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What loses games most of the time is not the 6-7 ships huddled in the back, but the 3-4 ships that overextend without support in the beginning of the game, die without getting anything done, and then cry in chat about "noob team" and "zero support". Any of that sound familiar?

I am going off what WG has said as the reasons why subs are being added. As far as I understand, and can remember: a. They want to attract players who want to play subs b. They want to offer a new and diverse gaming experience Of course, b. above will cater to existing players, naturally. Even though the example above might give that impression, it wasn't my purpose to insult people who actually do want to play subs - my critique rests squarely with the company implementing them, and the idea that just because something offers a new and diverse experience, it is something desireable. After all, getting kicked in the nuts will be a new and diverse experience for someone. That doesn't mean that it adds value, particularly to the 99% of people who don't particularly want to be kicked in the nuts.

He's baiting to get you guys to violate the forum rules. Don't indulge him.

Spreadsheet shows that Yammy and Currywurst had lots of interesting and diverse interactions.

She's pretty OP. The guns shoot like frickin' lasers, it's one of the few ships in which blapping DDs at 10-12 km is not only possible, but trivial. Getting meaty shots on cruisers/BBs at 18-20 km is likewise trivial, due to a combination of crazy ballistics and crazy accuracy. The main weaknesses of the ship are horrible manouevrability, extreme vulnerability to crossfires (due to weak side plating and high citadel), and the tendency to get focused like crazy, because everyone knows that the Stalin is a game-winner and your chances of victory go up if you take it out. Pretty much all of these weaknesses can be mitigated by staying at range in the first half of the battle. Even that isn't a problem, because the Stalin is still plenty effective at mid-long range. Not as OP in ranked and particularly CB, as there is more co-ordination there, and engagements tend to happen at closer range. Ranked/CBs also require pushing, which imo the Stalin is not particularly good at (Petro is much, much better at that).

Not BoW imo. BoW was thicker and weirder, but also less clearly a troll. This guy doesn’t even pretend to have a real agenda, he’s just playing conversational games.

That was pretty much the first lesson I learned in ranked last patch. I went in believing the propaganda, that DDs were meant to hunt subs and had the tools to do it. I was wrong. Oh boy was I wrong...

The next thing to say is how much it matters to me. I'm still making up my mind on that one.

I'm sure that's the reason you don't want to get into a discussion with a player with the kind of experience and understanding of the game that @Bear__Necessities has. You would just make him look bad.

They (WG) know. They don't care. What more is there to say?

That would be awesome if that map was in fact suitable for brawling in any way. That's kind of the point I'm trying to make.

Why two brothers in epicenter? Why? It wasn't a good idea last time, or the time before, it's still not a good idea. Ugh.

I'm not in favour of nerfing premiums, as a general rule. That said, Massa is pretty damn broken at its own tier.

Oh boy, another DEEP_SHARKS thread. Had my popcorn ready; did not disappoint.

Played a match in minotaur in ranked 10 (where btw we still have subs! Whee!) I spent half the match being ping/single torp spammed by an invisible sub. He forced me to dcp to break lock on the single torps, then proceeded to wreck me with successive waves of undodgeable torps. I tried to run away, but he was far too fast for that. My only option would have been to turn around and try and rush him with depth charges. However, that would have meant showing broadside while I go for a slow turn, which is a surefire invitation to eat citadel damage. This is 10/10 game design. If only someone had told WG that this ping-spamming, single torp launching bonanza was going to be horrible to play against. Oh wait, we did. But we got gaslighted/ignored, because this is such "exciting new gameplay". You keep this rubbish up, and you are not going to have a playerbase anymore. Disgusting.

DDs don't depth charge subs in this game, that's an urban legend. (only very slight sarcasm intended)

I run mine with double rudder rangemod for maximum meme-ery. And sure, Minotaur is decently equipped as far as cruisers go. But they do not go very far. Forcing the sub to submerge to operational depth is the extent of what your radar can do, and you are still stuck with depth charges for ASW; your only way to actually deal with the damn things is do a suicide yolo rush with depth charges. That's not exactly a balanced or good dynamic.

I've played pretty much nothing but radar mino this season. It is indeed good, although there are a few maps in which you end up having very tough matches (like the ice one where there are biiiiiig open fields of fire and not that much cover).

How can you say that? Crysantos assured me just a few days ago in the other PSA Submarines thread that they really care about what I think and feel, when I expressed how disgusted I was in their actions and the sentiments expressed in the sub devblog. (I am sure someone will manage to misunderstand this, so big effing fat /S)

I checked, Okhotnik still has no depth charges.

We probably would have even won that game without your div, your team lemminged pretty hard (as did ours). I even set up some stealth torps on you, but either you slowed down or the Nelson is just too damn slow to sail into 4,5 km torps dropped into its path from 6 km away. I don't even bother shooting HE at a Nelson in a DD unless I really have absolutely nothing better to do, it's such a colossal waste of time.

They have not announced that depth charges will be added to Leone/Okhotnik. So I am going to assume no. Then again, as I told you in-game some weeks ago (really nice going up against a Nelson in an Okhotnik in a big map btw!), DD depth charges are so useless in PVP that it isn't such a big loss.

Um... no. We've seen what this leads to with star saving in ranked.

Also, as an addendum: (and pinging @Prophecy82) For those of you who didn't make a fuss about the Okhotnik/Leone nerfs, or felt we were overreacting/being dramatic: YOU DESERVE THIS. THIS IS ON YOU. Now pretty much all premium BBs have been nerfed, albeit not as heavily as Okhotnik/Leone.

So which explanation are we getting this time? I’m sure it’s about promoting new and interesting gameplay or some other wg doublespeak.