LazyTim

Idk how 40k is considered "well" in a tier 7 ship. The average is higher then the fact, because of occasional games where everything goes right, but those games are a lie of their own kind. And even otherwise, 60k is a result for tier 6 ship, not tier 7. Also all your wins are not all your personal doing. There are plenty of games that were won through my team alone, with me just being an experience pinata for enemy team becaue my guns can't land a hit even at decent ranges. As for theories I state, I craft them from my personal experience. When I say my guns miss at 4km ranges, they literately do. When I say that my torps are worthless because not a single enemy is charging me ever, even when I should be an easy grabbing for them, I mean it. When I say that I frequently run into situation where 4 ships can not harm the squadron attacking them before it's late, I mean it. So yeah, they may sound like I have no idea what I am saying, but it's just how things are where I play. I agree, but there's a point when you want to grind towards the next ship. And this one can barely score 1.2k experience on a win. I didn't have that problem with pretty much any other ship I played, except some very low tier ones.

You know, there's something really funny that I noticed after vieving through the data of all who replied on my comment. First, none of you do significantly better then me on average, yet all of you tell me that you are much better at the ship then me. Second, all of you do on average better at your other tier 7 BBs, despite saying that Gneisanau is one of the, if not the greatest tier 7 BB. How do you explain that statistic and that logic?

Probably, but when you get hit by one salvo and set on fire in 2 places most of the time... makes you start to wonder how true the numbers of tier based resistance are.

I am sorry, but it's like we're talking about 2 completely different ships. I would love to see the Gneisanau in the full glory that you describe to me, I would love to learn how to make it consistently good if there's such a way, but so far, after over a hundred games that I played in it while grinding, it is consistently what I described it on my end.

So, let me add my coin to this conversation. The ship is bad at the very least, compared to any other tier 7 BB. Yes, you can make thing work if you put crap tonn of effort into mastering each and every detail of the ship, but if you put the same effort into any other ship in the game, if you have the same amount of luck and all things you will do by far much better in them then in Gneisanau. Just because you can get good with the ship to get average results doesn't make it balanced. Its secondaries have a suicidal range, so you can't even make them your main damage source. It can't push against anything that has a smoke. It can't defend from range against anything unless it's consistently lucky. It can't take damage very well, that belt armor is nice, but you have to try hard in order to land a shot on it, and literately everywhere else on the ship is taking damage like there's no tomorrow. The ship burns like it was covered in gasoline. And even if you play such a sick game that you get 5 billion potential damage and even survive the battle, you get absolutely nothing out of that in credits or experience. At most you maybe get a win, which is not even guaranteed. Torps on the ship are a gimmick at the most, the literal thing that you need to render them irrelevant is to not charge like an idiot. This ship is in desperate need of some reliable source of experience and credits. Because while being epic at surviving is all nice, you don't earn a thing from it, and you gotta grind 135k xp for the next ship in line. People flame Izumo for being a stinker, but at the very least Izumo can do damage. The amount of luck and planning you need to put into your game in order to just be relevant is insane. So yeah. Buff the accuracy. Buff the fire chance on HE and/or secondaries. Buff the range on the secondaries so it caps at the same as Bismarck, at least that makes your going forward less suicidal and slightly more relevant. Give it hydro so you don't look like a complete idiot when some "professional" DD player sneaks to 6km from you, then just presses one key and waits for you to either forget about all the things you were planning and leave, while taking crap load of damage in the process, or eat full broadside of torpedoes if you try to continue on your way and die. Give it at least one of those things, for Gods sake. Yes, you can get great games with the ship, but you need enemy team to be dumb to let you, your team to be slightly less dumb to not die, but also not take all the damage in the process, LUCK OF THE GODS so your shots don't miss a full broadside at f**king 4km range. And trust me you'll do much better with any other ship with all those things at hand.