Charles__Vane__

Hey guys, I see the Halland (and probably Oster) is a lot of fun, many super fast torps that you can spam, even if it does not have the punch of the shima. I've unlocked some lines, but one I did not go too far in was the Halland line. I unlocked the T6 when we had the event back in the days. I'm really hesitating to go further in this line, because when I look at Skane or Oland, I feel like 2x3 torps is really not a lot, even if they reload fast. I like to play the Shinonome, a T6 IJN DD who is not considered OP (compared to his tech tree counter part) and it has 3x3 torps that reload quite fast with a lot of punch. Oland has a T8 looks like (to me, and on paper...) anemic torps compared to this simple T6. So, Skane & Oland, meh ships or am I missing something here? thanks guys

Update: I've just finished the Oster grind and unlocked the Halland. 17 random battles with +800% XP (and premium). I have difficulties at first with Oster and did not find it great. My captain went from lvl 11 to lvl 13. I happen to have a few successful games and then ended up with 59% WR and 1150PR average Average damage is 39k, which is not great. Average frags a bit >1. Overall, I feel like: - torps are disappointing with Oster, as with Oland. Sure they are fast....but they don't have much besides that. The problem is, with 2x3 (Oland) and then 2x4 (Oster) the "torp wall" is quite narrow, so if the target change a little bit his course, you will miss or it with one or 2 torps. Since there is a torp damage reduction on BBs, we are talking very low numbers here (10-15k). - you have very long range torps...but it's easier to land them if you use them at closer range. - the guns are no joke on these boats... - I thought at first no smoke would be a big problem....but honestly, not really. Note that I like to play Kagero and Yugumo without smoke. - the AA is as it should be on any ship in this game :) - the short main battery range is actually great, because once you've killed the DD (or the dying ship closeby) you will not be spotted anymore. - it was rough at first, then funnier and funnier. - sometimes you need to be patient, because you miss your torps, you need to stay stealth, and you think you are not doing great. I'm not a pro (far from it) and I felt in these times I need to be patient, reposition, and try again. I've "saved a game" like this, where I was the only survivor in a zone (domination) with 4 reds. I managed to escape, sink 2 of them, and then when my team came to help we won the game. Just did my first game with the Halland and it seems great. 2x5 torps is a bit more usable, the 'torp wall' is wider...and still 90knts torps ;) I did not think about it, but with the anniversary event, the Halland gave me a SC, with 30d of premium. Off to a great start Halland!

Probably. I'm speaking here about an odd move, a move I did not understand, not a comment I receive. But I think on average, a unicum player who does something 'odd to me' has something to learn to me. Where as a player with very poor stats just probably did some mistake I might not have done. I usually consider all the constructive comments I receive. But let's be honest, most of the time it's "idiot team", without any explanation..that's just toxicity.

I love the overall idea and tone of your post. This game is the only one I know where you get insulted. Sometimes I see somebody doing something I would not have done. I look at this stats, and if he's really bad sometimes I try to tell this player what he could do differently (example: CV stop farming and help us spotting that flanking DD). When he's really good, I kindly asked him why he did that, because I would not have done that. This way, I learn. I hate when somebody calls me an idiot, especially from a camping BB in A line, yelling at me because I was left without support. But I have no problem when skilled people give me advice for the next game. so, I'd say, instead of yelling "moron team" or "idiot" or even worse, it's be better if people tell others what they expected.

Thanks man. I was pleasantly surprised by the oland, but not as a torpedo boat. So far, I was not very lucky (or good) with the Oster but hey, I hope I'll get better. Sure the torps are fast....but 80k alpha strike vs I 'won" the Blyskawica with the anniversary SC but I did not try it yet. On internet she does not seem very popular. I only have a 11pt captain for my EU DDs since I did not play this line before.

A bit more games later, feedback. Oland grind is over, it was pretty fast thanks to blue XP boosters (800%). It took me some operation battles, and 9 random battles. In random, I ended up with 1250avg PR and 57WR. I found it was quite disappointing regarding the torps, sure there are fast, but only 6, it's quite easy for a ship to throttle up or down and not eat all the torps. Since they hit like mosquitoes, it adds to the deception. There are pretty efficient against DD and cruisers, since they have less torpedo protection and they are quite fast. The guns were the nice surprise, pretty good and unless you face an anti-DD DD, you often win dog fights. I wanted it to be a torpedo boat but in fact, it's more a gunboat to me. But overall I liked it. Not my biggest damage ship, but it's efficient to contest cap or harass DDs. Let's meet Oster.

but Petro is exactly what he complains about Stalingrad. I have Petro and I like it, I don't play it too much (I like to savor it :) ). So if he does not like stalin I doubt he'll like Petro

it's were I disagree with you. I mean, I hate being in the "low WR team" that will be blapped by the division of unicums, but it's a game and every one has the same right as you to play. I could also say we should not let arrogant players play and then ban you too :)

A bit more games later, a feedback. I've played mostly operations. It's a lot of fun, especially the ones with planes. The problem with operations is a lot of people die quickly and I'd say it's 25-30% winrate. When you lose a game, you win 500 base exp with a correct game, for 20 minutes. Not very rewarding, will take forever to grind. So I've tried randoms. it's not that bad, but it really feels underpowered to me. I mostly use torps, since I don't have smoke and I don't want to be focused by 4 ships and die in seconds. Torps are anemic, I think I would perform better in a shinonome, even in a TX game than in this Oland. It's like a set of 3torpedoes tube is missing on this ship.

I also have winning rate in operation that is dropping fast too. Just lose a game with 230k+ damage in a T7, but Operations are really have with T8 ships, and if one or 2 guys die fast, it's over. And in some operations, the higher level ships are a big step up. A yamato when you are in a T7 cruiser for example, whatever you do, if he focuses you....you'll end up taking citadels. I feel like operations should be 1 tier only (T6 or T7 or T8) and be better calibrated. Here, it's a mess. and if you play T6 or T7, you are the only idiot with T8 players, and T9 or TX bots.

I had the same hesitation than OP a couple weeks ago and I picked the Sherman. I quite agree with Karkong: Sherman is like a CL without citadel. It's great if you have a DD who spot for you and if you don't have too many radar ships close. It's quite situational actually, if you are in the right situation (sitting in your smoke with no DD nor radar ship around) and you have a broadside BB close to you, you'll have a great time. If you are 1to1 with a DD you also have your chances, unless he's right ahead of you : only you front barrel will fire...anemic DPM. If I had to buy it again? Not so sure.

Yeah I have no doubt about those 2, they really seem fun. Thanks for taking the time to share so much information and also some videos :) That's exactly what I think when I look at T8 and before, on specs since I don't have the ships. I've played many other DD lines and when I look at Oland I can't stop thinking "Only 2x3 torps! and they hit like a fly!" Like you said, if only they reloaded every 40sec... Maybe that's the way to see it. I FXP the Skane and take the Oland, play it into operations if random is painful. Edit: I've unlocked the Oland (FXP the skane) and did 2 operations. It was very fun, she seems to have quite a nice fire chance or I've been very lucky...Sadly we lost both game, T8 operations are quite hard actually.

Thank you all for all the interesting comments. I see it's quite balanced, maybe a bit more "go for Oland" than "Skip that piece of junk" :) Thx

That's exactly my fears... :(

Pete is right. I've been accused of a Goliath I killed some weeks ago, from my JB, because I fired too fast. I detailed in another topic how a JB can fire 2 salvos in 20sec without any cheat. Exactly. I've never cheated (in a game or IRL) because I don't see the point. I prefer to lose honest than to win with shame. In France, we have a stage play from Corneille called "Le cid" where there is this famous line that roughly translate to: To conquer without danger we triumph without glory

I think a premium CV would be the worst gift I could get in a SC since I don't play them at all :)

wow you've been lucky for only 7SCs... So I opened 5 more containers and...again 1000gold + crappy signals. The next 5 SC were much more interesting:

opened 5 containers so far....1000gold is the best I got, the rest was flags and green bonuses.... :(

I'm pretty sure you understood my point : several bad teams in a row, then several good teams in a row, rinse and repeat. it's rarely one good, one bad, one good ... And when you use a MM monitor, it's very obvious. for a "bad" night, you always have 4x% WR average in your team while the other teams are 5x% in average. With sometimes division of unicums...

I did some coop games where both CV were bots...so WG really really wants to have CV in games, even when no players want to play CV :)

I noticed the game alternates between streaks of good and streaks of bad team. it is very rarely balanced...Actually I think if it was totally random we would have more balanced games. t seems to be per ship, I don't know if it's for a duration in hours or in number of battles. But clearly, let's say I play conqueror with good teams a night, I have a good WR. Next day or 2 days later, I will have bad teams all night, guaranteed. Just happened this week. Tonight was "bad team night for conqueror". Ended up with average 1800PR and 140k avg damage, 2 times 1st in the team 1 time second. For example, we had a worcester in the first game who ran straight to a division of Stalin and Petro. Devastated, obsiously, when he decided to U-turn in front of them. Second game, a Sherman who stayed in the back the whole game, trying to farm bbs at 15km. No spot, nothing. He ended up torped in his smoke. When it's like that, I just quit the game....or change ship. and Friday you will be playing with the team where the Ohboy and the Rain divisions are :) At least it is how it is for me. bad bad bad good good good bad bad bad good good good...

Short version Just ignore them. Long version :) Not so long ago, somebody reported me for cheating. He even opened chat after battle to tell me, and I asked him why, since I did not cheat (never found the reason why people cheat...you're not better because you defeat other guys with superior tools). So I asked him why? : - You reload too quickly for a BB that not possible, 10sec. - Ok mate, it's a JB, and it has MBRB, no cheat there.... - Nah not possible, JB has 26sec reload and MBRB is like 50% so 13sec. you cheated. - but with 6th module JB has 22.9s. MRBR is 50% but you also add Adrenaline Rush. Which is boosted with Honoré. So with 30% HP left, it's 70*0.25=-17.5%. 22.9-17.5% = 18.9s with 50% more from MBRB...here are your 10sec reload... -....yeah...but....you overmatched me and it's not possible! (he had a goliath) - euh....ok....Let me check the details of the game. 11shells in the structure for 10k damage mate. That's barely overpens... All in all, he wrongly accused me of 2 things that I perfectly explained to him...he never admitted he was wrong, he never apologised. Truth is, this game is full of no life fueled by hate who will jump of the first opportunity to report you or yell at you. Just ignore them.

First of all, I'm very happy with more operations and more possibilites with ships. But I think i needs a little tweaking... I think I just did Hermes (in french the mission I did is called Egide...is it Hermes?) and honestly it was horrible. I was a bit advanced at the start, as I used to do, in a Rooke (T7 UK BC). I faced 3 kitakaze at close range who heavily focused me will all their heart....3x kitakaze!!!! Seriously...I was dead in less a minute. It's not easy on CL....randoms are already complicated for CL I found, but it's even worst in operations. Most of the maps are "go from one corner to the other in open sea", with high caliber BBs...I was in an Helena in one of the new mission....I was on the right flank...then suddenly a Bismarck, a Gneisenau and 2 other ships pop at 6km from me, completely broadside. In an Helena....I managed to survive with a lot of dodging...but my game was clearly over. Less than 1k HP Overall I think it's hard for cruisers. @Chysagon, you mention Talinn, I think it will be complicated to always be angled given how operations maps are and ship spawn. Flint and Atlanta, I'm not sure either. It's more camp in the smoke and fire at everything. But operations it's always moving forward...and in open sea in a Flint or an Atlanta, you'll get devastated. At the end of the day, if WG manages to find a way to balance operations and make it playable for any kind of ship T6-T8 it might be great....and a very good opportunity to remove more casual players from random where good (sometimes not...) players yell at them. Might also be a good opportunity to level boring ships like Albermale without FXP them. EDIT: to reinforce my impression about CL and cruiser who struggles in operations...in the queue we had 42BBs to 1cruiser.

No I think it was a way of speaking, I'm not native speaker either, but clearly the right word is 'worst' :) Anshan is great, I got it too (not for coal...Steam sales...) and it is a really fun little DD. In operations it's a citadel ribbons machine ;) Plus the 100% Free XP camo is pretty nice too.

Me too.