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The difference is that you live a lot longer in a BB or a CV than in a DD if you make mistakes. So, I guess having a bad game in a BB / CV is less frustrating than in a DD. I noticed that too. As a DD I hate playing against other DDs more than against CV or radar. Only good thing is, that after surviving the first 5 mins usually DD numbers are reduced significantly.

Fascinating, a lot of DD player I see in-game have not so good or even bad stats but apparently still keep playing. I also have some moments where I ask my self, why not join the battleship zerk, there is a Thunderer waiting to be used :). But that's are only weak moments!

In der Regel ist der CV ja nicht unbedingt auf Hilfe darauf anwiesen, wenn es darum geht Zerstörer zu jagen und zu versenken ;) Das bekommt eine USS Enterprise auch mal locker alleine hin ;)

Würde ich eher an den CVs festmachen. Wenn der eigene CV unter 500 Spiele, eine Winrate von 35% und Durchschnittsschaden unter 20.000 in T8 hat ... während der Gegner-CV, superunicorn, in der Enterprise unterwegs ist, bin ich als DD-Spieler echt in Versuchung direkt "zurück zum Hafen" zu klicken. ;-)

12 km are not "long range". DDs are fast, but most torps are much faster. So, the DD can not simply push the magical "warp-speed" button and catch your torps if he wasn't already near to your torp line. He was maybe not directly io your torp line, but he was in an angle in front of you. Which means you fired clearly from the second line - which you shouldn't. Again, 12 km are not long range. For example 20 km Shima torps are. And there are plently of shima players that use this torps and don't damage or kill their team mates. I almost never get torped by other DDs, even DDs somtimes operate close to each other. Do you know why? Because you only fire torps if you front line. Otherwise you stay down. Realy, cruiser or even BBs want to use torps as main weapon should play DDs instead.

I have even a better idea for WG: While homing torps are already historically incorrect, why not give SS anti-ship missiles. I mean, how cool would that be, eh?!? And SS players do not even to attack bow on! It's even more easier!

I would say: it depends. In the first quarter of the game taking a cap is IMHO irrelevant and often very risky. It's more important to put pressure to the enemy flank at the cap, so you can take it without having to pray that no radar cruiser or CV sink you. If I contesting a cap, I often let the enemy DD make the first step, even in a stealth boat like the lightning. While the enemy DD takes the cap, I try to spot for my team, spotting torps and set some fires to BBs. I know exactly where the enemy DD is, so knows our CV and our radar cruisers. If my team can set enough pressure so that the enemy DD is loosing support, I start capping. If we fail setting enough pressure, we had loose that cap anyway, even if I would have capped it from the beginning.

Ah ok, mein Fehler. Nutze ja normalerweise wows-numbers oder wowsstats und nicht die WoWS-Seite. Finde letztere zu unübersichtlich.

Ist jetzt aber ein extremes Beispiel . 274 Gespielte Gefechte und im relativ anspruchsvollen T9 DD ... bei der Menge an Gefechten war ich noch im T3-T4 unterwegs. Wie repräsentativ ist denn so ein Spieler.

IMHO the real problem with subs are homing torps. Balance wise it would be better to blind fire them in the way DDs do. SS torps should be single fire mode as RN DDs. They should be able to choose between deep water or normal torps. They should have slightly lower reload times than DDs (60-80 seconds). Torp speed should be slightly lower than PAN EU DDs, e.g. T6: 65 kph base, T10:75 kph base. If DDs can hit a BB with unguided torps, why a SS can't? I recently instant-deleted a BB with a lightning just by using single fire torps at 6 km range. SS in contrast can even attack at lower distance without being spotted - and are not target of radar or CV spotting. Currently it seems like WG want's to introduce "under water easy mode DDs", while making life for DDs even harder (using water bombs to nuke DDs in smoke ... yeah ... radar and hydro and firing in smoke and random CV attacks are not enough. How about just remove smoke and give all DDs heal or reload booster). Even as DD main I have to say: poor BB players. At least, skilled BB player now can evade DD torps by using WASD and some evasive maneuvering. Apparently, this will not work for SS.

Die winrate mit "Skill" zu assoziieren ist so eine Sache. Zum einen kommt es darauf an, welche winrate betrachtet wird. Account? Tier? Schiff? Wenn jemand im T4 nur CVs mit 80% winrate spielt und dann plötzlich auf einen T10 Kreuzer wechselt, heißt das nicht automatisch, dass er plötzlich die selben Ergebnisse erzielt. Dann ist es so, dass die Spieler keine über die Zeit homogener Menge darstellen. Nehmen wir an Spielerpool 1 spielt nur Samstag um 10:00 und Spielerpool 2 nur Sonntag um 10:00. Beide Spielerpools überschneiden sich nicht. Spieler A hat in Spielerpool 1 eine Winrate von 60%, Spieler 2 im Spielerpool 2 eine Winrate von 50%. Bedeutet, dass Spieler 2 nun schlechter ist als Spieler 1? Wir wissen es nicht, da der Fertigkeitsgrad in Spielerpool 1 auch insgesamt niedriger liegen kann als im Spielerpool 2. Ich lass nebenher eigentlich immer den Matchmaker Monitor laufen. Damit habe ich mich allerdings auch schon ordentlich verschätzt und deftig Prügel von vermeintlichen "Opfern" kassiert.

Ggf. Funk-Tastatur? Mal Batterie ausgetauscht? (Kein Witz!)

IMHO I really think that this new PA DD will be not a good DD. The very similar Akizuki is a good ship but IMHO not a good DD. It's very large, sluggish, high turning radius, slow with mediocre concealment for a t8 DD. More a pocket CA than a DD. If I had to decide to run the Aki or the Lightning, I would always choose the Lightning - or the Cossack for more guns. With the PA smoke the Fen Yang might have some advantage over the Aki. But in fact you can do smoke up and HE spam already with a Gadja Mada in T7. The much better fire chance should make up for the lower gun damage of the Gadja, while having better maneuverability, 360° gun turrets and same concealment and 2x4 Torps that actually can hit cruisers.

It's really a gamble. Sometimes as a DD player I have outstanding support and the team shoots at priority targets I spot and mark. Ironically these are the matches where I can farm the least damage. In some matches, I risk a lot to spot HE spamming (radar) cruisers behind an island and nobody (which includes not only BB but also cruisers player ) seem to bother to use this advantage to sink it.

Out of interest: how about RN DD T9+? Those have sub 120 mm cannons with only 19 mm HE pen? It is recommended to use IFHE or better rely on setting little fires everywhere?

Das gleiche kann man auch in Hinsicht auf CA/CLs und BBs statuieren. Bei DDs wirkt es sich konsequenterweise nur am extremsten aus. Ich erlebe in vielen Random-Matches auch genug Kreuzer, die sich in den ersten 5 min durch eklatante Spielfehler versenken lassen.

Protip: if you spot a ship that does peek-a-boo behind an island or smoke up: aim for it and press ctrl x. You can lock a certain position on map and even if it is behind an island and without locking a ship. This of course only works if the ship is not moving away fast, because the spot cannot be moved once set. However, even you locked the spot, you will fire "blind", so be prepared to have reduced accuracy.

Therefore I wrote: "or you got an lucky opportunity". That is, e.g. if a destroyer pops 10 km right before your bow cannons. Escpacially with T8+ BBs guns becoming more accurate, there is no reason to not shoot. Even with AP. However, if there is the choise deleting a broadside cruiser or shoot at a DD, I would always go for the first. I simply emphazized the fact, that most BBs are not suited to battle DDs - at least not in WoWs. There are exceptions, however ...

As a BB your main target are not DDs. You shot them, if there is nothing else to shoot or you got an lucky opportunity. You main targets are CA/CLs and other BBs. Cruiser (and CVs) can quite reliable hit DDs. It's a team game after all. SAP-Cruiser can infact oneshot DDs, without having the need for a citadel.

Ist im übrigen nicht nur ein Problem für DDs. Ich war mal letztens mit der Massy unterwegs und aus irgendeinem Grund hatte mich die gegnerische Enterprise als Ziel auserkoren. 75% des Spiel bestanden dann selbst für ein US BB mit relativ guter AA (und trotz fighter plane ) aus sich im Kreis drehen und Torpedobomber ausweichen. Wir haben das Spiel zwar gewonnen, aber wirklich Spaß hat das nicht gemacht.

Die allgemeine Account-Winrate sagt deswegen nichts aus, weil man seine Winrate auch künstlich pushen kann (Tipp: Sealclubbing im T4-T6 CV mit Division). Besser wäre da schon die Winrate auf der jeweiligen Schiffsklasse oder noch besser, auf dem jeweiligen Schiff. Da aber erst auch ab 100 matches, da alles andere statistisch nicht aussagekräftig wäre. Am besten IMHO wäre eine Spielerwertung aus der durchschnittliche Basis-XP pro Schiff in Bezug auf die Schiffsklasse gemessen am Durchschnitt aller Schiffsklassen-Spieler des jeweilign Schiff-Tier - wobei hier die XP-Berechnung grundsätzlich überarbeitet werden müsste, da derzeit Schaden (insbesondere heilbarer Schaden, ergo HE) zu hoch und teamdienliches gameplay zu wenig bewertet wird. Daraus könnte dann auch ein Rank-System geschaffen werden, dass eine einigermaßen faire Verteilung von Spielern in den matches sicherstellt.

Sorry, but that's true for nearly all DDs, since no amount of AA (even Halland's one) will stop a DD from beeing sunk if a competent CV player wants you send to the oceans ground. Escpacially if the DD is against an uptired CV. So, It's not really a flaw, but simply a fact. Best defense of a DD against planes is high maneuverability in combination with low air concealment and common sense. To foresee the flight path maybe a study of psychology in combination with astrology might offer an additional advantage.

Das Nachladen von Torps bei DDs "simuliert" die historische Tatsache, dass in einer Schlacht pro BB ca. 10-20 DDs eingesetzt wurden. In WoWs kommen auf ein BB aber in der Regel eher max. 1 bis 0,5 DD.

The Shinonome is quite good, but suffers as all T6 DDs by it's only average concealment compared to T8 ships with stealth module. When facing ships like Kagero and Lightning, you really have a problem, because these higher tier ships out spot you by a wide margin. However, the bad concealment problem is not limited to the Shinonome , but also concern to alot of other T6 and T7 DDs (e.g. Farragut). As said before, Shino has quite good but short ranged and slow guns. I play it as a hybrid gun/torp-DD. By the way AA is meaningless for a DD. It doenst protect you from beeing attacked. Good CV player even can attack Halland and sink it.

If I would be on your team, I would had give the Musashis Karma for that action. Sadly, such divisions are too rare :-( Should happen every match.