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MrFingers posted a topic in GameplayGreetings Sailors, As of yesterday, players can now gaze upon the soon to be introduced Russian cruiser branch, which starts at the Orlan, and ends at the Moskva. The ships, or their plans, range from the early 1900's until the 1950's, an interesting interval in time during which much has happened in the history of mankind. The rise and fall of nations, the decline of empires, borders that got drawn, contested, and redrawn,... Many of those happenings had a strong link with the military, whether that's landbased, naval or aerial. On the sneak peak that's being offered, one can admire the new cruisers, and I noticed that the Novik, Bogatyr & Svetlana fly their historically correct ensign of the Imperial Russian Navy (IRN), as do the premium ships Diana & Aurora. The Soviet ships/designs fly their historically accurate Soviet Navy (SN) ensign. This made me think about the equivalently tiered German counterparts: the Dresden, Kolberg & Karlsruhe, together with the premium ship Emden. They currently fly a censored Deutsche Kriegsmarine (DKM) flag, as is flown by the other ships in the German techtree. This flag was only used between 1935 & 1945, a good while after the active career of the aforementioned ships (all were sunk/scuttled in WW1). Those ships should historically fly the ensign of the Imperial German Navy (IGN), yet for reasons unknown to us, they do not. At first I was thinking a reason against inclusion was that it would be confusing for ships in a single nation to have different ensigns, but since the Russian ships do fly their correct ensigns, this can't be the reason. Many of the players here a avid fans of history, and strive for an "as historically correct as is possible experience", of which historical ensigns is a part that can't be overlooked. A quick scan in the gamefiles learns us that the IGN flag is modelled is the "flags.dds" file (deep in the gameplay files). Sadly enough, the game is coded in such a way that ALL German ships use the same flag, and one can't make a distinction between Imperial Navy & Kriegsmarine. One can mod the flag that it shows the IGN flag on all ships. It's OR/OR, not AND. Some fairly recent Q&A with devs and WG staff about the Imperial German Flag, and it's inclusion learned us this: After a bit of perseverance, and reformulating the question (as it seemed the person understood the question incorrect), with a link to the flag.dds-file, and the fact that the IGN flag is already modelled. I understand the inclusion of historical ensigns is a delicate matter, and is bound by laws and legal rules about if and when they can be included, and what reasons are valid for inclusion. So I scanned the Strafgesetzbuch section 86a, the German Criminal Code that outlaws "use of symbols of unconstitutional organizations". The list of forbidden organisations is: Sozialistische Reichspartei, Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands, Volkssozialistische Bewegung Deutschlands/Partei der Arbeit, Aktionsfront Nationaler Sozialisten/Nationale Aktivisten, Deutsche Alternative, Nationalistische Front, Wiking-Jugend, Freiheitliche Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, Blood and Honour The list of forbidden symbols (in it harshest iteration) is: the Swastika² (also mirrored/inversed), a stylized Celtic cross, the solar cross, the Sig rune, the Sturmabteilung emblem, the Othala rune, the Wolfsangel, Gauwinkel badges, the "Heil Hitler" & "Sieg Heil" greeting, Unsere/Meine Ehre heißt Treue, along with the Totenkopf symbol, the "Horst-Wessel-Lied" and "Unsre Fahne flattert uns voran" & the ISIL/ISIS/IS variant of the jihadi Black Standard flag. (² only when used to symbolise nazism, it is legal for other uses, as in Hinduism) There is also a lemma on the IGN: The Reichskriegsflagge: prohibited in the Third Reich version including a swastika; the 1867-1921 version without swastika is prohibited when it is the focal point of a display or disrupts political order. That means that the public display of the flag is forbidden when it has a swastika on it. The public display of the pre-nazi flag is allowed, unless it is used in an anarchistic way. For historical reasons, or as a decorative fashion, it is legal. Please note that this all is regarding the public display of those flags & symbols, that means: "on the streets and the public domain". A flag which also bears it fair share of controversy, is the flag depicting the Hammer & Sickle, as was used by Communist Soviet Russia between 1923 & its collapse in 1991. As there are laws about the displaying of German flags, there are also flags about the display of Communist symbols (of which the H&S is one, another one is the "Red Star", as is also shown on the ensign of the Soviet Navy, and can be seen on the bow of Soviet Ships): Regarding the Hammer & Sickle: The symbol is banned in Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova & the Ukraine. Regarding the Red Star: The symbol is banned in Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary & the Ukraine. "The red star and the hammer and sickle are regarded as occupation symbols as well as symbols of totalitarianism and state terror by several countries formerly either members of or occupied by the Soviet Union." One can safely argue that the argument that "one flag is controversial, the other isn't" is void, since both flags have controversy linked to it, as do many other flags. I hereby politely but wholeheartedly demand that WG/Lesta will revisit their current position regarding the inclusion of historical German ensigns & symbols that are not outlawed, with specifically the ensign of the Imperial German Navy. I made a poll about this subject. I hereby invite everybody to participate in this poll, and I hereby invite WG staff to shine a light about the current stance WG has regarding the Imperial German Navy, its ensign and its place in the game. One word though: KEEP IT CIVILIZED!