MadBadDave

Although it is very hard for a T6 to fight a T8, and very unfair, anyone that’s played warspite and faced a Kaga and Tirpitz etc knows it’s a barrel of laughs, like wise if I’m in Alabama or Tirpitz and face a New Mexico or warspite you’re not only overconfident but certain of the outcome before a shots been fired. There’s also a good chance the T8 has more flags, capt skills and more likely to be fully modded (because the T8 will usually face T10’s more often), but hey this is the way WG want us to play, they could resolve it very easily; +/-1 MM but won’t. Whilst it can seem and is usually hopeless for a bottom tier T6, player ability and RNG can produce unexpected results (like a warspite kicking the arse of an over confident Bismarck player), had Bis stayed angled at 11km I’d have got wrecked but coming within 8km and broadside Bis didn’t last very long “POTATO”. T6 has no radar, concealment and torp range are not good, BBs are slow, and have short range secondaries etc. T7 sees Radar, better ships T8 sees more Radar, long range secondaries, great concealment and everything so much better than T6. The jump from T8-10 isn’t such a shock, only armour, gun calibre and Dakka rates (HE /Torps) increase.

Yes,just do the directives for the ship you have or intend getting, but given premiums come with perma camo, this is for collectors, VEDay fans and anyone that likes the 75 camo. It would’ve been better if it was like the PR Christmas camo; mountable on any Tier 8 ship. Wheres the 15% discount ?, (which is nothing given the monumental occasion of the 75th anniversary of THE greatest war, which saw the Reds lose millions and the Corona virus the greatest pandemic in a hundred years), I was aiming to get 2 premiums (Atago and Saipan), but given WG’s penny pinching got Bama’s camo instead, glad to see WGs bean counters thinking about potential sales 😔.

I thought the weekend started when lockdown did, it’s permanent weekend and perma potato time. Nice one WG !.

I think all those of us that do, let’s say encourage, should get a badge of honour “fry the potato” , then the chips would be down 😗.

NO, such ships are normally very slow, cumbersome, have very little weaponary and you’d find noobs and those not wishing to get a scratch or dent up the aux ships arse, you already see it now with a DD etc circling around a cv on the back line, how many reading this hug the bubble during Narai etc ?. Would like to see PT boats but given the low hp, CV dominance and radar that ain’t gonna happen, did also think about Frigates and often talked about Battlecruisers, would Hood finally be put into the right branch and if so would it get it’s torps 😗, And would Alaska and co be within the same class ?.

And then you'll get T9's moaning about being bottom Tier.

Spot on, as well our own ability ships are often overlooked, it's also no coincidence that as we improve so do our captain skills, which helps improve the ship and your win rate, e.g put a noob in a t4,5.6 DD or whatever with a 7 point capt, against someone with a 19 pointer, not only does the more experienced player benefit from knowledge and experience but from a far batter captain. We also have personal preferences for ships, those ships we find easy to play, ships we like but can never win in, and ships we just totally hate. And it can take a lot of game before you gel with a ship. We've all been out of position, got dev struck within the first few minutes, torped allies and done something we all regret afterwards but that said bad players do stand out a mile, the kind of players who don't know what the mini map is for, who stop outside a red base cap with no reds about, T8 BB's that fire HE at a broadside BB 6km away, players with full HP BB's that run away from the base cap when attacked by a low hp cruiser, etc. etc, A LOT are in premiums, only 2 weeks ago I watched a full HP Vanguard and Massa run away for a half hp Massa. Everyone, and I mean everyone, including everyone at WG knows what the issues are, will they fix them, no !, but they will however bring out a new range of ships, that's their over-riding drive; MONEY, and surprise, surprise it's russian cruisers, that will be OP. We can be and are all tools, no matter what the Tier, take one of my games today (another T8 uptiered to T10), I came top in a T8 DD, and greens won easily, despite Reds having A LOT Of ranked players,were they all unlucky, were some tools and did RNG have a hand in the result ?.

The usual T8 uptiered to a T10, the usual high quality Rankers, ROFL.

Wow, 75 years of the greatest war ever in scope, scale and death, military progress, etc.etec, at the same time as the worst pandemic in several generations; thats it ??, WG are very generous.

I didn’t vote, whilst most of us start off dire generally over time we improve, some have natural ability and pick it up from the start, while the remainder literally are no hopers, no matter what your level MM and RNG can improve or degrade your ability further. But we all have good games, bad games, great games and cringeworthy bad games, if we played well every game and won every game we’d soon get bored, and be seeing a day of losses and then a day of victories we know no matter what we do WG dictates the terms 🤫.

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Nerf all cruiser / Missouri Radar to 10km, and buff all DD torps to 10Km. = Balance !. Take lightning; 5.5km concealment, 8km Torps, often uptiered vs T10's (multiple Radar Ships and T10 cv's). Not only is radar a problem but it's AA is woeful. At least the Pan EU/Swedish DD's have good AA and Radar busting Torps. How many new paper Russian Cruisers will have Radar ?.

Thing is, it’s been said but Cossacks guns fire quicker, I have RPF on all DDs and so do a lot of other players, stands to reason that someone playing a very low concealment knife fighter would have RPF 👍, say. your vs a Alaska, chaphev, Moskva, any us cruiser you care to mention you certainly ain’t gonna get near your 5.5km detection, your 8km torps aren’t gonna reach that Moskva at 8.5km but every ship with Radar is going to light you up at 10km +, that’s why I kept Cossack but got rid of the lightning and now play Oland etc, Radar and hydro are no longer a concern, while I’ve fired 6 torps at your lightning 12km away and reloading your still 4km away from launching yours. WG should either nerf every Radar to 7-8km or buff all dd torps to 10km.

I’ve seen one of the latest you tube videos and this is supposedly an op ship, well on the day where I had most wins, so therefore tomorrow will be mostly losses 😉, my last game of the day saw a Venietta with a ranked player who was like the rest of the so called good players ;ranked getting roflstomped 12 nil. And we’re talking T10 ranked, I had my favourite BB that’s been powercrept to hell with a firing ark, dispersion and shot speed that wouldn’t catch a one legged blind granny (Alabama). I did poorly because the T10’s went right (two brothers), leaving me to face a Kremlin, Bourgy, Cleveland and DD, and I still lasted a lot longer than allied T10s, finishing 4th. BTW good move by the JB to go up the middle after an ibuki 😂🤣, especially as he blew the chance to Dev strike the broadside ibuki from 1km 😱. My point; it’s not the ships it’s the players, put the JB player or any of the supposed T10 rankers into the most op ship in the game and they’d still screw it up. T10 is supposed to be where the skill, ability, knowledge and experience is; 12 nil whitewash ? , really !!. Once again WGs MM (T8’s far better playing tier), and incompetence when introducing noobs to the game comes to the fore, oh and that Russian inspired RNG again .

Apologies if this had been asked before but I’m hoping to get another’s perspective on my favourite cruiser; yep Eugen. Very simple question; AP all the time, HE all the time or the usual (switch between the 2 as the need/situation arises). I normally switch but a recent game where I took over 30k off a US cruiser and WG’s own Wiki description of Eugen led me to asking this question. Cruisers aren’t my main (DD’s and BB’s are).

Which is why only the cv should spot you. It’s hard enough but easier in some ships to avoid death by cv , let alone face and dodge the unrelenting he spam from cruisers and secondary fire etc from BBs

I had a higher WR and PR with Radar than smoke Mino, just division or tag along with a friendly DD, a Gearing’s a good choice and radar away, it’s the ultimate DD Hunter. When a BB or Hindenburg are about tread carefully.

Great Response, many thanks, a lot of the above rings true, and I wanted another opinion, which you've more than done, I find PE frustrating as I'm sure you do, it definitely has all the tools, and is the one T8 cruiser you want in the end game, when things are close. I Have no trouble hitting DD's at distance with PE and Hipper, because of those brilliant flat shell arks and shell velocity and it knocks down planes for fun, hydro, torps, heal, reload, range and HP all are great, which is why it's my Favourite Cruiser, it's historic and even the RN thought it was Bismarck when they first encountered it, it can be a lone raider or bb/fleet escort, and yet it never seems to be in anyone's top 10 lists, instead Bayard, Smolensk and Irian etc are. With RNG and PE's will AP hurt or not, I supposed the answer is suck it and see, thanks all.

Like everything within the game WG have got more Scrooge like, try your luck is now “go on waste your time and effort on nothing - loser”. When you do finally get an SC it’s wow it’s 25 flags 🤭. Which you would’ve got if you’d gone for flags instead 😏.

Muppets, WG Fanboy, Wallet warski, Noobs, novi chockers,any thing and everything, best with a Russian theme though, because whilst we all have good games and bad games, such players ruin our enjoyment of the game turning our hard earned time and effort to like their skull contents ;MUSH. A lot still don’t see or understand that small square thing found bottom right, a lot don’t think they need to defend their cap, a lot sit happily broadside, a lot fire before being smoked, a lot think smoke is an invisibility shield, and the list goes on and on and on and on, naturally some potatoes get better but looking at the stats of a lot of players (yep mines private with over 50%wr, and I’m about 4th in my clan of 38), a lot don’t seem to learn anything The reason; WRs lack lustre attempt to introduce noobs, having no proper structured training program that restricts movement throughout the tiers unless directives ala PR are first completed. Where is the directive that makes use and brings the importance of the mini map to a noobs notice ?. Do you need to capture the base or merely ambush and defend yours to win ?. Most potatoes border hump all the way to red base, only for a red dd to cap green base.

The Eu/Swedish DD line has both bucked the hapless DD trend and highlighted just how woeful DD AA is, prior to getting the Oland and Ostergotland I dreaded seeing a cv in the starting line up, now I see a cv and think “please target me cv”, imagine if the EU botes came with smoke 😱, Some have said increase stealth, improve manoeuvrability etc, simple truth you’d have to balance each and every DD out and then you’d lose balance against other ship types. I.e what chance does a bb have if a dds concealment is sub 5km ?. Using my other DDs it’s abundantly clear that even ships with supposedly good AA do not, I include Sims, Kidd and Akizuki, Personally I would rather face a cv in the oland rather than these 3. By all accounts EU T10 is devastating to aircraft. Once again power creep raises it’s head. The one ship I do play that’s a AA monster is the Alabama (90), sadly planes tend to avoid it 🙁. Unless there’s a noob cv player. Anyway; I personally feel that If a cv spots a dd only that cv spots it, making it a 1 vs 1 as opposed to avoiding fire and torps from the cvs allied as well, All DD AA should be buffed to a state that makes the DD unviable as a target (hard to hit; which they are) and costly in terms of planes lost, currently cvs can essentially loiter over a dd keeping it spotted and carrying out several attack runs, now if only the cv could spot the dd and the dd effectively killed planes so there’s less attack runs, you mute the carrier ?. A cv player should see every dd as a mini Alabama, that spews death but is also hard to hit, believe me Bama can torp beat with the best of them 😉. Cv would then move onto next easy prey, etc,etc,etc. You’d then get Cv players moaning and demanding a refund for premium cvs. The worst thing WG did was stick with FPS instead of rolling back to RTS, which no surprise I preferred, fighters were fighters with free reign not confined to a tiny timed area.

Smoked ships are vulnerable because people in smoke think they are safe, Mino is very easy to citadel/ dev strike in smoke, when I had mine I preferred Radar, Hindenburgs guns can get very hard (I’ve citadelled BBs in mine), and have been done myself (exactly like you), about a year ago, hitting and killing someone in smoke is actually fairly easy, even if they are moving, especially if you have a spotter plane, in smoke; move back and forth randomly, chain fire randomly, have an exit, and don’t stay in smoke long, if your the one out of smoke ; notice where the gun flashes are and aim in the middle of the flashes and slight below, this doesn’t work against all ships but I’ve reliably hit and killed DD’s and Cruisers in smoke.

Competition ?, warship wise very little. C19 has massively increased revenue and player base for WG, why would they want to change that ?. Lockdowns are being relaxed, games are out/coming out that will hit WG for 6; C&C, Chimera, and Gear tactics etc, veterans have left because of the noobs, who themselves will leave post C19, (why stay in when you can go out ?). What will WG do; bury head in sand, release op Russian cruisers, add more he spammers, more radar, charge a fortune for everything and scratch arse wondering where non Russian power base has gone.

After what happened earlier I’m gonna stick with AP and see how it pans out, normally I’d shoot he at a bbs superstructure, if in a dd or cruiser but given the PE’s Ap it must do just as good damage to the superstructure as HE ?, I’ve also seen elsewhere that PE’s AP is more effective vs DDs than HE ?.

For once I agree with you Pete, the point of the question was to hopefully get some wise guidance from someone who plays and knows the Eugen more than I do. I agree the torps are short ranged but numerous and deadly, and quite funny when a tirpitz tries to trade torps. Thanks all, will stick to the tried and tested Route ; close eyes and prey upon pressing mouse button 🤭.