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I have everything but the West Virginia. So, I'm hoping for the West Virginia

The thing that annoys about the glad is the tiny superstructure that is so well hidden whenbow on.

Well I do the same in my other battleships. I don’t expect to get away with showing broadside in any battleship at close range. The Massa is a very strong ship and is close to top of the stats. The tanky Tirpitz is at the bottom and has been there forever. It is clear that the Germans are better armoured but the offensive tools brought by the Massachusetts more than make up for that.

Well you bait them to fire when you are around 30 degrees and continue the turn. At tier 8 that’s fairly safe. You only have to get from 30 degrees to 60 degrees. its fairly safe but not full proof of course!

I might mean something different to you when I say brawl. With these secondary ships the main aim is to keep the enemy within their range as long as possible. I agree that on these flybys the Bismarck will receive perhaps 20k while the Massa could take 50k. I use the Massa great turning circle to turn out if the enemy is trying to do that. then kite while the secondaries go to work.

I’m puzzled that it’s 10k higher than the Lenin.

I'm having a bit of trouble getting my kremlin to work well. I enjoy a brawling battleship and do well in the Massachusetts and GK. The Kremlin at close range feels so bulky and without secondaries and hydro is very vulnerable. At close range it overpens cruiser citadels regularly. I feel at close range I would prefer GKs guns. How do you play it? What range? Thank you.

I don’t turn my GK broadside. Nothing overpens on a GK! I’m playing more like a Moskva at the start now. Instead of sneaking around islands I’m staying open water to tank for the team. Thanks all for the input.

All true of course. IFHE spam is so prevalent in high tiers and against that Massachusetts armour is better than the everything you mention but the Germans and Russians (equal with Roma). I suppose I don't view them as 'squishy' as I feel all battleships should be punished when they show broadside. However, you are right that the Americans do take citadels very reliably.

The Massa has the same hull as the Alabama. It's not squishy. I would fully expect the Bismarck to win in a close in brawl as it's secondaries would deal direct damage while the Massa's would shatter on anything but superstructure. The Massa can be citadeled at close range while the Bismarck is very unlikely to be. The Massas advantage is in the majority of the game when it's not in a close range battleship brawl. In this situation it's guns are far more usable than the Bismarck and the manoeuvrability of the Massa is very useful. Its secondaries are very accurate and can do a lot of damage to destroyers. Massachusetts dispersion Ellipse is 40% smaller than the Bismarck. The Bismarck’s secondaries will miss a lot more. Massachusetts can also overmatch 27mm armour found on many high tier cruisers. Finally Massachusetts has been near the top of all T8 battleships for a very long time. The Massachusetts is the better ship.

Fires the great equaliser. Good job!

The viability of secondary build is wholly reliant on getting close to the enemy. Try any of the Germans with IFHE against french or British battleships they penetrate everywhere with 540,000 DPM. Secondary builds are however fun build. It can be very effective but it requires lots of points as well as a play style change. Pushing in a GK melting the bow on Yamato in front of you with secondaries while citadeling the Minotaur to your port is very fun.

IFHE in French secondaries only allows penetration of DDs and battleship superstructure. Not worth it

I'm a little unconvinced by semi secondary builds I do run my french ships without the secondary module but with manual secondaries and AFT. If it wasn't or the Republique I would forgo manual secondaries as the 100mm are only good for setting fires so are worth it only against battleships in my opinion. However, AFT with secondary modules yields a range of about 9km on the Jean bart, Alsace and Richelieu. They are rarely used in battle so 8 points are wasted. Republique has a little over 10km which is far more useful. It's very hard to justify the secondary module on these ships due to their armour profile, not good for brawling. I do think if you aren't going all in for secondary builds the benefit is too small to warrant the points spent for manual secondaries. So my GK Tirpitz and Bismark are all in: Secondary module PT AR BFT (probably should be superintendent) AFT Man Sec IFHE 11.3/11.6km range All my secondaries pen 32mm and are really quite effective. It is the norm to get more secondary/fire damage than main gun damage. For Massa/Georgia: Secondary module PT AR DE and SI AFT Manual Sec 11.3km range IFHE makes it a beast against tier 7 battleships but is useless against T8+ Jean bart: Aiming module PT and Reload AR DE SI AFT CE 9.3?km range secondaries My point regarding removal of the manual secondary skill would be if all secondary accuracy was buffed and it was geared toward game balance.

I'm surprised Tirpitz still attracts so many poor players. I am surprised anyone would pick it over the Massachusetts. I might take mine out soon but I'm far to scared of CVs in it.

There’s a Yuro video where he takes his Tirpitz into smoke and torps both DDs in there. Maybe they all watched that.

Mountbatten thinks this ship would be weak even at tier 4.

Massachusetts has the same 1.0 sigma on her secondaries but 40% reduced dispersion. The manual secondary skill gives 60% reduced dispersion. Better accuracy would be great but the Massachusetts with manual secondaries is beastly toward DDs so I think we'd have to think about that balance. I had in mind the secondary module. It's hard to pick 20% secondary accuracy and range against 7% main battery accuracy. I only have that on my GK Bismarck and Tirpitz. The Americans do not have an aiming module in that slot so suffer less when specced for secodnaries. I would like the secondary module to be say 30% range with 40% smaller dispersion elipse. With that they could remove the manual secondary skill possibly

True. The armour changes are very difficult to deal with. I used to say that we might regret any matchmaking changes that effected this.

I might try that with mine. I find it so hard to use those torps. Who gives such good torps to a back line cruiser? MIght be more interesting with double rudder.

IFHE secondary? I really enjoy those but having no concealment expert changes your playstyle.

Hmm So will Wargaming change the ship and refund and those who bought it or leave it as it is. The current stats(1.80 sigma) look better.

Nelson is very good for a tier 7 I’ve had nearly 2 million in it. I haven’t got any confirmation on this but I seemed to earnalot more in ranked. Of course Missouri is best but you’ll need to buy a lot of Christmas containers!

Massa is extremely strong. In ranked I killed many destroyers with secondaries and accurate, in spite of 1.70 sigma, guns. Fast heal cements it as the strongest tier 8 in my opinion.

Send it to Wargaming. This was clearly intentional. They might investigate.