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clipped this when a guy questioned the Airstrike buff They are trying, I'll give you that

lol if I was the Venezia, I would have rammed you once my torp tubes are dead. That would have sealed your fate. I have played Ita BBs Their smoke is quite string for defensive purposes. For eg. when you need time for your heal to come back off cooldown before taking a fight. You can pop smoke to go undetected, heal up, and get back into it. And pushing into a position undetected with smoke is very strong. The smoke on these BBs are mis-used, they aren't trash.

what did it cost?

The CLs are worth it, but you have to be cautious in them. They aren't cruisers for the braindead The CAs, maybe, if high damage salvos are your thing

I mean, I would support him there as the second line DD if did the said 'dirty work'. Otherwise, I can work solo. I don't rely on DDs anyway, I can rely on myself. I support him for a mutual benefit, and if that's a problem you have, I have nothing to tell you. DDs not doing DD things loses games? A ship not doing what they are supposed to do, loses games even more. Fair point. Yes, me supporting the DD means the other caps get taken, but me supporting that DD can keep that DD alive in a situation where he could have died if solo. Also why wasn't this spoken about when Kleber and the French DDs got announced, which is what you'd also call a DD in CL clothes? Damage does not mean winning games. Damage backed up with kills win games. No one can deny that. DDs job is to be the eyes an ears of a team. Which these DDs can definitely do. Your job in a DD is to cap, if you have the tools to support that. If you can't do it, support your allies in that regard. That was true for many DDs, like the French DDs, Russian DDs that aren't Ognevoi or Grozovoi, Harugumo, and these German DDs. This is nothing new, so no use complaining about that now. Venezia is not a CL. And you have absolutely no utility. Smol in smoke? Yes. And Elbing counters those cruisers, from killing the friendly DD. Austin? Nasty unless you have support Mino? You angle, and bonk bonk goes those AP shells The new German line is something different and take a different approach to being a gunboat. "I'd rather have this behind me than that". It doesn't matter what you would rather have. I just pointed out that these ships are not completely selfish. Yes taking up a DD slot is an issue, especially when there are situations where you are the lone DD. But if you have a DD or two other than one of these Germans, its fine. Mino doesn't burn BBs. Tf? No they are not completely a ship that just does its own thing. It does its team exceptionally well that it can have an impact, and like all mini cruisers, you can support your DDs, when they make a move, and that not only benefits the DD, but it benefits the German DD too. No ship is truly selfish. There are ways to help the team in every said selfish ship. Depends on whether the player is willing to do that or not.

k cool

The thing about these torps is their damage and stealth along with a good reach. Speed makes them a spammer weapons

If you want to look at it as, 'You are relying on some one else to do the donkey work. You are using up another important DD to do YOUR work'. That's fine Your work is to do damage, and supporting a DD is not only doing damage, but providing backup. Its like saying, that when I support a BB, in my cruiser, I am basically relying on him to do the 'donkey work', and I am using him to do my work, when my intention is to support him and keep him alive. Except those ships have cits and can be blapped very easily, and Austin or Colbert don't have smoke. If you haven't seen those new DDs cap, that's coz they aren't supposed to early game. You can assist with caps.

back to my questions On ita BBs, why use the smoke for firing undetected in the first place? Isn't that a bit too much. I think its fine the way it is. No gimmicky playstyle shennanigans, its just allows you to disengage and other stuff if you think about it that is

Unless you find a way to make them useful I did, and that is being behind your DD, and when they are in trouble, put your guns to use. That's what I do early game. Late game I can cap myself and play the cruiser role. I also provide my smoke and DFAA to them coz I don't need them anyway. I'd say this line is selfish if it had heal instead of smoke, or Speed boost instead of DFAA and the long range AA. You can play them selfishly, you can play them like a Khaba. But if you want to help your teammates you have a fair few tools and strats to help them out with it

I wouldn't say that. T7 and T8 AA on paper looks weak, but I did shoot a fair few planes down for some reason. And on Felix 7km AA means that if you can surprise AA, and you can also support other ships with your AA. Got many AA experts with these new German DDs, especially Elbing and Felix. And now rockets are useless (unless you lead them well), and well, you get the idea. And for eg, if you open up with your AA at 7km, that flak and DPS has more time to work with and do its dmg. Is the AA amazing? No. Is it good? Yes, on the higher tiers that is. I find the brag and argument by WG that DFAA is good completely pathetic, but this, US DDs and European DDs, are the only times I felt DFAA helps

how about Pan Asian cruisers There could be a fair few of those lying around. Make then torpedo cruisers? Could be a new but difficult concept but it can work

55 knots Better than 50 knots tho

Not quite Unless you play them as such They can be very good second line DDs providing gunpower and AA coverage. Imagine an Elbing with a Halland

I am asking about the BBs Pretty sure the Ita BBs don't have torps.......or do they

Gimme smoke on graf zeppelin I have plans for some real serious bs

why try to use defensive tools offensively in the first place??

Hindenburg if you like fires and AP damage. She is probably the closest heavy cruiser to DM in RoF while carrying 3 guns more. Hindenburg can be a monster if player correctly. AT long to mid ranges, you use your DPM and maneuverability to survive and be useful. In the later stages of a game, when she goes up close, she is very dangerous. In any ship, in the final stages of a match, a well played hindenburg is the last thing you want to see. She has German hydro, so no hiding from her, she has 12 guns, so low HE alpha or no, the guns still hit hard and with that RoF she is dangerous. And if you try to yolo her, she is so thing that with BB caliber AP you'll overpen her more than cit her. And for cruisers with normal AP or soviet pen angles AP, her turtleback is quite hard to deal with. Only ships with pen angles like DM, plus enough pen will cit Hindi at that range. And she has DD load of torps per side and while they are short ranged, it doesn't matter when you are at close range. Plus good firing angles. Its not all sunshine and flowers, but there is a reason I love Hindi. Also AP hits like a truck with a million ducks in it. Venezia is also very good, both in comp and randoms. She has cruiser SAP which is very powerful against things that you can pen. And 15 guns means highest cruiser alpha in the game. AP is decent with good pen, good damage. Her gunpower is amazing. No setting fires tho (unless you go say screw it and go Venezia sec build, coz why not). She has good protection up close, but can be citadelled quite easily. No utility but she doesn't get smoke, so she can pull of some yolos coz she also has torps (or Sea mines). A venezia paired up with a DD is dangerous af. Even more so that full sec build Georgia no less (why did I even say that, coz I am cracked today). Its a good ship So now the question is, do you like slow reloading high alpha cruiser, or Fast firing, chip damage with the occasional high burst damage with AP, damage cruiser

Did you kill it?

They released a BB line, the German DDs fully released this update, next one is dutch cruisers, and then russian CVs. If the trend continues then this is my prediction A BB line split so potentially a BC line, Italian DDs or a American DD split, any cruiser line, and French/Italian CVs

so if one doesn't know it, isn't the best course of action to learn it? Or to just whine about it? No offense, just a curious potato here

wrong There are many uses for this smoke Its for making bold plays, pushing in, giving yourself a breather, and for consumable usage. Here is a proper guide on how to use the smoke (let your bias in for jus one video, coz even I thought that smoke on these ships were useless, until I actually tried them the way he has presented)

Agreed European DDs was a torp boat line in what seemed like ages. That was different. French DDs were unique when first introduced, but WG removed the ambush playstyle by increasing the conceal and turned them into better Khabas. Aka another HE spammer line. Have I enjoyed them? Yep. Did I feel new when playing the French? No. It reminded me of Khaba. These DDs take the whole gunboat concept through a different approach, and I enjoyed them thoroughly. The GJM (later in the games), the Felix and in particular the Elbing. Z-31 is not the mini cruisers the T8-T10 are. She is more of a big gun DD. There are certain things, I would like Z-31 to have. GJM reload first of all. Give back the torp reload. Give the 14.4K alpha the main line has. That should fix her. Also since this is the transition from DD to mini cruiser, it would be nice, if only the Z-31 had Speed boost.

Shikishima has 510mm guns, and its a tier ten. Its not that crazy you know. I see hannover being pretty balanced in randoms. It has awesome offensive firepower and good armor with hydro, but its so massive, and the superstructure is as large as a country. And its concealment and maneuverability is tragic. That's what balances them. They would do quite well in randoms but there are ways to counter them. This Grand battles is just testing how super BBs would work in randoms. If it was made for experience, ik WG would have made it fun. That's one area in which they excel

Hidden menace is pretty useless tbh I only take the mod, and the skill I also take the sec flag but forgot to put it in there