damaged. After that she searched for commerce raiders in Atlantic. If Spain chose to ally Axis, Gibraltar was likely to be lost. Royal Navy wanted to show power to Spain, so Admirality planned to use Ark Royal's bombers in raid agains Italian targets. The first bombing against Tirso Dam in Sardinia was unsuccessful. More successful was 2nd bombing- port city of Genoa. Her plains covered battlecruiser Renown and battleship Malaya while they shelled the port. Next mission, to attack oil rafinery and lay mines in harbour in La Spezia, was succesful. Searching for Scharnhorst and Gneisenau In February 1941 Scharnhorst and Gneisenau headed to Atlantic. They were to disrupt Allied shipping and draw capital ships from other areas. On 8 Force H and Ark Royal were ordered to the Canary Islands to searched for them and cover convoys from United States. On 21 March Ark Royal's plane found them at sea. Thanks to radio malfunction, Fairey Fulmar had to return to report their position. Scharnhorst and Gneisenau escaped before Force H could find them again. HMS Ark Royal and Swordfish Malta convoys Ark Royal spent April alternating between covering convoys and delivering aircraft to Malta and forays into the Atlantic to hunt commerce raiders. By May 1941, Erwin Rommel and his forces were driving towards the Suaz Canal while they forced Allied forces to retreat. British High Command sent convoy with reinforcements to Alexandria. This was risky move. Ark Royal, with battlecruiser Renown, battleship Queen Elizabeth, cruisers Sheffield, Nainad, Glouster and the 5th Destroyer Flotilla, escorted 5 transport ships. They left on 6 May and were detected by Italian aircraft. This large convoy was juicy target and Axis didn't want to miss. On 8 May, convoy was under attack by Italian and then German planes. During the engagement, 12 Ark Royal's fighters drove off over 50 aircraft. The convoy survived without any serious damage, only Empire Song sunk after hitting a mine and Zealand Star was damaged. On 12 May, Ark Royal was attacked again by enemy aircraft, during her return to Gibraltar. After that she and HMS Furious carried Hawker Hurricanes to Malta. Bismarck On 18 May 1941, the German cruiser Prinz Eugen and battleship Bismarck began operation Rheinübung by breaking into the Atlantic to raid shipping. After sinking battlescruiser Hood and damaging battle ship Prince of Wales, Bismarck set sail to French Atlantic coast. Ark Royal, Renown, Sheffield with their escort-Faulknor, Foresight, Forester, Fortune, Foxhound and Fury- started searching for Bismarck on 23 May. On 26 May, Ark Royal's Swordfish found Bismarck. Swordfish followed her while the Home Fleet was mobilized to pursue. At that time, British ships wouldn't catch Bismarck before she reached French coast. Fifteen Swordfish bombers were sent to delay the ship. Sheffield, also shadowing Bismarck, was mistook for Bismarck and bombers attacked her. Luckily, Sheffield evaded the torpedoes and the only one that hit, didn't explode. After the bombers returned, they were resupplied and sent again. At the sunset, they attacked Bismarck. Two torpedoes hit engine room and one hit the steering compartment and jammed the rudder in 15° port turn. Thanks to this attack, British ships caught up Bismarck and sunk her. Malta convoys Force H with Ark Royal terurned to Gibraltar on 29 May 1941.The war in Mediterranean was going agains the Allies. Greece and Crete had fallen and Africa Corps was preparing to push into Egypt. Malta remained important island. Under pressure from German and Italian air attacks, Malta couldn't be supplied from the east since fall of Crete. Throughout June and July, Ark Royal was delivering aircraft to Malta and she escorted convoys of Operation Substance (July) and Oúeration Halbert (September). Despite losses, convoys kept Malta combatable. This was problem for Africa Corps because they were loosing about 1/3 of supplies from Italy, thanks to submarines and bombers from Malta. Adolf Hitle decided to sent here U-boat flotilla to attack convoys. Final voyage On 10 Novermber 1941, Ark Royal ferried planes to Malta. After this, she was returning to Gibraltar. On 13 November, at 15:41 she was hit by torpedo from U-81, between fuel bunkers and bomb store, directly below bridge island. The torpedo created hole below water-line and caused flooding of the starboard boiler room, oil tanks, main switchboard and starboard bilge. The rear part of the ship lost power. After torpedo struck, Captain Maund ordered the engines to full stop. The ship's continued motion enlarged the hole in the hull, and by the time she stopped, she had taken large amount of water and began to list to starboard. Considering the list of the carrier, and the fact that other carriers, including Courageous and Glorious, had sunk rapidly with heavy loss of life, Maund gave the order to abandon ship. The crew were assembled to flight deck and was divided to two groups. First group would remain on ship and try to save her and the second group was taken by Legion. As a result, comprehensive damage control measures were not initiated until 49 minutes after the torpedo struck. The flooding spread, exacerbated by covers and hatches left open during evacuation of the lower decks. After water got to centreline boiler room, ship lost all power and Ark Royal didn't have any backup diesel generators. About hlaf an hour after the attack, Ark Royal appeared to stabilise. Admiral Somerville ordered damage control parties back to the ship. The damage control parties re-lit a boiler, restoring power to the bilge pumps. The destroyer Laforey came alongside to provide power and addicional pumps, while Swordfish aircraft from Gibraltar began anti-submarine patrols. The tug Thames from Gibraltar arrived at 20:00 and attached tow line to her. Flooding caused the ship to list more and the rising water again shut down the restored boiler. The list reached 20° between 02:05 and 02:20. When ship's list reached 27°, it was decided to abbandon ship. The crew avacuated to Legion by 04:30. Only one man died thanks to explosion and the 1,487 officers and crew were transported to Gibraltar. The list reached 45° before she capsized and sank at 06:19 on 14 November. Ark Royal then broke in two, the aft sinking within a couple of minutes, followed by the bow. Summary of history Ark Royal was modern aircraft carrier of that time. She participated in many operations and she has rich history. HMS Ark Royal last voyage HMS Ark Royal in World of Warships: Class: Aircraft carrier Tier: VI I think that she could be part of new British aircraft carrier branch or premium ship. General characteristics: Lenght: 800 ft (240m) overall 721 ft (219,91m) at the waterline Beam: 94 ft 6 in (28,895m) Draught: 27,8 ft 9,6 in (8,717m) Displacement -standart: 22 000t -loaded: 28,160 t Maneuverability: Engine power: 76,816 kW Maximum speed: 31,2 knots Turning circle radius: 840 m Rudder shift time: 16,2 sec. Armor and hitpoints: Hitpoints: 41 200 HP Armor: -belt and hangars: 4,5 in (11,4cm) -deck-over boiler rooms and magazines: 3,5 in (8,9cm) Torpedo damage reduction: 6% Secondary armament: 8x2 4,5 in (114mm) L/45 QF Mark I Anti aircraft defence: (after modernation in May 1941) Long range (5km): 8x2 4,5 in (114mm) L/45 QF Mark I Medium range (3km): 6x8 40mm L/39 QF Mark VIII "Pom-pom" Short range (2km): 8x4 12,7mm L/62 MG Mark III Ark Royal would have slightly better long range AA defence than Ryujo and Independence, but worse mid-range AA defence than Independence and worse short-range AA defence than Ryujo but slightly better than Independence. Air group: Air group is the main strike force of an aircraft carrier. Ark Royal is the same. Fighters: Fairey Fulmar-speed: 158 knots -average damage per second: 42 -loadout: 65 -hitpoints: 1,180 HP Torpedo bombers: Fairey Albacore -speed: 128 knots -maximum torpedo damage: 8135 HP -hitpoints: 1 140 HP Dive bombers: Blackburn Skua -speed: 122 knots -maximum bomb damage: 4400 HP (HE bomb) -hit points: 1 150 HP Ark Roayl's planes are slightly inferior to Ryujo's or Indepedence's planes but are little bit better than planes from lower tier. Why? There are 2 reasons: -historical, if we compare British, US and Japanese planes: - Fairey Fulmar is worse that A6M2 Zero and F6F Hellcat - Fairey Albacore is slightly worse than Nakajima B5N2 and Douglas DBT - Blackburn Skua is worse than Aichi D3A1 and Douglas SBD-5 -balancing- see hangar capacity Flight control: I suggest that Ark Royal would have 5 groups of planes with 4 planes in each one of them. Only flight control mod:- 2 fighter group - 2 torpedo bomber groups - 1 dive bomber groups This is balanced flight control mod. I think that Ark Royal would have only one flight control mod because she has 5 groups of planes, 1/2/2 flight mod or 3/1/1 flight mod already has Ryujo and playing aircraft carrier with same flight control mod and not that much different planes wouldn't be original. Hangar capacity: Ark Royal was designed to carry 72 planes. However, planes were getting bigger and heavier and took more space. Therefore the real hangar capacity was up to 60 planes. I wouldn't give her 60 planes, but 55 instead because 60 is too much. Still, this is more than any CV at tier VI. Ryujo has 48 planes and Independence has 37 planes. With hangar capacity of 55 planes, Ark Royal has 14,58% more planes than Ryujo and 48,64% more planes than Independence. But still it is less than Hyriu (72) and Ranger (73) at tier VII. Concealment: Surface detectability range: 12,9km Air detectability range: 10,2km Ark Royal-blueprint Summary: HMS Ark Royal would be bigger aircraft carrier with worse concealment, rudder shift time and turning circle radious but nice speed. She would have more aircraft at the cost of their quality, with universal flight control mod. Her AA defence would be good, but not fantastic. As I have said at the beginning, I think that British aircraft carriers have good potencial to become next carrier branch in WoWs. But only time will reveal, if they will be in World of Warships or not. I will be glad if you leave your comment below. I hope you enjoyed this article and have a nice day. Resourses: Informations: Book- Encyklopedie Válečných lodí od 2. světové války až po současnost, Robert Jackson, Naše Vojsko Forum.valka-HMS Ark Royal Wikipedia- HMS Ark Royal Pictures: Wikipedia-HMS Ark Royal The Blueprints- HMS Ark Royal
  18. Trouble brewed just after destroyer elements the Atlantic Fleet on the 14th of September fresh from a gunnery exercise with the target ship HMS Centurion, dropped anchor at the deep water anchorage at Cromarty Firth, Scotland near the small town of Invergordon. As well as the remote controlled target ship The fleet at anchor consisted of 3 battleships (two more had just left for a short exercise), 2 battle cruisers, 5 cruisers and the 3 destroyers. Naval ratings and Marines as always were keen to get ashore for liberty and there waiting for them was disturbing news in the national newspapers and general agreement of its unfairness by those already ashore since the 11th. Approximate anchorages of tthe Atlantic Fleet The Battlecruisers HMS Hood and HMS Repluse are coloured red the same as the battleships One of the ways for any Government to meet its financial obligations is to cut costs and one of the major costs for the Government at the time was the Royal Navy with its many bases, ships, officers, sailors, marines, fuel, stores, and consumables all there for protecting the homeland, colonies and maintaining the safety of the trade routes of the British Commonwealth but at the cost of many millions of pounds to the UK treasury per year. A major effort to cut Royal Navy costs had begun 6 years before the crisis in October 1925, when basic pay for new recruits (ratings and marines) was cut significantly from 4 shillings per day to 3 shillings per day. All recruits after the change had a different service number format to reflect this change i.e. a marine with a service number of CH/X678. The CH stands for Chatham Dockyard, X stands for the new pay rules post October 1925, and the number 678 would be the number of people enlisted after this change at this port. By September 1931 the UK Government was struggling to meet its financial commitments to staying within the Gold Standard as the Great Depression which had started in the late 1920's took hold across the globe. The savings made by the Royal Navy in 1925 were no longer enough, they would have to cut royal navy costs further to this end a Government committee proposed further cuts to Naval pay of between 7-10%. Whilst this cut would be a struggle for some of the officers and many Sailors and Marines on the lowest rates of pay this would be especially catastrophic for the Naval Ratings and Marines who had joined up before the pay cuts of 1925 as the new pay cut was based on the post 1925 pay rates and thus represented around a 25% cut in pay for them. Whilst in theory there was a married allowance to help sailors to support family in the early 1930's this was available for married over 25 year olds only so there were many people faced with a 25% pay cut with rents at their home port and girlfriends/wives and children to support as well as items they had to buy out of wages aboard ship. As was often the case the Navy only put up a notice explaining the changes the day after the Sailors and Marines saw the newspaper articles but by then it was far too late. On the 12th meetings were held at the Naval Canteen on shore and on a local sport pitch and it was decided that there should be a "pay strike," the word mutiny was not used as this naval offence still carried the death penalty. The decision to strike was communicated by returning sailors to the ships at anchor. On the 15th most of the larger ships HMS Hood and the three battleships in port began to face very significant problems, for example, on the Battleship HMS Valiant Seamen and even Marines (who would normally be expected to enforce naval discipline) were politely ignoring orders from officers and only undertaking the most essential safety tasks such as fire watching. HMS Valiant attempted to put to sea but as so many were refusing to obey orders it was unable to do so. Mutineers on an unidentified capital ship at Invergordon The unfortunate Rear Admiral in charge of the Atlantic fleet (who was blamed afterwards for the events by Government and his superiors) suspended naval exercises, cancelled leave and undertook investigations of the complaints from the ratings. The Admiralty discussed the complaints with the frightened government in London and a compromise position was reached where the pay cut would only be 10% based on a persons existing pay for all ranks, which helped to quickly end the mutiny on the 16th. The Atlantic fleet was rapidly returned to the ship's home ports. Although promising that no one would be punished by the Government, those ratings identified as the mutiny leaders were either imprisoned or quickly discharged from the service, and many other ratings and marines taking part were also punished including my cousin, once removed, a Royal Marine for 48 hours AWOL. This mutiny had a significant impact on the UK with the Government of the day fearful of a general communist uprising amongst “the masses” similar to Russia in 1917, which it was not, the mutiny was spontaneous and economic in nature and had no direct communist involvement. However both communist agitators and the British security services went looking for sailors in ports shortly after the mutiny and mostly found each other. Invergordon, as of 2018, was the last major mutiny for the Royal Navy. On the 21st October the stock market, greatly impacted by the shock of the Invergordon mutiny lead directly to the UK leaving the gold standard after 113 years of this monetary policy. The gold standard was a limit to the number of coins and notes in circulation based on how much gold there was stored in the Bank of England which is why we have the words “I promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of £x” on UK banknotes. We have never returned to the gold standard to this day as the growth of UK (and world) debt has made it unfeasible and the “promise” on the UK banknotes of today of exchanging the paper for gold is now an empty one.
  19. 'lo all. This is my first time on the forums, but as a regular WoWS player, I'm one of the many who would like to see HMS Vanguard introduced into the game. I know this discussion has been recycled, a lot, but I haven't seen any really detailed threads. Maybe there are and I've just missed them! People want Vanguard. The problem is balancing it. She was the last and most modern battleship, ever built, so she has to be of a relatively high tier. The game already has four Tier 7 Royal Navy "battleships" (air quotes for Hood), so T7 is oversaturated. Her 8x 15" guns sound fine on T6, but there's no way Vanguard should be down in T6, she's way too modern and was the successor to the T7 KGV class! So... T8 is the best fit, but balancing an eight-gunned 15" battleship at Tier 8, save from turning her into a Bismarck clone, would be challenging. I've been thinking on this and have a few ideas. I would like to hear what other people have to say and give their input. What is needed, I believe, is to make the under-gunned Vanguard feel modern. I'm not talking about skipping around at high speed, avoiding any kind of detection, twirling around her clunky opponents, all while laughing and flicking the two-fingered salute... no, I'm talking about a ship that feels unique and enjoyable to play, offers a little something different, is free from any game-breaking buffs and is strong and competitve, without ruining the enjoyment for the opposing team. I believe this ship can be made viable, while maintaining historical accuracy (which is something that matters to me), with every characteristic being based off of real world stats (as much as possible, at least!). I'll be quoting a lot from Wikipedia. ARMAMENT -Primary Battery Eight (4x twin) BL 15" Mk1 guns. Same as Warspite & Hood. This is the first hurdle: Warspite is to be feared in T6 matches and respected when fighting T8's. However, as a T8, Vanguard will have to face T10's... with eight 15" guns (!!). Big problem. What usually happens, in this scenario, is the ship is given an artificially-increased reload speed, to compensate for smaller guns, or lack of, or both (25s for Monarch, 26s for Bismarck & Tirpitz, 28s for Gascogne). It would be easy to slap a 25s reload on Vanguard and hope... but, please, don't!! Stick with the historically accurate 30s! A rate of fire buff is not required, to make this ship competitive. No, seriously, hear me out... The guns are small, for a Tier 8, yes. They are few, for a Tier 8, yes. They don't have a special reload, yes. So her shells don't do a lot of individual damage, she has a relatively small broadside and she doesn't fire that quickly. However... The guns in Vanguard were modernised, to the Mk I(N) RP12 design (more range). She could also utilise supercharges, increasing muzzle velocity, penetration and range. My idea would be to implement Vanguard into the game, so that her main guns are always using supercharges. If implemented properly, this would make Vanguard's guns competitive, despite the reduced number, smaller size and standard reload. An added benefit, is the people at WG could make the firing animation and sound of Vanguard's guns SPECTACULAR, owing to the supercharges! Imagine... a huge, thundering crack, an enormous muzzle-flash and an almighty spit of flame! She would have a badass reputation, from that, alone! Stats are as follows: Firing range- 30.68km (34.63km with supercharges). Now, obviously WoWs doesn't deal with actual ranges, more effective ranges (Warspite hit Giulio Cesare at 24.1km, but her in-game range is only 16.3km, for example), but it would be reasonable to give Vanguard an in-game range of around 20km, give-or-take. Muzzle Velocity- 749m/s (nothing confirmed for supercharges). This isn't enough. Luckily, if we follow the "Vanguard with supercharges" logic, we can boost that. I've seen quoted figues of over 850m/s, but let's say, for the sake of gameplay/balance, that Vanguard's guns have a velocity of around 920m/s. Let's also say, for the sake of balance, that her shells maintain good momentum, with low drag and good arcs (the shells fired are more modern than those of Warspite/Hood). This would give her 15" shells strong punching power. So another string to her bow would be increased penetration and normilisation angles. Krupp value would need to be increased, to make this work properly. "Ahh, but Roma has 15" guns and very good penetration, but suffers from over-pens on cruisers and bounces on battleships"... yes, but carrying-on the WoWs tradition that most British ships have fast-arming fuses on their AP shells, we give Vanguard the same 0.01s fuse times as the rest of the Royal Navy fleet (or similar, anyway). The fast fuses will ensure consistant penetrations -with less over-penetrations-, on cruisers... whereas the fast shells, with good normalisation angles would allow the shells to penetrate Battleship armour, before exploding, ensuring consistant penetrations and less bounces. This would mean that Vanguard would not be a long-range HE spammer and could reliably fire AP at battleships, at medium and long ranges. Obviously, they are still only 15" shells, so proper battleship & heavy cruiser angling & bow-tanking would defeat them, requiring a switch to HE. Proposed AP stats: Around 12k, extremely fast, enhanced normalisation, short fuse. Proposed HE stats: The same as Monarch would be fine. Vanguard has 1 less gun (broadside) and 2 less guns (bow-on), with less DPM, so she wouldn't be the devil fire-starter that opponents hate! Now, this is important: These guns have to be accurate. No, not accurate, but ACCURATE. I would propose WG make Vanguard the most accurate battleship in the game, with brilliant (for a battleship, we're not talking cruiser, here) horizontal & vertical dispersion and a sigma rating of 2.1. Yes, 2.1. Bearing in mind, this is not only an under-gunned battleship, but also THE MOST MODERN battleship, in the world, with extrordinarily advanced fire control systems: "Vanguard was unique among British battleships in having remote power control (RPC) for her main, secondary and tertiary guns along with the Admiralty Fire Control Table Mk X for surface fire control of the main armament. There were two director control towers (DCT) for the 15-inch guns, each carrying a "double cheese" Type 274 fire-control radar for range finding and spotting the fall of shot." " When the 15-inch gun turrets were modernised, their existing 15-foot (4.6 m) rangefinders were replaced by 30-foot (9.1 m) ones in all turrets except for 'A' and they were fitted for RPC in azimuth only. The turrets were also provided with de-humidifying equipment and insulation to improve their habitability." There is arguement here, to make Vanguard so accurate. Both with historical facts and gameplay balance in-mind. She can't throw as many -nor the biggest- shells down-range, so she needs to make each attack count. She could also be blessed with comfortable gunnery; fast (ish) rotating turrets, which would lend themselves to the more modern feel. Wherever you aim, these shells go! -In short, Vanguard's guns would provide less damage output per-shot, a weaker broadside, an ordinary reload and poor DPM... compared with those of almost all her rivals. But she would compensate, by having hard-hitting, deep-biting, reliable AP penetration and strong, dependable HE shells, both with high projectile speed, good arcs, shorter lead-times and monster accuracy. -Secondary Battery "The secondary armament consisted of sixteen 50-calibre QF 5.25-inch Mk I* dual-purpose guns in eight twin gun mounts. They had a maximum depression of −5° and a maximum elevation of 70°. They fired an 80-pound (36.3 kg) high-explosive shell at a muzzle velocity of 2,672 ft/s (814 m/s). The improved 5.25 turrets on Vanguard were claimed to be fully automatic, with a power-rammed breech and automatic tracking and elevation under radar control enabling a rate of fire of about 18 rounds per minute." OK, so 16 (8x twin) 5.25" rapid-firing secondaries. Not particularly impressive. Good for lightning fires, maybe. Give it a range of around 5km, give-or-take? The automatic tracking and elevation under radar control is interesting, make these the most accurate (if, somewhat weak) secondaries in the game. Dual purpose, also good for AA. Nice and modern! -AA "Short-range air defence was provided by 73 Bofors 40 mm AA guns in a variety of mountings. Vanguard had ten sextuple-barrel power-operated mounts concentrated in the superstructure and stern, a twin-barrel mount on 'B' turret, and 11 power-operated single mounts on the upper deck and rear superstructure. All mounts could depress to −10° and elevate to a maximum of +90°. The 40-millimetre (1.6 in) gun fired a 1.97-pound (0.89 kg) shell at a muzzle velocity of 2,890 ft/s (880 m/s) to a distance of 10,750 yards (9,830 m). The gun's rate of fire was approximately 120 rounds per minute." Pretty monstrous! In addition to the dual purpose secondaries, you have 10x sextuple (that's 60), 1x twin, 11x single 40mm Bofors AA guns! The AA rating on this thing should be pretty high and be very, very good for short-ranged defence. Not so much use for supporting teammates, however. SPEED AND MANEUVERABILITY She has the speed. She was designed to have 130,000shp and reach 30kn, but during trials, she achieved over 136,000shp and reached 31.57kn. In-game, I think the 136,000shp should be quoted, with a speed of 31.5kn. That's fair and would make her a very speedy (but not overly-so) battleship, able to respond to threats and push forward, into position... be the VANGUARD, so to speak! As for maneuverability... well, she's a large vessel (248.2m, or 814ft 4 inch). Almost 50 feet longer than KGV! So this would translate to a large turning circle. KGV's turning circle is 790m, so Vanguard's would have to realistically be nearer 810m, or something. However, due to complaints of the KGV class having poor seaworthiness: "The King George V-class ships had been built with almost no sheer to the main deck forwards to allow 'A' turret to fire straight forward at zero elevation, resulting in a poor sea boat that took a lot of water over the bow. Vanguard was redesigned as a result of this experience, significant sheer and flare being added to the bow. The ship was well regarded as seaworthy, able to keep an even keel in rough seas." This could realistically translate to a ship with a relatively quick rudder-shift time, that answers her rudder quickly (OK, the above has nothing to do with rudder, but we have little to play with, when talking about HANDLING in-game) and maintain good speed in a turn. Again, this will feel MODERN. ARMOUR AND HEALTH As you can see from the above photo, Vanguard is very similar to KGV. In-fact, the armour scheme was based on that of KGV. In-game, that could translate to having almost identical armour and health as Monarch, only slightly better. As wikipedia shall explain: "The ship's armour scheme was based on that of the King George V class with a thinner waterline belt and additional splinter protection. Originally the belt armour was equal to that of the older ships, but it had to be reduced to offset weight increases when the design was modified to reflect wartime experience. The waterline 460-foot (140.2 m) main belt was composed of Krupp cemented armour (KCA) 13 inches (330 mm) thick, but increased to 14 inches (356 mm) abreast the magazines. It was 24 feet (7.3 m) high and tapered to a thickness of 4.5 inches (114 mm) at the bottom edge of the belt. Fore and aft of the 12-inch (305 mm) transverse bulkheads that closed off the central citadel, the belt continued almost to the ends of the ship. Forward it tapered to a thickness of 2 inches (51 mm) and a height of 8 feet (2.4 m) and aft to the same thickness, but a height of 11 feet (3.4 m). At the aft end of the steering gear compartment was a 4-inch (102 mm) transverse bulkhead. After the Battle of the Denmark Strait in 1941, 1.5-inch (38 mm) non-cemented armour bulkheads were added on the sides of the magazines, to protect them from splinters from any hits from plunging shells that might have penetrated the ship's side beneath her belt. When the gun turrets from the First World War-era battlecruisers were modernised, their KCA faceplates were replaced by new ones 13 inches thick, and their roofs were replaced by 6-inch (152 mm) non-cemented armour plates. Their sides remained 7–9 inches (180–230 mm) in thickness. The barbettes for the 15-inch guns were 13 inches thick on the sides, but tapered to 11–12 inches (279–305 mm) closer to the centreline of the ship. The side and roof armour of the 5.25-inch turrets was 2.5 inches (64 mm) thick. Their ammunition hoists were protected by armour 2–6 inches (51–152 mm) thick. Intended to resist the impact of a 1,000-pound (450 kg) armour-piercing bomb dropped from a height of 14,000 feet (4,300 m), Vanguard's deck protection was identical to that of the King George V class. It consisted of six-inch non-cemented armour over the magazines that reduced to 5 inches (127 mm) over the machinery spaces. The armour continued forward and aft of the citadel at the lower-deck level. Forward it tapered in steps from five inches down to 2.5 inches near the bow. Aft, it protected the steering gear and propeller shafts with 4.5 inches of armour before tapering to a thickness of 2.5 inches near the stern. Unlike the Germans, French and Americans, the British no longer believed that heavy armour for the conning tower served any real purpose given that the chance of hitting it was very small; Vanguard's conning tower was therefore protected with 3 inches (76 mm) of armour on the face and 2.5 inches on the sides and rear. The secondary conning tower aft had 2 inches (51 mm) of armour on its sides. Vanguard's underwater protection was enhanced when she was redesigned in 1942 to reflect the lessons learned when Prince of Wales was sunk by Japanese torpedo bombers. It still consisted of a three-layer system of voids and liquid-filled compartments meant to absorb the energy of an underwater explosion. It was bounded on the inside by the 1.75–1.5-inch (44–38 mm) torpedo bulkhead. Her enlarged oil tanks reduced the empty spaces that could flood and cause the ship to list and greater provision was made to pump these spaces out. The longitudinal bulkheads of the side protection system were raised one deck higher to further subdivide the spaces behind the waterline armour belt. The side protection system had a maximum depth of 15 feet (4.6 m), but this decreased significantly as the ship narrowed at its ends. Over the length of the citadel, this system was found to be proof against 1,000 pounds (450 kg) of TNT during full-scale trials." So, a slightly reduced armour belt is the only are that Vanguard would lack, compared to KGV & Monarch. Her increased splinter-protection could translate to extra protection against HE shells and she also has seriously good torpedo protection. More on that: "Vanguard's design was revised again, while the ship was under construction in 1942, to reflect lessons learned from the loss of the King George V-class battleship Prince of Wales and operations with the other battleships. The space between the inboard and outboard propeller shafts was increased from 33.5 to 51.5 feet (10.2 to 15.7 m) to prevent a single torpedo from wrecking both shafts, and watertight access trunks were added to all spaces below the deep waterline to prevent progressive flooding through open watertight doors and hatches as happened to Prince of Wales." This could be reflected in higher torpdedo-damage-reduction, than her contemporaries, which would help, given her large turning circle. It would also make sense if she suffered flooding for a shorter period of time. As the "crew" on your WoWS battleship sealed the various compartments, this shorter flooding time would reflect the thought and design that went into the ship. She also had a double-bottom arrangement (two "skins") and was "divided into 27 main compartments, with water-tight bulkheads". Overall, her armour would be tougher than Monarch, with better torpedo defence and increased damage recovery. She would also have more health. However, she might be slightly more susceptible to citadel damage. CONCEALMENT AND STEALTH OK, she's a big, long, wide ship. However, she does have quite a sleek side-profile/silhouette and looks quite sleek, overall. See below: I would be tempted to reflect this with pretty good surface detectibility. Not Monarch, nor Roma stealth, but better than average. Overall, pretty sneaky, but won't surprise any cruisers. I would also reflect the enormous length and width with pretty average-to-poor air detectibility. Planes will see this thing from above, it's not a Yamato or Grosser Kurfurst, but it's no light cruiser! EXTRAS Now, if... BIG IF... she still wasn't quite up to snuff, there is one other thing I thought of... I don't believe it is necessary, but I'd like to know what people think: Now, obviously, almost all WW2 battleships had radar... WAIT! WAIT! LET ME FINISH!... and Vanguard's would be the best of them... I SAID LET ME FINISH!!... The thing is, I am not a fan of radar in WoWS, certainly not on a battleship (or Belfast) and I know most people feel the same. However, this super modern battleship, last of its kind, does feel a bit blind, with no spotter plane and no hydro. Add hydro, if you want, standard hydro isn't that powerful on a battleship. What if they gave Vanguard a completely unique form of radar, where it is a pulse, or a PING... extremely long ranged, the entire map, even... but it only highlighted every enemy ship for 1 second?? Like the radar gadget thing on Aliens Vs Predator! Or like a real sonar pulse. PING!... every enemy ship is spotted for one second... and they're gone again. This would not allow anyone to fire upon the enemy, there is just no time, but it would allow the fleet to know roughly where the enemies are (I say "roughly", as there's no way the enemy ships would maintain position). It would only have maybe 3 charges and would CERTAINLY not break the game! No-one would get shot, as a result... but it would give a brief glimpse into the enemy's plans. I can see this being quite uselful in clan battles, but not a deciding factor. Basically, that's my idea on Vanguard, it's taken me a LOOOONG time to type this up, but I am keen to know what others think. Thanks for reading (those who have). I'll leave a brief summary: VANGUARD Tier 8 Pros: -Fast battleship -Good armour scheme with additional torpedo & flooding protection -Good AA protection -Comfortable gun handling -Maintains speed in a turn -EXTREMELY accurate guns (for a battleship), with supercharges -Very fast shells, with short lead-times and good arcs -Very good AP penetration, with enhanced normalisation & krupp rating -Good, dependable HE shells, with good damage and fire chance -Pretty good concealment from sea -(possible unique radar pulse) Cons: -Small guns for tier, no overmatch -Normal reload and only 8 guns; gives poor DPM -Lower damage per AP shell, than most rivals -Smaller broadside than most rivals -Pretty lacklustre secondary armament -Large turning circle -Pretty poor concealment from air -No spotter plane Overall, I think this would be a fine ship. Dependable, fun to play, does a good job at maintaining historical accuracy, but still allows for game balance. I think the modern "flavour" would shine through, giving an entirely unique -but still quintessentially Battleship- form of gameplay. It would also NOT ruin the fun for the enemy team, nor would it be any better than the non-premium tech tree ships, which I think is extremely important. Thanks, everyone.
  20. I'm asking this since I'm just getting over pens with Orion on even the most lightly armored cruisers like Emile while landing 11k volleys with citadel hits, incapacitation and fires with HE (on cruisers). Also would like to mention that this instance is on broadside cruisers and not at some other angle. If my facts are right, short fuse AP can be devastating for cruisers since it can lead to more number of penetrations than over pens. It doesn't feel like it, imo. Maybe we have to aim differently (not waterline, that is)? Or does this short fuse mechanic really matter in the game?
  21. ScoutMkoll

    RN Cruisers - jump from T7 to T8

    I'm not that experienced in PVP (playing Random) but I managed to get up to Fiji without problems and I quite enjoyed that ship. I was hardly the terror of the seas but I often could contribute to games. As I upgraded into Edinburgh, it feels as if I hit a brick wall. Sure, the ship is powerful but so is the enemy. But that's not my issue. The problem is that people are suddenly very hostile to one another without taking into account what each ship can or can't do. So Molotovs are berated for not hunting DDs at caps and so on. For me it's usually one of the two: I'm not "forward enough" between the battleship van and enemies OR I'm "too far forward and die too quickly" and it seems like suddenly the difference between those extremes is minuscule. Is there anything you can suggest to get into the right mindset of how far forward/back I should gravitate? I'm using smoke, hydro and weapons as appropriate and reacting to the situation but it seems like everyone is complaining about everyone all of a sudden while high tier enemy ships make any mistakes fatal.
  22. Eventually Vanguard would make its appearence in World of warships, Hopefully in the tier 8 or even 9 bracket. What would you like to be the ships features and characteristics? I hope for a design that emphasizes on AP rather than HE, deadly accurate guns, nice handling, good penetration values. Since it was the world last battleship to be completed, it should reflect qualities that made the ship better than its predecessors. Although it has only 8 15" guns similar to Warspite, Hood and many other RN battleships, it could make use of the supercharge propellant and better fire control direction. What do you think?
  23. Ahoy there! I have been playing with a family member on and off for a while, but recently we have really been enjoying the game and are considering finding a casual, chilled out clan to do Operations and random matches with, possibly more once we have improved and tiered up. We have several ships, but our max tier is 7 at the moment, with several 5s and 6s we are also working on. Just looking for a friendly UK based group for drunken laughs. We tend to play most evenings at the moment for a couple of hours, usually around 7-9pm GMT. Good hunting. Brog
  24. Como algunos sabrán, mi gusto por los barcos británicos es enorme e incluso yo diría desmezurado.Quizás se deba por su diseño, su historia o su hermosa bandera que flamea en la proa del barco. El tema que nos convoca hoy es porque a raíz de la inminente llegada del Hms Duke of Yorck(asignado en noviembre de 1941), el acorazado de línea y hermano de este último, el Hms King George V, queda notablemente disminuido en AA. Para principios de 1942, el King George V, ya llevaba prácticamente la misma cantidad de baterías AA que las de su hermano Duke of York.Entonces, lo que molesta y soy bastante intransigente en esto, es que al King George V, le tienen un tumulto de botes bastantes feuchos a la vista. También hay que considerar que Wargaming, cuando lanzo la ficha técnica del KGV, lanzo la versión de 1941, prácticamente igual que el Duke of York, y luego se retractaron de esto. Para concluir solo le pido amablemente a wargaming que haga algo simple, saquen esos botes de atrás de la segunda chimenea del KING GEORGE V. ¿Qué opinan?