little_rowboat

Imagine those circumstances in a BB vs DD situation. If the DD isn’t totally retarded the BB also has no chance. Is that unfair either? As for reality (I know it‘s a game) - which ship could stand one on one vs. a CV staying out of range of the ship? Or in former meta (ok planes were limited) but if the AA cruiser has spent all his def AA consumables he could hardly have won that 1 on 1 either if he wasn’t aware of the position and finds the CV to confront him. He would always be decapped and molten down step by step burning and flooding. Would it be better/more realistic/more satisfying if 1 on 1 the CV would always be outplayed by competent AA cruiser captains. Given the possible numbers of encounters and the attributes of a CV there is something right that the masterclass in a team game can not be outplayed 1 on 1 if both players have equal skillsets. Sure it’s sad if the friendly CV died, even worse when he died because of bad moves/positioning. But if it would have no impact, that the masterclass is alive or dead, there would be something wrong and the CV itself would be thwarted. Besides: what you say only is right for tier 8 and 10 CVs, Tier 6 and 4 are handable even with def AA DDs even if 2 CVs go for you 1 on 2 and even if one of those CVs is unicum. (never met 2 unicums going for me at the same time in lower/mid tier).

full score ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and this might be one for potential list.. 425 torps spotted, lol - close to 2 million potential 1 vs 4 for 6 minutes. got only 3 of them

I wonder if there are plans to make steel available on higher quantity without the need to play clan battles, e.g. like trading from free exp? I‘d be willing to trade 1 steel for 100 free EXP for example. Are there any plans to do so @MrConway or will the inflation on ship prices for steel lead to exclusivity of availability for CB accounts only?

ouch ^^ lost on points but saved our 2 CVs from a Jervis, an Aoba and a Tirpitz.. is that worthy? they were thankful.. a good thing every day

Mate... Being top of the ladder on a CV game.. what a luckbox you must have been. Doing that 3 times in an Udaloi, it's gotta be cheating. At least you had the decency not to carry it to a win. These days I feel like I should write somewhere that I'm kidding. Well done, though ;-)

Grown ups argument on facts and don‘t complain with obviously false claims that „dd play is impossible“ and „CVs have auto win buttons and are always on top of the ladder“. Yes it’s more contesting. Yes arguments for some adjustments are legit. But also yes, ignoring or make fun of facts, that prove bs arguments wrong while oneself is incapable is sissy behavior. There is a difference between unplayable and (too) hard to play for the majority of the playerbase. There also is a difference between “WG you did [edited], fix it immediately, it’s impossible to play anymore“ and „the change produced some problems which are ... to get this right you might think about certain adjustments which could be ...“. Thats the difference between crying like a little kid and argumenting on facts like a grown up with making suggestions for a solution. And yes, Wargaming is getting payed for solutions, but will this fact change anything - obviously not. Sure you have the right to argument if you feel mistreated. Why shouldn’t you. That was never in doubt. Like said, gonna leave this topic now and enjoy the show. Belated lucidity...

I don‘t believe anything, I play DD all the time and not in 10 % of my deaths I get killed by a CV even though there is some focus meanwhile due to the postings I assume. This account has a 4K rating, over 70% winrate and over 2,4K average exp so far all in the new meta, all in DDs, but yes, you obviously know better what’s possible and what’s not. Oh yes, the “tactical element“ of kiting and farming in a Khaba uncontested or sneaking the flank almost uncontested in a DD to spam BBs isn’t there anymore and static farming in maintained positions on Cruisers and BBs is now contested.. that’s so hypocritical. Just learn to play... Dude you are just lol.. but somehow you’re right. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks.. Gonna give up on that now and enjoy the show.

You can‘t play this situation much worse as a DD. First attack he was stationary. Second and third he was going straight without even trying to dodge the attack at least partly. What could he have done? At least moving, changing speed and direction, burn a smoke to try to survive, turn AA on to at least try to make it a bit more difficult, turn closer to friendly ships into their AA coverage.. plenty of things not being done while sitting like a duck waiting to be shot. Besides, planes were spotted late due to friendly CV being sleepy... That’s another thing to be recognized and to adapt to. You gotta expect that move as almost every CV atm goes into enemy fleet to check for easy targets. First minutes are mandatory to read what CV enemy CV(s) is/are gonna be like - what/where they focus and so on (not gonna write every basics over and over again). That example pretty much shows a CV player knowing what he’s doing meeting a clueless DD player doing everything wrong what could have been done wrong. This also pretty much sums up the forums habit to take encounters between best and worst and make a projection of this encounter on the whole situation which is completely nonsense.

Yep, leaving would at least be consequent though that attitude to avoid challenges and run away makes me sad somehow. Feel free to leave, you will get replaced easily from WGs point of view. But instead you stay and complain acting like a sissy instead of grown ups. Besides: The majority of players isn’t active in forums, neither are the new players to come which don’t know about former meta. Same was like the other major changes where people didn’t knew what it was like to stealth shoot or to get pushed out of smoke by BBs because in smoke they could stealth shoot. This game could hardly be ruined, at least not by such challenges like those implemented lately.

I witnessed so many situations where DD captains just played dumb, in tunnelvision or it was clearly to be seen they have no map awareness and made it way too easy for CV captains. There is nothing wrecked, it just became challenging a bit more. If one can't handle it yet, ok - might take some time and steady improvement and one can make it work. If one never will make it work, the class might not suit him - accept it and leave DDs behind or accept it and keep playing but adjust expectations. If one wasn't able to produce at least decent results in the former meta, why would one expect to perform better now when one has to adjust on top of the former (not existing) basics? And yes, it's that simple.. deal with it and adjust - either handling of the DD or expectations.

If that question was on me, I‘d say most of them, but played differently. You got to vary a bit between avoiding, ignoring and confronting CV actions. You know within the first 3 minutes what to expect from the enemy CV: Is he gonna spot/scout, is he capable of avoiding flak, is he gonna go for the win or is he gonna farm or is he clueless. Out of those informations you gotta adapt your playstile and when to sneak, retreat, hold position (in smoke) and several other actions. Only played IJN and US (till Mahan) in the current meta, but all other lines could be extrapolited from those 2 classes. If you attach AA in the US you can ignore (confront) most of enemy CVs till Tier 6. Regarding Tier 8 and 10 you gotta be more selective. If you learn how to dodge drops, it gives you some more options. Most CV players will say it‘s impossible if they hold until the last second, but it is against most of enemy CVs. you get a feeling for the planes and when to do what, depends also a bit on fps and if you can maneuver properly while watching into the sky to see planes. Though this is really stressful and I avoid getting into such situations. Same is with shell dodging from multiple sources on crossfires. Possible but not easy to learn. There was a sequence on the Kagero world record where it was possible to see how it works. To come back to your question. I‘d say IJN are most difficult and US are the easiest way to confront CVs in current meta due to def AA and long lasting smoke. Give it some time and it will get better continuously.

Look forward to this Beauty, it's possible to find ways. Just today (solo) and there were 2 really dumb games by me with yolo & out inside. Been mostly tier 8. 1 Game without CV 4 on 1 CV and 11 with 2 CVs.

Double Tier 8 CV game on Mahan with Kraken

Thats not the point. It was a general recommendation. Just think about it. The fact that you answered instantly not grasping what I wrote underlines my statement pretty well. You make a poll about something there can not be 2 opinions about in a civilized and ethically acting community. For the well of yourself settle and think about it.. besides: Stats shaming and bullying is not ok there is no discussion about it. As in life it's very probable that there is always somebody who might be better than oneself and could say about oneself what oneself says about others stat-shaming them. In this game (on the european side) there are less than 20 people who might be in the position to stat-shame others, but they won't for some reason.

Mate, don't take it personal, but you should find some more hobbies than creating threads and spending your time in this board... balance between on/off and certain acitvities is a good thing. I get that you are pretty much into this game and find some pleasure in contributing to this board and stuff, but if you don't balance this smart, you get tunnelvision and write for the purpose of writing. The result of that is, that in the shere mass of content written by you there are some statements and threads with which you ridicule yourself somehow. Dose it a bit, for your well and the well of the board. No offense...

Torpedosoup fun-mode Enemy killed 4 of us and then it was dd__dd vs 4 Turned it around into a win, unfortunately there is no solo warrior or something equal here ^^ https://replayswows.com/replay/47421#stats

What’s good in this is that they also saw the issues of average players grow with tiers. Doesn‘t change much if players (especially DDs) don’t adapt, only reduces damage output of CVs over time. The single strikes will hurt DDs as much as before. From my point of view it reduces impact of CVs on BBs and Cruisers plus impact over time due to average damage over time. Regarding wrong played DDs it changes not much. If that was the intention, then it doesn’t fit. Due to that a cooldown of none-10-20-30 (4-6-8-10) would had been enough imho. Also I doubt we see some major impact on average output of CV playerbase. Most CVs were bought now and players began to learn. That damage over time nerf will get eaten up mostly by the learning over time buff of the players. Though it has an impact on the already skilled CV captains reducing damage and impact over time - but those seldom encounters weren’t the actual problem of the playerbase. time will show...

Purpose would be interesting as long as it has no direct influence into matches. Might be a flag for 100,250,500,1000 karma-points that gives some small extra credits or exp. if people tend to go for that (balanced) extra, they might watch their chat a bit more and this might get a bit of toxic behavior out of games. Sure not overall, but every little bit is a step into a good direction. I could also imagine a single-game bonus for positive karmapoints after a game (a plus of 5% exp or credits or whatever) if one receives a positive karma from his own team (own because enemy might give negative points out of anger if sb performed well). there is some potential to slightly manipulate behavior ingame in a positive way..

Congrats. Had 4 several times and wondered if sb get‘s the full score kraken. Chapeau!

Farragut is in the books.. satisfying winrate for solo but close call on rating. Did play the B-hull instead of C-hull with def AA somehow. On Mahan i try C-hull with def AA due to more frequent tier 8 CVs to come

There are issues, but with adaption they are handable. If one adapts, one gets close to or even to the results before the change. Give it some time and it will be fine just like in the former major changes. German line might be a good choice after US. ;-)

Bei so vielen best agern hier weckt das doch eher Jugenderinnerungen

Taking a one time event to make a conclusion about a period ain't smart, that we agree on. I conclude it from the bigger samplesize attached below all played during the new meta, all dd, all solo. And no it's not my main account, call it a "just to falsify the DD is broken myth-account" as a result of a running bet.. Several ships inside which top Leaderboards worldwide and most of the ships played so far are from the underrated IJN line with no signifcant counter to CVs before and after the changes.. Atm working the US upwards, not sure whats to come afterwards till the 1k games mark is reached. No offense in this stats, but I see no better argument to falsify the myth... If you might feel offended don't look inside.

11 mins in the unplayable IJN line with a shima constantly at least 6km upfront my teammates at our flank being spotted 7 out of those 11 minutes (smoked 2 times). totally unplayable with CVs on auto place 1 in the results and with auto win buttons - wait as there is at least one each side, does it come down to who hit's the button first? crappy base exp was due to game mode and short duration. though it's been a 6k wows rating at least - decent basic playing. my last contribution to this dicsussion, as there won't be any new "arguments" to come from either side.. time will show.. good luck and try to have some fun between all this anger

Do they really are similar according to results in general? Not from my point of view. The only similar fact I observe is, that there still exist some players handling them extremely well but overall CVs are no problem to deal with - at least not more than before. Parts of the community are just sensitized and way too emotional to this matter. Time will relativize this issue, emotions will settle a bit and players adjust though there will be players not willing or able to do so.. More players are able to produce average output on CVs. So the main intention was fulfilled. CVs are as balanced as the other classes. You just can‘t balance players skills/habits/improvements..