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Apparently, hence the title of this Jingle vid, Doesn't sound like the Gearing's width has been changed though.

Problem is in co-op, you can almost guarantee the bot sub is going to be more effective than some of these players.

An account just over a month old, with T10 subs. Must have mainly used the Ranger to get the T6 subs, then used those to get the T8s. Rinse & repeat to T10. He's not taken them into Random yet, though he's has taken the T8 subs in there a few times. Have "fun" guys ... when this chap is on your team.

All cruiser co-op matches do tend to finish very quickly. Not unusual for everyone to get a similar score with 1 kill each. There does seem to be a recent migration of PvP cruiser & DD players into co-op though. They're basically fed up with being an XP piñata for subs.

Except for sub vs sub combat where landing a hit with unguided torps would be pretty hard.

And I thought this was a C++ question. Ahh well, never mind.

You'd probably have exclude all Soviet cruisers though to make it vaguely interesting. Otherwise I would imagine it to be crammed full of teams of Petro/Moskva/Stalingrad/Smolensk/Nevsky

You really ought to apply for a job at WG.

Depends how long a "while" is. But could it be Dead-Eye nostalgia?

* Laughing secondary GZ players *

Probably. Certainly T3 HMS Dreadnought literally has no AA - the AA tile in the stat window disappears. And let me guess, if I was daft enough to take it into a Random match it would be double T4 CVs.

No! no, no, nooooo! It will only

It can only be surpassed when a similar thread is created by a sub player.

*Marblehead sighs in agreement*

I wouldn't put money on that

Atago bought at the end of last year to help train up my Yamamoto. I got some dubs from [LX] command in the new year so I used them (plus a few quids worth more) to get Weimar - thanks for recommendation @paulysan It's great in Narai where I've used it to train up Lutjens and farm FreeXP & credits.

Sub players would be bricking it.

So when do you get your pirate forum avatar? Or should that be avatarrrr?

This is just one of the many problems that have plagued the introduction of subs into the game. It's even a problem in co-op where even the bot subs are more capable than some of the sub players. It's a pattern that I see all to frequently I'm afraid - sub players who have got a T6 or 8 premium, played a few games in that to unlock the first sub, and then rinsed & repeated to T10 but not learnt anything on the way. Even seen an account that was only a couple of weeks old who was sailing a T10 sub. They often are a hindrance at T6 & 8 and are a liability at T10. I dread to think what it's like in PvP when one sub player even vaguely knows what they're doing and the other doesn't appear to have a clue. The problem is that subs appeared to be balanced around these inexperienced players. It's a pity the recently announced tutorials couldn't have been used for skill-gate access to subs. Get rid of the +2 tier access, have to perform in same tier ships to unlock a sub Have to reach a certain level of average baseXP/damage in a tech-tree DD to access a sub - can be done in co-op To access subs in Randoms you have to reach a level of baseXP/damage in co-op with subs, maybe even with a minimum level of DD performance in randoms too.

"Alternative Maths" no doubt.

TLDR :-

The poor mods are still probably still trying to figure out what the hell it's actually about and if there's a rule that covers it. Wouldn't be surprised if a new "Locked because of absurd nonsense" rule becomes a thing.