The_Chiv

So many Cruiser players will take a shot at a target and then try to turn away. Here is the problem with that. If they are advaancing towards the target and they begin to turn they are exposing their very soft and large citadel to the enemy. Every time I see this when im in the AGIR I punish the hell out of it. Put 5 cits in a ibuki because of it. when from full to dead in one salvo. Now if you are already broadside and you pop a shot then sure hard turning away is not a bad idea and in fact with a bit of concealment management and throttlele jockeying and patience, you will find that you are in a pretty good angle and position to kite away while being able to give all 10 guns.

none of those are curisers that is t6 and...this was a few hours ago so... though you are correct the turret traverse speed is horrible on the ship so you have to post us with cover and be prepared to hold an angle. If you try to play it like most other cruisers you get stomped. Ibuki is a decent ship, though weaker then the Atago but can still do some awesome things as long as you learn a few basic things. Now you listed a ton of complaints about Mogami. I could go an counter each of your points however I seem to be getting the notion that the style you are trying to play the ship in, is probably the biggest issue. I have a 58% win rate in it. Does it suffer hard to bb fire? Yeah, but there are ways you can work around that, mitigate it, and survive it. Now should it get a heal? Probably, but then you come into an issue of devaluing ships like the Atago, more so then WG has already done with its cv rework. Below are 7 tips I use for all IJN CA's except the Yoshino. 1. Always engage when you have the concealment advantage, 2. Never shoot and then try to hard turn 3. Always angle away from the target and try to kite them away. 4. Use your throttle to juke enemy shots as you try go back into concealment 5. Try to limit the amount of shots you take to 1 or max 2 (depending on the situation) if you are in open water with no cover 6. If you are engaging a BB without being behind cover wait for the bb to shoot at another target before you fire. If you see guns turning at you do not fire again. You will become concealed before he can shoot.(most of the time) 7. Slowly build up your damage do not try to go full Daka and rush forward to use your torps, YOU ARE NOT A DD, and your torps are meant to punish people silly enough to try and chase you when you are kiting

And the thread was about tech tree cruisers. So......

Musahi and GA are not tech tree ships. Izumo use to be way worse.

Sorry but Tallin AP has some insane pen. Trying to use it as a HE boat tends to be underwhelming but AP slinger it does very well

I did. Played outriders for a bit. I play WOWS in spurts but lately nothing catches my eye. German Heavy DDs are a meme at best Pasta wagons are not interesting to me and I have no desire to finish the grind for KM cv, IJN cv or do pan asian dd. Everything else however is completed. I may just do some RB line stuff as I have like 40k in that already and would not mind the colbert.

80k in 1 minute with 1 fire seem sus to me against a Kremlin. Even when Kleber was amazing the best I ever did was 38k in 30 seconds to a Minotaur and that was using AP and getting 11 citadels

That you did. The irony of it is at the start of the match I commented "Great Pearl harbor 2.0" to my div mate. I took 3 torps and 8 bombs from the enemy Kaga. I would suggest focusing on one class at a time. Each class has some pretty general traits you can master that can greatly improve your win rate. 2nd thing I can offer is never assume your team will be able to do anything on their own. 3rd and final thing. Order of kill priority, this applies no matter what ship you are in. DD's, CA, BB/CV I know it may be tempting to rush to kill a cv or bb but killing dds and cruisers is by far more important. DDs spotting and ability to cap with a measure of safety are massive tools that when leveraged correctly can easily win matches. Killing them fast blinds your enemy and lets your team have a first strike advantage over their enemy. Failing to do so however allows the enemy to have unrestricted vision and tends to keep your BBs in the back. Cruisers are DPM machines and if they can get set up behind cover or allowed to kite farm will easily melt even a bb. Both these classes of ships also have the added bonus of having a higher base xp payout for damage done to them over that of a bb.

@Meowgli Ran in to him a few times while he was testing Tone. First game he decimated me mind you my whole team failed as well. 2nd game however it was a pitch battle and ended up being me in a Morgami 155 vs his tone at 3km range. I won the duel. Afterwards I decided to give my opinion on his ship. Seems he had been getting the same opinion from others all night. We struck up a conversation and turns out we both had similar views on many aspects of the game. We talked in chat for like an hour not playing a single game. Eventually we teamed up for some Meme derp fun taking out ships we hardly ever played. This included a Makarov Div. It was a good time, minus the 10 cv matches we had in a row at different tiers. Moral of the story, while you may not like cv play or broke back annoying cruiser hybrid you should never judge the player. You may miss out on making a friend.

That game was rough all around. The left was easy to blow through but our right got overwhelmed. Your map awareness in knowing where to run was on point. Your anti dd play does need some work, but that is ok. Just food for thought. If you can spot and hunt dds early then you can have cruiser engage them as well. If you wait till later then most likely you wont have cruisers to support you. All in all your cv play was better then average and while I know I will get flamed for this, practice make perfect.

Every bb disrupts anopportunity for cruiser cause you know overmatch is a thing. Every class has some gimmick that disrupts other classes. The difference is that both bb and DD have their gimmicks on 100% of the time. Cruisers get a consumable and not all of them get it.

nope.

Seattle

I agree with Zao as being trash, Ibuki is similar to the atago just with worse torp angles but even still.

WG balances based on spreadsheets not common sense. Spreadsheet says DD suffer, it does not however take into effect the average skill level of those who are suffering. I have seen a great many dd players who are able to play around radar ships without much effort. Hell even I can avoid them most of the time or when I am caught by it or relegate most of it useless. Concealment is the most powerful attribute in this game. It is also the most Harry potter fantasy element of this game as well. So if you think Radar is too strong then I would suggest reviewing your replays to see where you Messed up.

This is actually kind of simple. The German Heavy DD line is trash. So rather then fix it they are making other ships worse to elevate it and to allow the german DDs a better chance to kill them. WG Idea of balance is to introduce solutions and ignore the underlining problem all together. Seriously look back at the last 2 years of releases and look at the meta that existed before those releases and you will see a trend. Just look at the EU DD line as a prime example. DDs were unable to be effective because CV's. So they made a dd with massive AA that is 10x more effective then a BB's AA, and gave it super fast torps. They did this because it was simpler for them to create a new line of ships then to go back and rebalance every ships AA values. In short Lesta Studio is drunk and or lazy and should no longer have anything to do with meta balancing.

Yeah that is suspect for sure.

Should have seen the game after it. Ran in killed musashi with torps, killed a mahan with guns and killed a nelson with torps We lost but I made up 50% of the KILLS

There is problem with realism when it comes to this game. It would be boring. Lets be honest who here doesnt love that Rush they get when they land a majority of their shells on a target and do massive damage. Well Realism would dictate most ships would have about 5% max accuracy vs the 33-52%(basing off my personal stats) Now I can point out several things that realism would change and most would be extremely negative. This is not a simulator.

Imagine the average COD lobby, now fill it with Karens

So is this game breaking? Sorta This new system would in fact be a massive boost to CL's, CA's, and several DDs(Gun boats). Where this could be game breaking is much like Deadeye made every one play max range BB this will encourage people to play more passive or adopt more terrain camping doctrines. It will also make div play a bit more reliant on smoke generators to maximize Damage output. This would in effect make BB players even more ineffective then they have been for some time. Combine this with WG's desire to nerf secondary combat and what you get is passivity by design.

When i see a dd I generally assume they are bad and 99% of the time I am right. There I fixed your statement.

I do this to offset the obligatory 7 reports the cv will get just for being a cv.

just to give an idea of how powerful USN cvs were, here is a link to all the ships they sunk by air power in ww2. You will also notice they list the classes as well. Destroyers tend to be the highest amount sunk, but this could also be to the fact they were the most numerous class of ship fielded as they tended to be easier to produce. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ships_sunk_by_US_aircraft