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just you wait for Surcouf, a submarine that is a heavy cruiser

With my captain my Asashio torps reach 74 kph, sub speed varies between torp type and tech tree flavour, but between 90 and 60 kph. My tier 10 Halland's torps reach 95 kph (maybe faster is possible), the tier 10 Balao submarine has torps with a 93 and a 72 kph speed. There are many different torpedo spread patterns, and flavours, British torps can be launched in a single file, most dds can employ a narrow vs wide launch pattern. Visit a training room to check them out. Asashio's reload booster is 4 minutes (a little longer/shorter depending on fit) Which you'd prefer as an opponent will depend on what kind of ship you are driving, in some circumstances a bb player has less to fear from a submarine than a cruiser player has from an 11 torp shotgun launch (!) (bb torpedo belt reducing the already low dmg from sub torpedos), but a cruiser has little to fear from an Asashio (whose torpedos can only target capital ships) while any sub torpedo will do full dmg.

rock/paper I think that is why there is an emphasis on assymetry. but giggling sociopaths in subs, as in every other class that has been the subject of forum angst (radar cruisers, asashio, RTS cvs, rework cvs, and many more), can still attack each other (if that is what you mean as "interaction", quite a freudian slip there).

Thankyou for the clarification, I see the discussion is getting sophisticated, I had considered this possible meaning, but had discarded it as far too adult. All that is lacking is the :poo emoji

I still don't get what you mean, VC? I am an ex CV player (RTS cvs mostly), hardly play subs, but I enjoy seeing other people play them in game. They offer me new and interesting problems to solve, and targets to sink! These days I mostly play dds and cruisers. Maybe you should conduct a poll to find out "what type of player is positive about subs".

WC?

this is why we need subs, everybody gets excited.

rarely possible in my personally disastrous experience driving a sub, usually get hit by wave after wave of depth charges instead, until sunk.

I'm not kidding, the problem people have with subs (and the fears they express) are similar to fears expressed about DDs in past forum meltdowns, (ironically Asashio being the cause of one of the biggest forum meltdowns when it was announced).

You are in a big slow bb, which would you prefer, an Asashio destroyer with it's 4 x 4 (16 torps!!) dealing over 150k dmg, or the new Thrasher sub with its 11 homing tops dealing max 60k dmg? Oh and Asashio also has the lower surface detection... edit each Asashio torp does over 17 k dmg so my math is really very bad..

These subs will add suspense and excitement, emotionally cathartic moments, and a stimulating chat environment.

they'll be hated, a salvo of 11 homing torps, 11 x 5 k dmg, they'll need the pirate flag..

character.. and they all have guns, can't wait to get secondary kills with a sub

will be interesting to see how they are statted/equipped, compared to the german/us boots.

that's me in the white helmet..

I liked the tiers 5 to 7, can't make up my mind about the tier 8 (Haarlem)

The very first iteration of player controlled subs in WOWS, was for the Halloween event operation (2019?), so this isn't new, nor really a surprise. The popularity of the first attempt at subs (much simpler mechanics and pve only) must have played a role in the decision to invest silly amounts of money in furher development.

I think they need to settle down with sub changes, and build a bigger player population of experienced sub drivers. Current experience of the WOWS community is tainted by battles where there is a huge skill gap between utter potatoes with zero experience jumping into t10 subs (like me) and hard core sub drivers who have been alpha/beta testing the horrible things since were initially made available (and who know how to curveball torps around islands like the best football strikers). WG won't ever cancel subs, so the might as well get on with fully implementing them. But they do need to simplify the sub experience a little, harmonize and render more logical/intuitive certain functions and icons.

I had a funny complaint from a team mate today 'why u didn't cover me?'. I was in a cruiser, the other guy was in a sub, 30 metres below the surface. When sub drivers start complaining, I mean really, what is the world coming to? I blame lower standards, poor edukashun and bad parenting.

Sub gameplay, sub player UI, sub player brains (possibly) are quite different to the other classes. This makes transitioning from surface ships to subs quite difficult, I know I tried over the weekend...

I have only recently redownloaded the game after a year long absence, but aside from ongoing dev difficulties with subs, I see some improvements to the overall game, premium cosmetics have been separated from premium advantages (camos), exclusive ship types are no longer exclusively premium currency (Marseille super cruiser tech tree split example). Steps in the right direction for a fair2play game. How much of this is related to changes in management doctrine since the LWM/Yukon meltdown, how much to company changes since February this year? But I can't help but feel there has been a healthy change in corporate (and so game) culture, and that it has been going in the right direction. (will I have to eat my words in the next 3.. 2.. 1 ?) There have been some notable departures from WG this year. Who is calling the shots at WOWS development and prod these days?

I have played a few battles in Cherbourg this week, it is extremely agile, which make fast direction changes (and so torpedo/shell salvo dodging) very easy. It is in the supercruiser cruiser league, (really a battlecruiser) and being big, should be an easy target, but its agility, speed boost and repair party make up for this. I have used it with calculated stormtrooper style assaults, hit and miss, but more hits than misses! Looking forward to Brest.

maybe this is a topic all by itself but quickie question for you all : how much influence do subs (as they are currently implemented!) have on game outcomes?

it has absolutely nothing to do with this. The EU forum is far more multicultural by the way, just by the nature of hosting half a dozen languages, and three dozen targeted nationalities. The internet, wherever you are, is by definition, multicultural.

Our kind of humour doesn't translate well/ NA forum culture changes every 18 months, just depends on who is in charge.