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Loved this thing and used it a lot but its not popping up anymore. Do I need to enable it in the settings somehow? Could Windows have disabled it or was it removed in the update? Did nothing but update the game and update modstation.

Worth it? All things equal, equal tier, assuming a few DDs left to do some more spotting. Is going for the ship with the big guns worth it? Btw Random game. Im voting Si. Thats Yes in Espanol btw. And dont forget it! No is No in Espanol. But you might have figured that out. Now In ranked, Id say its not worth it since caps and time on them is so much more important. And there are fewer ships to spare!

He is "top 1-2% of players in CVs". Maybe I should've said when he's in a CV. Because what we're comparing here is why he's bad at everything else, so his overall performance in games vs other players is what's interesting? I didn't write "he's top 1-2% of CV players. Now that we've cleared this up, does my argument make more sense to you or not? More improtantly, do you feel that being in the top 5% or even top 10% completely disregarding hidden stats and assuming we're talking about just CVs doesn't make him among the best players? Does any of this, just like in the other thread invalidate the argument? You're not even arguing the point, thats the sad point. You're just arguing details that are barely relevant. Do I need data to make an assumption on how many people are missing? Do you think im very far off? Or are you again just not capable of dealing with unknowns? I've asked you this three times and it's the last reply you'll get from me unless you answer it. Are you just going to ignore unknowns as you did in the other thread and assume they don't exist or factor in at all or what?

OMG YES TY OP :D Finally a friend for my cap guy to keep him company.

*edit* Also how could any historian or even officer know more about war than a soldier doing the fighting or any football manager know more about football tactics than a player, all these questions all these new revelations. I must retire and ponder! There's a clear dissonance between established positions that a: ) DD's win fights through team mates / BB's are the class that needs to be limited and that has the highest firepower and b: ) DD's are always better to keep in the team over BBs irrespective of numbers of each class (and cruisers) available) thus suiciding them for anything else is a bad play. *edit*

Why would their winrate for carriers matter? We're talking about how good they are at beating the game overall, not about how good they are among CV players. The whole point is that he is beating the game in CVs wheras he's not in some other class and the question is in regards to why. Also for someone who is so interested in exact numbers, get to work compiling all the CVs buddy. Don't you dare make educated assumptions based on samples. (No, I dont actually care) Also I make educated guess, if you can't deal with anything that has unknowns and attack someone for attempting to do so then thats your problem. If you think it's an other number than 20-30% then feel free to share that. I have no strict idea but it's my impression over thousands of games and what Ive read in general. None of this is the own you think it is. And you still haven't replied to the other thread, why is that?

Sometimes he gets it really right. It's pretty fucked up how they incentivize something they can't fix or that many people dont want. It might not be that cynical though, it might be that they are trying to balance out their hybrid class which most potatoes play ultra passively. The saddest thing is the behaviour the incentivize with this, including as he says more camping, especially for the hybrid BBs which so many people are already tired of but also for all other BBs.

DD spotting power diminishes with number of DDs with that buff as arbitrary as it is would be going down from 50% for the first to 30% for the second, maybe 20% for the third, 10% for the fourth , 5% for the fifth(?). It takes a nosedive after 3, at most 4 as you can cover all sides, let alone the fact that there are islands or map edges that cover some anyway and not all sides are relevant most of the time. Early on there is also overlapping spotting from other units in the team further reducing its effectiveness with numbers. Though the need is a bit greater so the "buff" would be a bit bigger. Also I wouldn't say it buffs the whole team either. Only affected units. So each DD can only buff for one target, if all ships target one DDs target there is no buff for the others, except for avoiding torps. On a bigger map and spread out units not even that is relevant as units aren't in range of each other.

Nevermind I didn't quite get what you meant, Yeah I dont know maybe.

I actually would have thought that having one that you can dual switch between rather than two separate ones might have been at least a little bit neat for what ever price it was. Now its just worse :P

Ah so its like 3 actual commanders with 1 that you can switch inbetween ?

I wasnt active then I think but wow, that's kinda crazy lame. WG gonna WG I guess

Now Im just talking from personal experience but I will ping / tell people to do something or someone else does it and I think we've agreed upon it, so I commit to it and when these people turn tail at the first sign of trouble so they can farm more I just don't care and yolo in and die alone. in a CV you don't have to follow a plan made by a bunch of randoms but you can support the developing situations as they come up and even force certain engagements which is kinda relaxing for me at least. There's also the aspect of mechanical skill as mentioned, which you need more off in say especially destroyers and less of in CVs that tips the scale to my argument. But your view has some merit too. He's 57.3 at randoms, it's pretty good. I haven't checked his damage stats. If they are abnormally high then you might be right, if they are average or even a bit lower then that's even more a case of him having simply a superior sense of the game since his impact then would be through the team not in addition to the team.

Well [edited]it, haha you're probably better than him. I took a chance that you were somewhere less skilled than you are. But point stands still. He's good at CVs because they are a force multiplier that requires situational awareness, even though he may be bad at the game mechanically. We dont know why he has shitty WRs with other classes, but that he does makes a case for it even more.

Yeah but I think it is entertaining for some still because they get their daily dose of indignation as mentioned. But yeah, you reached yoru limit so thats all good. Wasnt criticizing you or anything

Considering that puts him in top 1-2% of players in CVs in the world and that higher level CV play requires a good understanding of what is happening on the map the actual answer is the opposite. At that level you get your WR up by forcing players into broadsides they don't want to take or baiting them into friendly torps and by spotting where you need to spot rather than just pure damage dealing. The guy probably has a superior sense of whats happening to YOU but he's just bad at the game otherwise, yolo's around too much or perhaps plays the game expecting others to do it the way he would in other classes, which leads to unnecessary deaths when they don't.

It's just whining now, guy has probably a decent job and other interests at this point and he doesn't care and that's all good. But it's just not very interesting to me either. I think people get their daily fix of indignation there if they still haven't moved on or something. I don't even mind the toxicity but there's almost nothing to balance it out. Those that like him would probably counter with "there's very little to be happy about". And things are a bit silly but then move on or take breaks :P

Hey @Aethervoxx How do you dislike my post but like Elazers post a few hours later when they say the same thing? Do I find your name under the definition of Fanboy if I look it up? I mean Im cool if you just dont like me, that's more than fine, but I hope you're using your own mind to think rather than just digesting other peoples thoughts based on preferences.

Why the hell do we have like 4 ovenchinks btw? How did that happen? I get 2, but why 4? Are they 4 different ones or do you get to like pick your skin for each of the american/russians or do you actually get 4 commanders? That must have been a crazy event lol. But yeha, great topic OP, didnt know about her at all. Pretty cool.

Jingles gets more views I think, per video at least.

Rofl. The point was that there's a limit somewhere, I thought 2.5, as mentioned, supported by some circumstantial arguments at least, sounded reasonable. I'm not gonna do any deep research for it. So you like have no opinion on it? If you don't know the exact limit then it might as well be <9000 for you or what?

Thanks I thought so too, I got a warning for it, but I think it was worth it. So I have no idea, like, do you have a dataset that says its 2.75? I've made some compelling arguments in favour of it, such as general setups in CBs but maybe you missed that? You didn't see the relevance of that to the 2.5 comment? This is the part where I'd have to ad hominem you, jeez. But maybe we can go without it lol. By the way, I don't think its an argumentative fallacy, i.e. ad hominem to go for a quick quip on someone if you explain why you have that opinion of them. The problem here is that there's no acknowledgement from him or some other posters of the fact that there has to be a limit here. I don't really care if its 2.5 or 3.5 or 2 or whatever, its something we could argue about and I'm not set in stone at all. But we first have to get there, lol. I feel you yielding to the dark side.

Would you perhaps want to rather have 4 DDs and a BB? What about 5 DDs and 0 BBs? And why do you think that these setups are so rare, except for the occassional memes? At what point do you have enough [edited]spotting man, that's the question? Like think one step ahead, jesus. Obviously there's also cruisers at play that the fewer friendly BBs are around, going down to 0 the easier they will be obliterated and unable to destroy existing DDs. But Im trying to keep this as simple as I can, [edited]I sound like a a-s-shole. I just dont understand how this can be so hard to get.

A moment ago you said that DDs become more important the longer the match goes on and thus the fewer players there are. Make up your mind already. Tick rates on Ranked/CB are already so much faster than on random that a late game on random is as close to the end as a relatively early game in the other two matchups . Earlier in other threads its been commented on how general understanding is that DDs win engagements based on their teams efforts and not on their own. Now its all about the individual DD vs DD gunfights. So apparently 2 DDs with 3 BBs are going to lose vs 3 DDs and 2 BBs now. Sure. I know in what position I'd always rather be. Anyway have the last word, I dont care.

You're just smart enough to understand very complex matters but slightly too stupid to understand them in relation to cascading events. Generally you ignore points that don't benefit your argument while creating narratives to support your end result. (Including specifically: "There is enough spotting DDs left" - could also be CVs /Radar cruisers and the argument that BBs are limited for a reason in CBs.) You'd do great in modern academia where experiments are tailored to fit the preconceived results. Im just not going to engage with you, let the negrates begin. The honest analysis would be that there is a point at which the DDs value as a spotter is less than that of a BB and its firepower. By all balancing measures and team set-ups throughout the ages this would generally be somewhere at 2.5 DDs for every map depending on map and team. This we could argue about, but since you'll just be grasping at straws in this thread too I'd rather not. Maybe its just that I am bad at explaining them, so I could be retarded too.