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it's not always what you wish to play or see as an oppurtinity for what example's the stats of the ship shows. It is really about your playstyle + what the ship can bring you as an advantage of your playstyle. And I mean it also in that direction; you decide what your playstyle is, and then you choose different ships that records on their specifications the most to your playstyle. You play them, and then you discover the pro and cons of the ship. The ship that covers it the best way for your unique playstyle fits the best for you as experience, so that becomes in reallity your favorite ship. Example; Has a verry good concealment, so that's also a plus as DD player Combined with longrange torps .... It's not a super gundestroyer but.... Assashio, has all the negatifs of a normal destroyer, cant torp DD's , can't torp Cruisers, only BB's and CV's. And it's neither a typical gunboat destroyer neither... Your favorite ship becomes the one you can get a grip of your ship you play and the game and the respond you give to that ingame moment. And yes, ships can't always cooperate with the gamemechanics of the other ships, but your favorite ship or techline, will and shall be the one that conforms you the best. Even it would be the last ship you would rationaly choose.

there"s also another option; Russians fight for the Motherland, and Americans fight for the Fatherland. As soon Father and Mother should marry, all the children will benefit from it

Simply being in a clan give you bonusses for Coal, XP, reduction on service costs and etcetera. For this game you don't have to be in a clan, you can play it totally solo without any restrictions ( I've played a long time that way) It's just to be able to do clanbatlle's (minimum 7 members must be active for that game mode in time to gain steel) So you can say, I don't need a clan and I don't have any restrictions in the game. If I wish to have some benefits, like more coal, more reduction on buying (grinding) ships, I join a clan. The cumulated oil in the clan gives these advantages. If you wish to be competitive and gain extra , easier steel resources, you have to be in clan to move on in that direction . All the others, like extra benefits, but not competitive for steel, you can do solo, even have a solo clan with only you in it ;) A clan has nothing to do with your gameplay, even some would mention it here it is. You gain all the same stuff then they have in their clan. Just clanbattle's you are not able to do if you are not with 7 members and active at that timeperiod for extra steel. You gain more steel if you win clanbattle's, that's the only difference to be in a non competitive clan and second, you can gain that even yourself if you are solo in your own clan. So all you gain without the extra steel income. EDIT I With steel you can buy ships with it. And some shall still try to argue that only the best of the best can have them. I have also a steelship and I'm verry happy with it, and I never joined a competitive clan or be super best or super unicum for it in the game. I in the past started a clan , formed it and later give it away to a player in that clan that was in a hardtime in real life and couldn't afford it to have one at that moment. He was also the best recruiter for the clan , so he deserved it also for me. For most , a clan is equal to leadership 'being the boss' and etcetera, for me and in this game, it's just for some benefits, because you can play the game perfectly without it.

Current situation when you start the game, it stays on the 'log in' and that's it. In other words, you can't enter the game

Like always, people work for a company but doesn't wish to be accompanied with it. But at some point it doesn't go anymore, because the employees ( no matter what level they have in the company) are associated with it. And then it's still a matter, you go for the job (payrate) or for your profession ? When people make that decision, they also look what the company policy is. And then they decide, is it 'healthy for my profession, line of work, career ? If it doesn't, then they seek the 'more green graslands'. Mademosail did, because her career would be associated for the rest of her life with WG, and she decided, no, non, "ce n’était qu’une étape temporaire dans ma carrière" EDIT I : To give you an example for the EU server; the twins, in all their streams they supported WG, and there payrate. But at some point, they gonna have to decide on witch side they really are, and then they leave WG also. Because they would be pointless in their future profession . Are the 'twins' nice guys ? Yes, for their family, their friends and for the community. But at some point, they represent WG also, and when that's an issue, they shall step out or otherwise they would be unemployed after WG episode.

What's the forumtopic ? Pegi 18 Why ? What's the argumentation ? So we gonna be able to stop the lootboxes by WG. What do we have in Belgium ? Lootboxes are not allowed by WG to sell to players / users of their game. What Pegi rate WG had at that moment ? Pegi 7. Was it a reason to change to the Pegi rate ? No Whas it sugested by WG ? No The players / forumusers asks now for a new Pegi rate 18 so lootboxes shouldn't be allowed. Actually they ask, let the lootboxes in the game, only change the Pegi rate so children shouldn't be the victims. it's even the argumentations given by the ex - CC's. Our / My argumentations .... and also the argumentations that WG is giving. Children aren't the victims, they can never buy them as children, they need a creditcard from their parents for it. There young age protects them already to have any creditcard or any other form or payment to their disposal. (that's also already regulated) Sub_Octavian claims now that WG wish to have a leading role in the gameindustry and would ask self to have a Pegi 12 instead of Pegi 7. That's just windowdressing he does. Pegi rating has to do with what you can see and nothing with what you can do. Most doesn't understand that neither here on this forum. But Sub_Octavian is trowing a bone in the audience. So the mute would calm down. If we can achieve that the new Pegi rating WG would ask as a Pegi 12 has to fullfill on the new regulations, what includes also gambling.... and so has to be Pegi 18, then WG would withdraw their own request. And WG (Sub_Octavian ) would sell it to the Wargaming public as rejected by the regulators and it has to stay Pegi 7. WeeGee has employees that does nothing else then everyday read and notice every forumposts on every server. And then you have posts like; " yeah, pegi 18 so I can write dirty language and expressions without being banned ". So for WG, the argumentation shall be, not Pegi 18, because we wish to protect our playerbase against such persons. That's how it works. For us; Pegi rate was never an issue and we achieved that lootboxes aren't allowed. But we also don't wish to be involved to others when we face such examples like simply just here in this forumthread. And we do know, that the ones that really wish to tackle the issue wish to count on us, because yes we are the example in Europe. We have to battle on European lvl for some forumusers that wish to use words and not been chatbanned anymore ? We like to use our energy for something better.

no it aint ranting, it's explained verry clear . But then you have always the ones that has to post to post and where pages are gone after the posts that really matters. But the forum is full of it. You really think that WG isn't using that ? That's how I explain it, how stupid some really are on the forum. They simply post on this forum and all what they do is alone on this forum and nothing else. I explained already what I do and did . And WG was not our first gamecompany we tackled . But yes , then indeed you have to read all the posts. For example, I've readed your first reaction on my post and wished to answer, but I couldn't because ColonelPete had a lot of letters to use but nothing to say. He achieved what WG is all the time hoping ... let decent posts / argumentations vaporite after posts of letters without any sentence at all.

no it aint, that's how it works. the childisch guy /girl is ColonelPete. He/she doesn't know how it really works. The naive guys / girls gonna argumentate (even on this forum) everyone has to be nice against the twins Mr Conway and his twinbrother/-siter and jaccabee and so on. Because they are nice guys and do only what ST-Petersburg HQ tells them to do. Wrong; HQ is not St Petersburg but in Cyprus and second, these are the ones that allowes every monetazing and gambling element in the game.... they even check the country regulations . You really think that Jaccabee and Mr Conway and his twin (brother or sister) does only answer the forum ones and a while and play ones a week Warships on stream ? Ask them what they do and you all would be really surprised.

och do you really are that ..... Do something instead of winning without any decent argumentation and make you have in your country the same result as we have here in Belgium. you didn't argue anything then just, we don't have what you have in Belgium. But hey, I can post on a WeeGee forum to tell them I am against them and agree why the CC's that left the CCTP program, it was for the gambling issue for Pegi 7 audience that never had and have any creditcards .... Go on ..... Make my day .....

if you don't have the license for it = it's forbidden in Belgium. Unless WG changes to announce themselves as a gamblingcompany. Then they may sell lootboxes, but not explode the game ... so then WG can not sell any lootboxes for the game neither. You are arguing , just for the argumentation with your forumaudiance... but you are arguing against someone that in reality is almost for 100 % the author of the whole regulation WG has to follow in Belgium. That's the difference.

Really ? You don't know annything, that's what I know for sure. Because you simply post to post and not even now mention what (mistake) I should have done. You simply mention a mistake and hope your audiance jump on the wagon. I ask you clearly, point out my mistake. But I didn't made a mistake, I know verry well what I'm talking about. Lootboxes from WG not allowed in Belgium, even Pegi rate 7 for WG and not any intention from both sides to raise that Pegi number to allowe it. Not even from WG. WG never argued to have a Pegi rate 12 for example, like Sub_Octavian does for the Wargaming public / audiance / players now . Because that Pegi number can be a totally wrong impression of the game also. And Sub_Octavion is also right in that. But yeah, the forumusers likes the guy's and girls that can claim; " yes it has to be 18+ as Pegi rate " because then I can say F---U----C------K Y----O-----U----- without being banned. yeah go with these arguments to a courtroom , or in an argumentation for legislation or regulations, let us be honoust, it are never them that achieve anything, because they don't even know how it works.

[edited]off , if that's the only thing you can do in live then post on a forum where you don't know anything about . For Belgium; no lootboxes from WG. And all the CC's that left WG, CC program for in 2021 are years too late what we (already here in Belgium) have achieved already. an even new Pegi 12 rate shall not forbid WG to still launch lootboxes (gambling). We didn't need the Pegi rate (because it was Pegi 7 for WG) and still we could prevent WG for selling lootboxes in their game.

what is your point you wish to proof ? That you can post much more then you can battle ingame ? lootboxes selled by WG are not allowed in Belgium, because WG claims to be a gamecompany. If WG wish to sell lootboxes in Belgium ( by their game) then they need to have a 'gambling' license, otherwise not allowed. WG can't sell lootboxes in Belgium , because then they contradicts their own to be a gamecompany. Gamecompany's can't sell lootboxes, because then they aren't a gamecompany but a 'gambling' company. Gambling company's doesn't sell gamecompany stuff ;) Do the math, do the thinking and do the endconclusion. EDIT I Forum is full of the guys and girls like you for example; they just post for the postcount and nothing to do with the topic self

WG doesn't have that license and can never obtain or gain it. " lootboxes are not allowed " because it's seen as gambling. In Belgium we could achieve that, even wathever Pegi rate WeeGee has. if you don't understand it at full, if WeeGee wish to sell lootboxes in Belgium, they need a license, but that also means WeeGee must admit it is gambling .... We achieved that the gamecompany must admit (if they wish to sell it in our country) that it is gambling. We self weren't intrested in Pegi Ratings for WeeGee, neither we wished to know the lootboxes droprates. All what the forumusers asks in the topics, we neglected in our case against WeeGee (and other gamecompanies). In verry short explanation, our strategy was, let the company self explain if it is gambling or not. And if they say yes, then also agree with our gambling laws. If they say no, then let them selves explain how many value players / users have from the crates, lootboxes and etcetera. Too give you some details, in the judicial investigation, we simply bought , under supervision of lawyers and judges , lootboxes and have translated that in the value for the buyer / player. The outcome was negative for the buyer/ player, so not allowed, because in gambling industry, the 'house always win' and we could proove, that WeeGee was the winner , always. It was not just WeeGee, other gamecompanies use the same method to lure the players. But we in Belgium where able to fight them and to win that case. Sub Octavian may as much announce that WeeGee is willing to go for Pegi 12, it doesn't solve the issue. But if the playerbase accepts what WeeGee is announcing, then we are and still gonne be the only country in Europe that could stand against WeeGee arguments and lawyers. . yes it is so that WeeGee is following the regulations and uses in the gameindustry and by country, but we in Belgium achieved that WeeGee had to follow our rules and not accepting WeeGee explanation, "we do what every other gamecompany does " Fine for you we sayed to WeeGee, but not fine for us, so we stick to our case... you (WeeGee) bow to us or you leave. @ ColonelPete, that's just the case... If WeeGee wish to sell lootboxes in Belgium .... they need a license, and not such a license, ... a license that admits it is 'gambling'. You didn't understood our strategy ? We never forbid WeeGee to sell lootboxes in Belgium, we only prooved, the outcome is equal to gambling, so they may sell them in Belgium, but then they need a 'gambling permission ' and have to follow these regulations also. You know also the physics ? No 2 elements can be in the same place at the same time. If WeeGee wish to sell lootboxes in Belgium, they have to choose between being a game company or a gambling company .... They can't be both at the same time That"s in verry short how we won the case

A question ; "How come we have in Belgium none of the lootboxes of WG , even WeeGee was Pegi 7 and seems WeeGee is self questioning now for PEGI 12 ?" Because we know what the real issue was and how we could achieve it. I need the first of the forumusers to come up with the answer, but mostly it would be just 'rambling mambling'. In Belgium we did it already and achieved it already. No lootlboxes allowed, no matter what Pegi number WeeGee has

You don' t win against WG, that' s the case no matter how many CC's left the program. They all me combined against WG, Mighty Jingles, Flambass, Flamu, you still achieve nothing. And the most important thing you don't mark. WE won against WG in Belgium, you all have to start in your country and hoping to achieve what we had here in Belgium. But my support or of my agency you don't have, seen the reaction you give against new players in the game and the ridiculous answers just to argue in the forum. We are only in to support Little White Mousse and Chobu, to donate so they can have decent lawyers in their country ( Canada) so they can overcome the geographic jurisdistic distance with WG because they both have legal grounds. And all the rest, ..... tja... in a courtroom I don't use you as example. et en francais on dit, "mais enfin". In a courtroom, WG shall use the whole forum against the playerbase.... look judge what our own playerbase tells / react on a person who's come to our forum to ask for guidance. That stupid you are... W And you need us now to win against WG ? Because we already won that case against WG in Belgium and I self and my office worked on it and we won. Yeah, make my day and tell me the Missouri is in my first free or almost free lootbox. a In short, WE won against WG and all the rest, no matter what numbers they have on their You Tube channels, had nothing to do with our result and complains. And now they all have to start to have the same result we had here . =We are not in to help them now

[edited]off, if you don't know what is going on Desert Storm - Battleship USS Missouri Comes Under Iraqi Anti-Ship Missile Attack - YouTube You're Mighty Jingles , an ex CC now , but still monetazing the gamebase of WG, give his support to that channel. We won in Belgium against WG, don't tell me what I have to do now. You all have to start to achieve what we achieved here in Belgium. And don't forget, all the ex CC's are claiming what they are against while we achieved it already for years here in Belgium.

Not in, the way you original started this topic. WG recently supported (and payed) for a You Tuber channel (who's nothing to do with WG before) and has more then700.000 subcribers for his channel. Flamu, Flambass, Mighty Jingles combined doesn't reach even that number what that guy has. Geuss what was on the plate for WG ? Like I mentioned before, I don't wish to be the lawyer for the community, even we achieved everything the community is asking and revolting against WG. We already won that case in Belgium. But be realistic, what are you playerbase do ? Look at your own posts. A player (new to the game) complains or argue something and immidiattely you have double / tripple forumusers that critice that player (he or she) for being totally noob. Check for Christ sake your own posts from A to Z and tell me you was the one to inform, guide, learn that forumuser. Yes we won in Belgium, does that mean I have to step up for the WG community now ?

the bussiness for them is not what you think, that is your and others mistake. I shall give you an example; the whole 'Missouri ' and all the CC's and ex CC's , bla bla about lootboxes and bla bla. You have to enter an external website where the Missouri is launched. And that website is dedicated to the end of WW2. That's WG bussiness, not the game. How many people they gonna attract to that new website ? That number is important for WG and nothing else, because that's what they use in the world with their potential clients. Ask what they do during the week and what contacts they have in the name of the game with other civilians in the world. They shall tell you, both of them of that stream.

If you wish to have an impact, then you must know how the company works you are against. The game isn't their mainbussiness of the company you are complaining against. I still need the first the CC and even ex CC's to cover that part

Calm down that's what you have to do. personal insults not allowed, everybody can understand that . But WG failled at the start because it happened against Turry, who' also a real person. WG insulted that CC. He's also a person and WG or none of the staff or employees prevented that action against Turry. Even WG has expressed appologies later. It was later or afterwards. WG = the employees and the employees are WG, no matter what lvl the employees have in the hierarchy of the company WG. You employees discuss about the whole situation. We don't know all the persons involved, we only know, they all work for the same company called WG. WG is not some far away decission centre, you and all the other employees are that decission centre.

You are doing verry well, but not yet " we are doing it". Other gamedeveloppers are in this case also now. I know verry well, I had a day at the office. In short; the community has the attention of the authorities and the authorities take stand for the complains the community is presenting. In simple words explained; authorities act on behave of the community ( not WG players but all humans) so society. If the society asks for regulations, then every authoritie shall give them. Ones we past the other gamedeveloppers that doesn't wish regulations neither (like WG, let us not be so naive) then the lootboxes shall be out in every game on the EU servers for every game. Not even that, every paywall shall be restricted also. iEarlgrey isn't my favorite you tuber about WG, but he had a verry good point in his last you tube post. If the CC's of World of tanks does the same what happens in WoW's, then the dices rolles in the favorite of the community and WG (and also other companies) shall have to stop with their current monetazation. And it is indeed like I mentioned before, the 'twins' are involved. Mr Conway is really "staff". Every decision and every description given by WG is also passed and approved by him personaly.

It's not blind the truth, in that way, before, gamedeveloppers came up with the idea and argumentation, that they could change anything in the game because you didn't actually bought that ship , but the right to play it. And in a courtroom the judges decided, no, virtual goods/ stuff must be treathed like real life goods / stuff. WG, and it's not the only company, really walks at every moment the line with what is legal acceptable and what not. And that's also a legal ground, if you have an argument, even for a courtroom, but you restore it in the situation before the argumentation, you are not guilty. In an example, you bought a ship, with these specifications, but then WG changes the things, that you wouldn't have bought that ship if you had knew this was coming. WG refunds you, then you can not complain anymore. How far can you go in that ? Only 5 games. And then the refund is over. So you bought a ship, (for example ) Atlanta, advertised as verry good AA, and years later, Wg changes the game, with the CV rework, you can't claim your refund as not fullphilling the promises (description) you bought that ship. WG is walking also the edge on that line. Legal it's possible to counter that, They may not sell you annything when they know they gonna change gamemechanics in the near future. It's not yet in definitive law, but they (not WG) working on it Another example; WG introduce submarines, and some ship really doesn't have any depthbombes to counter the subs. Somehow authorities gonna be able to force WG to give depthcharges to these ships also. Our argumentation; what is general, you buy a ship to play by your own and not be depended from your teammates to be able to counter the opponent. Some ships are not good against some type of opponents, no problem with that. But really having nothing to counter the opponents is more then 2 times over the red line.

The relevant case is; We won and 'lootboxes' like from WG are not allowed in Belgium. This is totally relevant seen the around 30 + CC's that stepped out of the CCTP from WG, for them it was just these issue's that they have made their decision on. They have to start to achieve that in their country 'lootboxes' and 'massive paywall's ' end up in dust. For me personally; LWM and chobi ( or whatever his/ her nickname is) has to win , because that's about intellectual property. And they can win easely on legal grounds, but not yet on geographic grounds. These 2 need lawyers in their country ( Canada) that would step up for them (even with a crowdfunding system for example) and then cover the geographic distance to WG. Both can do nothing for the moment, even they have the legal intelectual property rights about a ship WG is gonna relaese in 2022 anyway. Without respecting the legal intellectual property rights what these 2 really owns. That bothers me as a lawyer. For me, that's the respect they deserve. @ mtm78 You only give example's about the gameplay, like subs shouldn't be implemented. That's gameplay, and WG own the rights to do that, even you like or dislike it. In the numbers WG give out themselves, your voice is only 1 of the 140 millions out there. You really have to be able to shout really loud to sound like you have a 140 milllions decibel sound voice.

no it isn't what you tell. I'm not against the CC's or even ex- CC's. But to answer you as a lawyer, yes I also wish to win when I start a case. And then your profession also tells you how high or low your changes are. And when you had that many cases under your belt, like me and others and could win also against for example WG that 'lootboxes' not gonna be allowed in Belgium , then you know what to do. It's also called experience, you know from the start what cases you can win and what cases you gonna loose, no matter what you put into it. Its also reality fact. it's not a walk in the park, and that counts for every cases, you need the judges to 'have on your side' (its an expression, it means, you must have the one that judge to see and agree with your point of view and regulations and law and etcetera). You followed the stream from yesterday ? Can you look it up if you didn't saw it and recorded it ? Check what the twins sayed about all the topics they handled in that stream, (they are not even the lawyers for WG) and try to give decent answers , that in a second thought of yourself to correct you, better formulate it and so , in a coutroom where both sides get equal rights to start. Try for yourself if you can tackle all the answers the twins provide in that stream. You gonna end up that you have to admit that some answers / explanations they gave, you can't tackle. And that's not even the 'real ' legal fight in a courtroom.