totally_potato

give me some reasons not to play cruiser apart from the fact that they are fragile coz cmon, that's bland

Well not really Its trash at kiting, the turrets have some weird angles. I checked the sectors and you can only fire three guns at the front quarter The planes seem alright. Saw Ise in action. Not particularly OP it seems. I thing maybe Dive bombers could be a nice weapon to have for Tone. To make it good against most ships it faces. Maybe not give it the most ridiculous fire chance (maybe 29%). As it seems, they aren't giving options for the Hybrids like HSF Harekaze. So DBs might be useful And the planes are under 3 minute cooldown. It looks fairly ok rn

No the concept involves bad armor They would probably have given these ships amazing concealment (like stupidly good) to disengage That would actually be a good alternative to these ships.

the influence streamers have on players is amazing don't you think?

Its a what if and its interesting if they had gone this route Gameplay wise Kansas still sucks mothballs, Minnesota is ok, Vermont is pretty much the death star of World of warships if I have ever seen one.

My point is, don't bring stats and talk about the aspect we were talking about, which the tankiness of a Fr DD

There is no reason to not play cruisers They bring utility to the team, and there are some that bring only damage like Henri or Goliath Also the standard cruiser that never used something like BoS or FP gained survivability. Like Zao. A new lighthouse build is now possible The AP focused cruisers gained a skill to benefit of of. Ultra CLs may have lost range, but they gained damage at the cost of no conceal. And if you play right, you can play around caps and islands and be a bully. Austin in this case has SAP, Smolensk has smoke (and has the russian flag if you know what I mean), and Colbert has improved maneuverability. I think only the SCs have gotten nerfed and the sec possible cruisers.

it tells me nothing They are just some bland numbers to this discussion of a tanking aspect of a ship. How well ppl can use it, is upto them.

Ok let's get this out of the way Elbing: So you get better conceal than Felix on paper? Interesting. Atleast the ones who go conceal, on Elbing will be rewarded Napoli: Its a very interesting ship. 2.15 sigma? idk how good its gonna be but ok. The decelerate part looks nice. Agir died for this, better make it good Druid: Why introduce this ship in the first place? Tone: She has one turret less than Atago so that was not needed. Regarding hybrids they look interesting, but the planes in practice don't feel OP so maybe 15 sec reload is fine. Borodino: Ship is weak enough. Don't nerf it even more especially the guns. Remove the radar and give something else. Speed boost maybe, but plz not radar. Weimar: Lol, you gave this ship 5 secs, base and now she has 8 secs. 60% decrease. Shows how the devs are isolated from the playerbase and he game and have no idea on what they are doing. Better late than never IG Yukon: Idc much, but I can say that that was needed De ryuter: I have no idea, but it has no airstrike. So all good ig P.S - Release Elbing from NDA. I really wanna see what is coming

Hyuga is still fine with that nerf Flint will be much more comfortabke now to play C.C is amazing, and a bit of extra gun performance helps

Wdym, they buffed a fair few Premium ships Atlanta for eg

nope Atlanta has no smoke. So Flint needs 12.8km max. Not beyond Atlanta

How does player stats tell me what makes a ship tanky like French saturation or HP? And where did I mention feelings? If anything I mentioned my experience

you can go for AA build if you have nothing else to go for or you have what you want in your build

Ah no I like your idea, except the hydro replacement part, sucks. Its better off at its own slot. Nothing will happen, as you kinda get rewarded for pushing in.

wtf do you mean? Its amazing on Hindi, Goliath and Zao. Even some DM builds can accommodate that Yes the detect hurts, but its a good skill

Its RNG Nothing about WG here And its funny that you don't run det flags, so you have no one but yourself to blame for that

those stats don't mean much when talking about an aspect of a ship. Get that into that narrow brain of yours. Those stats don't represent jackshit on what we are talking about so those 'facts' don't mean anything here And ik the IJN torp rework was before 2017. I am very well aware of that. The 20km torps were the only torps that became obsolete, the rest of the torps were still very dangerous.

Agreed about DDs Cruiser lost survivability skills Me: *laughs in 60.3K HP Petro* Cruiser have a fair amount of variety tho BBs have only two builds Sec build Tank build Yes AA build is possible, but its very very costly imo. Best thing for BBs, reduce the the tank build to 10 points. ERS for one point, BoS for two, Repair specialist (+1 heal and Damacon and 10% duration increase) for three points, Fire prevention for four points. Then the remaining 11 points on specialization, aka AA build, Sec build, Standard build of conceal, sniper build (SiS and AP dmg), maneuverability build if those kind of skills which buff the maneuverability are introduced. Maybe overall for commanders, you get a special bonus for mastering 21 points, and you can maybe take an extra skill from other lines, or a predefined bonus choice is available (kinda like Blitz) crap like that would help the commander aspect of the game

Actually what you showed were player stats of the a server, so that is meaningless, so unless you have anything else to show, we're done here And I played back in 2017. I know how hard DDs countered a BB in the hands of the average player. Those were the days when Grozovoi, Z-52 and Gearing has the best DD AA, and the days when fast reloading torps were very competitive, and just over 6km conceal was amazing. Its definitely better as a BB fighting a DD than before.

Yes its your personal decision But there are many situations where AP is downright better. Its your choice tho, nothing else to say in the matter

I mean I get like 1 overpin per 2-3 pins from my experience of playing German DDs in general. I think the width of the ship matters as well

well I have gotten many pins from German 128s on DDs his more has to do with the width of the ship as well, and the angle at which the shell hits not just raw thresholds

Not completely true. There are some lines where you want to use the AP. UK, French, Russian, German and the Gunboat Japanese line in particular

BBs don't have hydro, and the ones that do are shitty in size and shitty in torp protection. It doesn't effect anyone, it helps a BBs a bit in mitigating the torp dmg.