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Impcats should ttly be the latest addition in the US WW2 "-cat" series.

I have Stalingrad. I don't really regret the purchase; some people might consider it static or boring, but there is nothing else like Stalin guns in the game. That said, a downside that hasn't been mentioned here is that the Stalin is a victim of its own reputation. You get an insane amount of focus fire from the enemy team, and everyone angles against you. They would rather show broadside to two Yamatos and a Thunderer than you. That's kind of good for the team - as the Stalin is able to exert map control like a battleship - but it can be a bit boring for the Stalin driver.

I don't know if it's really better, but... you buy Yammy for the super accurate, high alpha overmatching guns. LM means you have even better accuracy... It becomes, in a sense, more Yamato-y. So it further refines the thing that makes Yamato unique. That's why I at least run it.

Not gonna lie, sniggered rl at that.

My most played ship is still a t5 (oclubnik), so Im not one to judge. Glass houses and all that.

Sure, I mean you're not wrong.

If you care so much you can use /charts to see the wr of a player with hidden stats.

Memento keeps it hidden to better club seals with at t2-4 where he mostly lives (at least according to his own words).

I find it annoying on a personal level, but I dont disagree with the approach, it is almost certainly the correct one. as for roadmap, we will have to agree to disagree. Anything that makes it easier to understand wg’s decisions is helpful imo.

I think there might have been one or two in the pacific, as there were lots of battles in among island chains, and ambushes might have happened.

I guess Leone is so sh1t that it doesn't make much difference. But Okhotnik... Okhotnik could have been great.

I believe Leone is in the same boat as Okhotnik. Hare II was supposed to get asw. argh error double post

I believe Leone is in the same boat as Okhotnik. Hare II was supposed to get asw.

I believe Leone is in the same boat as Okhotnik. Hare II was supposed to get asw.

There are very very few rewards for playing this particular gamemode. And the rewards you can get, you can actually also get by just playing randoms (as the alternative way to get the same resources is just accumulating base XP).

I have a lot of trouble understanding the whole situation. afaik they have several times changed the superstructure, AA armament, and secondaries of not just paper ships but built in steel ships. What is it about this particular napkin sketch that makes it holy and untouchable?

If you think sea mines are not on the road map, you're fooling yourself bro :P.

Sure. And if it hadn't been fitted with ASW when built (which is highly questionable; subs certainly operated in the Baltic ocean), it would certainly have been retrofitted with racks very soon after. It's not like bolting some racks or fitting in depth charges would have required momentous effort, especially given that the ship had mine-laying capacity and rails right from the start.

It is historical in the sense that such a piece of paper historically exists, and was probably even briefly discussed in some vodka-induced stupor by Imperial Russian officers before being discarded as too hare-brained for even that, occasionally rather experimental navy (which e.g. gave the world the "interesting" round ships of Admiral Popov). Why we are entirely chained to that piece of paper at the cost of reason and game balance is anyone's guess.

I don't think WWDragon was claiming that it is. He is just sharing WG's odd fixation with a napkin sketch as being the fixed point around which reality turns.

That's not what WWDragon is arguing - that napkin sketch he/she posted is a design drawing for the Okhotnik as it is in game. That said, I don't understand why we have to be super faithful to this one piece of paper, when pretty much every other ship has seen balance induced changes in order to make it fit the game. It's still IMO nonsense, but a different kind of nonsense.

Why not? Because that's a wildly inconsistent argument to use, particularly in the context of ASW/Subs. Where to start? WW2 subs did not "historically" use active sonar, or at least if they possessed it, they definetely didn't use it in combat. WW2 subs did not, for the most part, use homing torpedoes; acoustic torpedoes did see limited use in the late stages of the war, but they were an exception, not the rule. Most cruisers/BBs were not equipped with, or had on call ASW planes (although, e.g., spotter planes for battleships did occasionally carry depth charges). The Okhotnik is not a historical ship, but a napkin sketch. I'm pretty sure most WOWS paper ships (and indeed steel ships) have many "unhistorical" changes done to them to make them fit the game better. Had the Okhotnik been taken into service and remained in use into a period during which subs became common, she quite certainly would have been fitted with depth charges, like all other destroyers.

Never change, DEEP_SHARKS.

Imagine actually reading the results of your google search

I know subs could and did operate, eg, below the thermocline. Thats not my point. My point is that they couldnt do much at that depth, without visual spotting, radiocommunications or the ability to launch torpedoes (except for theoretical capacity late war, eg acoustic torpedoes).