totally_potato

And yet there are many super unicums who if they have a different opinion than you, you just shrug off. PQ, or Carbine Carlito for eg. Game impact is the influence a ship has in winning the game, something that hybrids already have through planes. I think you are confusing yourself with what an opinion is. Opinion is a perspective, backed up with an actual reasoning, that is either relatable or true. For eg. if someone thinks Elbing is trash coz she can't do DD roles, and then someone thinks Elbing is great coz her guns are great, those are contradicting opinions. Those aren't wrong opinions just coz they defy what you have convinced yourself and state that as a fact. Congrats. But actually you don't

Turtleback is quite bad tho. Its overmatchable. The part from which shells should skid of, is overmatchable. Its 25mm. So its not great. But I did find citadelling columbo a bit harder than I expected.

Yeah she does and its protected by a turtleback that can't even work properly. So answer me, what guns were you firing instead of starting to nag about my profile. All my battles of these ships are on NA server. Columbo citadel is fairly hard to get and can be trolly, but she will get citadelled.

I was talking about Ise, Tone, and Kearsarge, genius. And they just have planes from CVs. Nothing more or less that that.

DPM of torps?? DPM means Damage per minute. How can we calculate the DPM of torps when torps reload in more than a minute. Ig you could take torp DPM of smith, or the lower tier DDs, but certainly not the higher tier ones. SHimakaze has about a 2 minute reload on her torps, so how the frick is her DPM even made up. Torpedoes, BB guns were never about DPM, they were about raw burst damage they can put out at any point in time. This supposed DPM is nothing more than a number then at this point and it doesn't indicate anything. I think the whole torp DPM bs needs to be rethought. Just sayin'. Also at a time Z-52 had the supposed highest torp DPM of all DDs. Did that make her a torp boat. Gun DPM makes sense. Guns reload in less than a minute especially cruiser and destroyer guns. DPM on them makes sense. But torpedoes? Where is the logic in that? DP2M would make more sense. But anyway that was never the point This DDs can be nasty knife fighters, but we can't just look at DPM or reload and go, "Gunboating time all day long". These guns are quite bad past 7km. The shell arcs are floaty as hell. And the dispersion can be so damn wonky at times. Like I want to have the high ground when taking gunfights with other DDs. Her shell damage isn't even that impressive. Ballistics are quite tragic tbh, and her HE pen is 20mm, which means that they fall in the line of DDs that can't pen Gearing (honestly Idk why I mentioned this, cz AP exists). The guns aren't amazing. They are good, don't get me wrong, but they aren't amazing or all to define her a full fledged gunboat. The torps are just so much more worth building into. I only take gunfights in the late game, when I need to take caps, and I'll face a DD soon. At that point the DD has about half HP remaining, and there have been very few times, where I actually lost my HP at the beginning of my match ever since the rocket rework. RL is amazing on these DDs for a reason. These things are torpboats. The torps are used much more than the guns. The torps deal more damage than the guns effectively. However they aren't dedicated torpboats (if that's what you understand with the term gunboat and torpboat) coz they have other things to bach her up than just her raw power of torps. She isn't another Shima. This is a proper ship.

its designed to dominate Caps (Z-52 will hard counter this thing) Its a long range ship

Thnx Anyway let's begin shall we GJM - Its a nice buff but unnecessary. What the GJM needs is AP penetration Felix - Thnx Ig LM - WHY????????????????????????? The ship is already powercrept and quite mediocre so you nerf it even more?? And out of all things, it was the gun reload. Bruh FenYang - Ok that's a good buff QE - Ok so QE can now maneuver more with its good maneuverability and can respond better?? That's nice. Monarch - I don't think she needs a buff in all honesty but not bad Leander, Fiji, Edin - Uhh I can say that they are exceptionally good at what they do. These small nerfs should help but honestly I don't remember myself or anyone complaining that British CLs were OP af Jervis - You are nerfing a lot of british ships lately?? Poor Jervis Baltimore - Its an ok nerf, but unnecessary imo Schors - Nice buff but unnecessary Andrea Doria. SO her SAP should now slap as hard as hell?? Overall, some unnecessary buffs and unnecessary nerfs. Like only one buff was good and that was of QE and fenyang. Otherwise, another worthless devblog filled with unnecessary changes. Also that LM nerf was dumb as hell

Uh CC does have a turtleback and its quite crap. What guns were your firing?

apart from flamu I haven't heard a single unicum player claiming it is trash. If the ability to spot an enemy ship and strike it from any distance in the map is low game impact, according to you, you should probably recheck what you define as game impact. "Your opinion is wrong" You call that reasoning? Nice try bud Again not the point. But rn, you don't really get it do you. There is a reason why I mentioned that, so I would say you look it up, Mr Know-It-All I don't think he saw the Monti clip, where the player did nothing wrong and all his HP went poof

eh roma??

"Stable audience" How dare they? We are instable as hell bois

Well that's hilarious That never happens to me tho. This is one of those ships in fact where I got more pens than overpens. Ig WG coding is trash, or maybe desync. Idk, neither do I care at this point coz a lot of crap is going on that is just breaking my mind

why does torp dpm even matter in the first place? And my strategy towards Hail-the-land, Oyster-got-ze-land, and O-mygod-Land, and Scan-the-net as always been to spot, torp a bunch of stuff from long range, cap if necessary. Then late game, I would gunboat the remaining DDs. I don't avoid DDs, i just want to keep my HP intact for late game gun scenarios which usually happen. The effective damage these torps can put out practically outweighs the guns.

k have fun as a gunboat (not being sarcastic)

eh, I like both too. I would just like the Z-44 torps to be a bit better, coz it does give up a lot for those torps

can't exactly argue with you on that. Tried it once, deleted the next day. Not becoz its a bad game. I like the concept of an arcade warplane game, wartank game and warship game. But unlike WOW (yes really), or WOT (I never actually played it myself but through jingles vids I actually found it entertaining), the entire gameplay part is boring from the very start. The controls are quite hard, and I don't honestly have that much time to learn the controls of so many games while at the same time, having 100 things to worry regarding my career, etc. Its not a bad game, but it ain't fun

by what 100m-200m Agreed I would agree with that If you hadn't mentioned the DPM. Its 6k less than gearing and the shells are american floaty so at longer ranges, they are practically useless vs DD. She has two turrets and pretty much the same dispersion as other DDs armed with 3 turrets for some reason which makes her overall damage output at mid range, quite mediocre. She has two turrets, with 4 guns. If you face any gunboats, they could very easily knock your turrets out and there goes your 50% DPM (albeit temporarily, but it can matter so much, and damage control isn't magic that you get it the moment you need it). Not to mention, Halland sits high it the water, so relatively easy to hit, and she quite thick for a DD, so normal DD AP pens it left right and center. Even Elbing AP can murder you, if you try to use those " not such abysmal gun angles". She can be pretty nasty in a knife fight. But not every DD fight is a knife fight. And in the fight you can use one heal at the most. SO that's potentially 3,178 HP you bring to your 22700. So potentially in a gunfight you will have about 26000 HP. Yeah I am not sure in a straight up gunfight, a Halland will win. I mean, it will win under favourable circumstances, but under unfavourable circumstances, whereas other DDs with supposed lower DPM can, Halland can't. Yes she has heal, so she'll survive a bit longer, which can matter and hence its such a good DD, but it has no disengaging tools. You are quite slow, your detection is good but the gunboat DDs will keep up with you, or ofc if there is a CV. You have no smoke to disengage with. Like I said. Its best to not just look at one aspect and say the guns are good. That's one mistake ppl made with the Elbing. They looked at the reload and said the guns are bad. Yes Halland has amazing reload, but the other characteristics, are either meh or terrible. The guns of these ships are for self defense, and late game knife fights, where your heal can be so much more significant.

you basically rely on the hit rate of torps which for these torps is very high thnx to high speed and narrow spreads. No they don't dev strike them out of the water, but you do quite a lot of damage, and basically you can kill many mid to low HP ships quite efficiently. You basically send out constant volleys worth consistently moderate damage at a very fast rate. Kind of what the German DDs did back in the day

like what? It doesn't get smoke, and well heal is not what you would call a team orientated tool, to put it lightly

nope. Its a torp boat line. Heal and AA are there for the lack of smoke. You basically rely on your torps. Your guns are just for self defense, or late game gun fights.

This is world of warships, not world of planes. If you like the latter, there is another WG title for that crap

I don't crap on every WG's move. I liked their concept of Hybrids I liked the Italian BBs, the European DDs, etc, There are many things WG did that I liked. And then there are these brainless decisions that I despise I don't need to be an Internet doctor for that. I learnt it way back in school DIng dong, the whole idea of an opinion being wrong, is wrong Its more like you trying to justify every dumb thing this company does. Keep bringing it on sunshine, this is going great

Z-46 is a hybrid, Z-44 is a torpedo boat What are you trying to say here?

The entire european line is a torp boat line with amazing self defense capabilities And hitting all your torps does make these torps dangerous. And saying this line has bad conceal is jackshit. Its good enough. Like if you hit 90% of your torps on pretty much most of your torpedo salvos, you don't really feel the damage deficiency. That's what european torps are good at Most torps hit like 1-5 every torp salvo, but european torp hit rate and damage is consistent