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I bet you will have a heart attack when I show up in a KGV...

Yes I never seen them drop them very far. They just go 'overboard'. Watch though, they DO leave a whole trail of those things behind them, so if you CHASE AFTER them, well, you better not... Also, they are A LOT more powerful in the 'hard' mode, the ones from the ballistas too. Must say WG did a good job with those DDs, they charge in and drop depth charges on you. Just as real DDs did, very well done.

Launch torps, then dive, slow down to 1/4 speed, and press E or Q twice, maximum turn. Then open the throttle again. What they do is drop depth charges, but they do not throw them very far. The charges from catapults have 'large dispersion'.

Yesterday I had such a division with a Graf Zepp. But the Zepp got careless and went too close (also first thing I put in chat: detect him...so our CV found him), after that a DD kept him spotted, and DD & me killed the Zepp. He did put an AP bomb on my Monarch but I did more damage to him than he did to me (LOL). Disappointment: while his dive-bombers went down on me, no Yericho Horns. Bah. Humbug! We lost though, but it was a close call.

Yes a business keeps on selling, and as well they should, else they're out of business soon. Steel is very rare, so they just make it (much?) more expensive than coal or dubloons. Having A BIT of it might make rich P2W players think about buying in. So what? They'll get there anyway, someday they'll potato their way into a steel ship. Might as well make some money off 'em so they keep the game F2P for the rest.

I would like to see something like a mix of 'Operations' and PvP. Mainly because I'm quite bored with the 'caps'. They could make them into a harbour (with pillboxes that shoot at the other party) or islands with airstrips, or something. That way, not only DDs would cap but other ships too as they'd need some defense against the 'enemy cap'. And you'd have to choose, kill all the pillboxes or the airstrip and take it or leave it intact. But there's other ideas as well. For instance you have a convoy that is moving, first you have to take possession of that convoy. Sort of, capping - but this time the cap would be moving (following the #1 ship that takes it) and not sitting between islands. That mission would end when the convoy reaches 'safe point' (could be a harbour, with mega-forts shooting at the enemy). Also, this would be funny in two ways: when you HAVE IT then you need to protect it. When you DO NOT have it you can either try to steal it or make it so the reds end up with zero points. Once they have this kind of stuff WG could make variations on the theme, like: - the harbour belonging to reds, convoy to blue and then you'd have to take over the other one; - then with that option, make it 16 vs 8 or something. Would be funny. Especially when they add subs and CVs. - they could use this too if they think there's too many BBS or whatever in the waiting line, or promote some line. as in, make it 'only for DDs and cruisers' so they either get played more or get taken out of the other waiting line. For instance, if (after the CV rework) you get 5CVs per game, they make the convoy thing 'CV only' and reduce numbers that way. Or cap that to 2xBB and only DDs or whatever.

Well I hit about 99% but 75% of that was mountain... nah it's bad but everybody says that, I think it's not THAT bad. At least I manage 1-2 shells at 18km distance on a moving cruiser, I do not expect any better. Under 10k it performs fine but that's not happening in a Tier X match. Really the Monarch is not such a good ship for shooting, most of them are better (at least the ones I tried) even KGV. It's not just RNG, the positioning of the guns is not really handy, when you shoot at a ship that is bow-in you hit one shell and miss two. If that was a real ship the gunnery factory would probably face a court martial. That front gun, one goes straight and the other two will go off a mile. It's not bad for broadsiding Tirpitzes though. You can afford to aim off by half a mile and still get a good citadel. Ah well, in Hood I'd have gotten two... can't have it all.

Why practise the aiming? I sort of hit everything I was aiming for. Wasn't much to shoot at though, they were all hiding. And when they came out, well, lots of the others were faster than me. So they got to the feast first. STill took almost 13 minutes to kill 'em all.

Allrighty.... here's sort of what I do in a tier X game. Now I know this map a little a bit. Usually the whole lot goes hide behind a mountain. So I guessed that was probably the best, acting like a fat oversize cruiser, but I wasn't gonna leave our DD totally alone. Sure enough, first a red DD, then there came a Jean Bart, and I gave him some holes (not much though) and then took cover. Our DM and some other HE spammer were on same side too and no more came, so they took care of him. Went to have a look on the other side, saw some HE-cruisers hiding, one of them not careful enough... BOOM BOOM... no cigar. Then the DD spotted me, of course he fires torps, but hey, I do have reverse.... no luck for him, heheh. Then it all breaks loose, I shoot a few cruisers full of holes, and of course there is a broadsiding Tirpitz in there as well. BTW - man a Hindenburg is tough, or maybe I just can't shoot straight? Hot damn. I'd rather smack Tirpitzes. Maybe should have used IFHE on him? Will try that next time, I'm a bit disappointed (it's a win though and I'm not even last or dead). Tip paid off: they can't penetrate my bow (Hindy kept shooting AP LMAO). Thanks @DFens_666 HOW CAN I DO BETTER? 20181119_211008_PBSB108-Monarch_37_Ridge ---.wowsreplay

I just instakilled an Icarus, shot HE into smoke with Monarch. Used the location of him firing, salvo per turret with light spread. BoomBoomBoom. Also I shot a Kutuzov that was broadside behind an island at 18km, firing HE at our DD. 2 citadels, and then some. DD finished him after that. That Monarch dispersion is not that bad in such cases. The dispersion actually helps, sort of. Nice pepper pattern.

Well, in this case, I wanted to rotate the ship behind the island, so I tried to rotate the guns ahead. But if I had known SHIFT X, and just locked the guns on bearing, the rear guns would have rotated fine, the front ones would have gone waaayyy port first, and after that would have to rotate the whole lot startboard again.

----> explains why it didn't come with my Russian black market rip-off version....

That deserves a sticky, IMO.

Did calculate something like that. Plus assorted bows and rear ends of BBS in higher tier, but not sure of that. On KGV I x considered it "worth it", since I found the thing impossible to play otherwise. On Monarch, well, not that much. On Zao player and a Fiji captain found out though and it WOULD have been worth it if I could have a pic of their faces. The salt in chat was nice though. Accuracy is just RNG and depends how many goats you offered.... Any more than 10k and it could work FOR you or AGAINST you. But what I consider, of the list above, there's not much that cannot be done by AP anyway except at extreme angles. Yes, much less useful on Monarch. But it depends on what you meet. If I tend to meet lots of RN CLs, Seattles and Zaos it might come in very handy (citadel Zao at any angle, yes?)... Hmmm... For now it stays anyway since I haven't got enough cpt XP and/or dubloons for a re-spec. The CE discussion is a nice one: suppose I got a Conqueror, detection range 15.5 minus 14.4%, then minus 3% (camo), I'd end up with 12.8km. Ok so then what, I approach a cruiser to 12.7k, and shoot him. After that, I stay detected for 20 secs. Could do that to a Des Moines, in theory I could even shoot from 13.6km. So I'd get away undetected... if I killed him in one shot. But would I? Or would I be detected, stop firing but get detected again and again and burn to a crisp? I'd still be detected by the Zao - has 12,6 standard and no doubt they at least run a camo. Would not detect it before it detected me. Can I one-shot it? How about his friends? I can see the use in 'cloaking up'. But I have no problems with that right now, either. Then I just shoot from 15k - my buddies will detect him for me, or if he fires, I will do so myself. It can even lead to problems. I get the 'detected' warning now very soon, when a DD is near. At least I can take countermeasure when he is at 10k... and he will ALWAYS see me before I see him. So, I do not really see the 'big' advantage. I'd take AFT and some other stuff I guess. But by that time he'll be a 19pt captain so we'll see. Sure, but if I was in the green circle, and enemies got to B and C, only the DD at C would tell me. Nobody was going to B (or maybe I missed it...). Since it makes sense to go to that green circle, it also does so for the enemy. Therefore, not only does it offer the best shooting option, it also offers the best 'shoot me' option. Remember - I saw my team leaving for A and C.... nov body spotting B and I have no idea who goes there. Might meet half the enemy team. Good ones. The last ones I better not try, I'm not that confident in this boat (would do it in Hood though). I'm not sure if my shots would clear the islands. Noted. I think the US BBs are though. Especially New York. Probably it was a mistake to go after that DD. Might have been better if I had waited indeed. Yes but you can never know which one is the bigger potato. I'll remember that. BTW I always swing around, and always take the 'reduce rudder shift time' thing. I loved Queen E. I think I;d do better in QE than in KGV (in fact I know, as we have done a few 'fail divisions' and sometimes ended up T9). Monarch is much more speedy. Also a bit more manoeuvrable. The guns are stronger (a bit) but also more 'derp' (a lot). I use AP mostly. I think too. Must work on that. Could have been 80k easy then, maybe 100. Still a loss though.

I'll inform the goat farm I'm extending my subscription to their produce... So far, I'm finding the Bone-Argh a better one than King Grog the Filth. Certainly not a keeper though. I do use right-click, a lot... In this case, I was in doubt if I wanted to get back, but made full circle when I saw our Lyon. I know there are also specific keys to lock the guns to a sector, but I dunno which ones. I'll probably find out at an inconvenient moment (not being able to turn the guns...LOL).

Yours was good too, if somewhat short. Though he explained it better and went more into details.

Actually I can get the Phoenix with just the rear guns or just the front pair (which I did)... were you there when I one-shotted the T4 BB? Whammo. Instakill. Hood < 10km is really great. Too bad never managed to get that CV King before he even left the harbour, that was disappointing. Better next time though. In this case I was expecting the Graf Spee to either chase after me or get to the other side of the island. Anyway to give me a broadside if I pulled a stunt. I should learn the maps a bit better. Also, sometimes I get new ones as I am now having my first T8 ship. In older maps like Twin Brothers and such That is indeed what I do. Normally I wouldn't have. Just that poor DD, doing the sensible thing (C) and nobody covering him. I'm not much worried about AA, on Monarch it is Ok compared to other ships (and use WASD hax). It has a fat heal too (I use the premium, got 150 of them). Also, most CVs are duds and if it's a good one you're dead anyway if he wants it. So CVs I treat rather 'fatalistic'. If I can, I stay close to other ships though (combined AA throws off torp aim). Yeah would have been better. It would have left the DD without cover though. Most times when I use it is in the beginning of the game, to shoot at campers. But then they must be detected. Usually I use it to the fullest, if lucky I start a perma-fire or devstrike a hiding cruiser. yeah does. Or it tells me: we're good, we killed everything this side of the map. And then you get surprised by a hidden camper that shoots you in half. Note to self: always press tab and see if there's one 'missing'... Yeah, I'd seen that - after the Lyon died, basically that was it. If a fat BB hd been near I'd have rammed him LOL. I know, but could I have scored more dmg?

I do too, but it's on there since King George the Filth. Served me well in that. Also I think pens have more firechance than shatters, somehow. Will probably go CE or AFT when I have the points for a cappy re-spec.

Yes, i saw they moved off to A - but that was 1. too far away and 2. who goed to that afterthought cap, when you are there you are stuck. The green ring would indeed be the prefered position, but nobody went B... and nobody covered the poor DD to C. This IS the kind of analysis I was looking for though. The 1.5 minutes indeed took too long. I was a bit 'in limbo' there. That's a good point. What about, if nobody goes B? And would it (well, obviously as he was a potato, now we knoe...) be advisable to let the DD go alone? Yes, it is something I have to learn. Might mean that is why I do too little damage. That was the Maass, not the Mahan. I saw him going up north when I saw the Lyon. I knew it was wasted then, sort of a facepalm moment. Basically I was turning to 1. see what the Spee would do (maybe surprise him) 2. getting back to B as C was, well, lost, basically. And 3. I wasn't sure where the rest of the reds was - turned out, they were coming to A. Duh. Good point, crossfire. I was thinking joining up with the Lyon would give some air-protection (combined AA) as I supposed that's where the planes would go. They did get the Lyon, well, as far as I could gather. Although he blamed me for his two fires (ROFL). Yep. Didn't know where to shoot next. Also, I do not know exactly how to prevent it.... except by locking on, but the DD was no longer spotting the Spee. I did turn the turrets because I wanted to get to B, then decided well maybe follow our Lyon, cap A and make the most of it. Remnant of KGV I guess. That one, you're better off showing broadside than nose. Note to self: must learn more about Monarch armour. Didn't know that. Also a remnant of KGV, I guess. Also I can hurt most other BBs pretty bad shooting IFHE on the nose. The problem of meeting a Lyon is he has so many guns he can't miss. Usually I try this trick, and usually the go broadside to get more guns on target. They think the Monarch will not shoot AP... but this one will... Also I get somewhat careless when I see the game is sort of thrown and I'm almost full health. Thanks!

Reading a different topic, I realised there's one forumite I have seen a few times - @piet11111 next time I'll say hi.

Oh don;t you hate it and LOL at the same time when that happens. There's just one thing that makes me LOL even more. Yesterday I had one of those spammers, he had positioned behind an island, and was shooting to his hearts content. I was aware of where he was though... even though he went undetected, I thought he never moved, as he was still shooting. ...so I lined up the AP really carefully... was in Colorado... then 4 turrets single-fire... DEAD! Hahaha! Man the salt, hax-accusations et cetera in chat... LOLLLLL! Might be the case. I could be too careful. But i did study the replays where I got mega-damage. Usually it is when I am with a bunch of others, they all die and I get to clean up the leftovers. 4 kills, 100k+ damage. Nice. But mostly a loss. Most of the time when I get low damage (well, 60k or so) it is when I am the one half-killing lots of ships, and THEY do the mopping up. Sometimes it's just a total fail and we get roflstomped but I guess that happens every now and then to everybody. Yes it is. I'll upload more replays and see what you guys think. This one is just 'could I have gained more XP', because that game was just crap. I scored 60k, but that's average, and ended up top of the pile of a losing team. If the game had lasted longer I'd have got more, but well. I just wonder if I could have done better. Maybe you guys can think of something, because I can't. Doubting moments: - should I have gone B/C anyway and not followed the DD? - should I have gone straight and not turned behind the island? - should I have gone straight AFTER the turn and not made circle to join the Lyon? - should I have gone in FRONT of the Lyon and tanked? Thanks! Hahaha yes that was fun eh. BOOM one, BOOM two, BOOM three... make 'em count in Hood, haven't got that many guns. You did better though (didn't go submarining). Then again operations is like shooting at the fairground. When I know sort of where they go I can hit them pretty good. Can do too in randoms, just where THEY go sometimes doesn't make sense at all. As in: he must have seen those torps. So he surely won't go.... so I shoot... and then he goes straight into the torps anyway. Meh. Must say this Monarch is worse shooting than Hood. And Queen E plus Arizona (most US BB actually) are rather better than Hood. But the shooting is not the problem, it is a more general thing. I usually stay and watch until the end. But you can never be sure if the guy you're watching is actually any good or just lucky, or the reds that stupid. Oh yeah I can do some of the stuff he does. Once. And then after that I die, and he lives and just kills the next one, somehow. Mastered some tricks though, like shooting while turning, and shooting one-by-one turret, which helps.

Might be. I am hoarding dubloons and the cpt XP, the last will come when I get 19pt captains. Also (WOWS wiki): On occasion — such as Christmas or other holidays — redistribution is sometimes free of charge for a limited period of time. Clan Battleparticipants have been enjoying one week of free redistribution at the beginning and one the end of Clan Battle seasons. Yeah, that's the point when the 'team decides'(or rather: when the potatoes appear to flow to) A and C instead of AB or BC. Because what happens, if you stay too much near C, well, then you stay near the enemy. I planned on doing a 'cover the DD run' (since nobody else was) to A, then return to B, and only when I saw the Lyon & the mess at B decided to go for C. Good call. I did hide behind the island (was expecting the Graf Spee to come closer). The DD was dead, meanwhile. It will also pen angled bows that KGV otherwise would not, which makes a difference. Hard to calculate though but the effect is noticeable. The AP on KGV is fine for citadelling broadside cruisers. Never had more than 2 fires so far (just had 3 on Colorado, yesterday) so I do not regard FP as much of a bonus (so far). CE I have on most cruisers, before IFHE indeed. But 14% on 14.6 km = down to 12.55 km maybe worthwhile but well, usually I operate at ~15km (with -3% camo) - or I go in full blast in which case it is useless anyway.

I do that, just the re-spec is what we're talking about. Thanks, but I think I have most of that. Usually I do not die too quickly. Also I know what side to take (learned that from slooowww US BBs), eh well, it's always a guess which side has the most potatoes though. I have the dual spotter plane (usually one gets shot down, that's why)... and the extra quick cooldown to use them more. When re-speccing captain I'll probably get the CE instead of IFHE. Though I'll probably get something else (AFT) before I get CE, as I have no problems with that now anyway (lots of islands...). That's a given. I now have started to think ahead for where I can hide... I have ~10k concealment, so I try to get no further than that unless I have to (chasing DDs). If I get detected I start changing course and speed. Not often that I eat torps. I do have a tendency to seek the DD though and do the torpedo dance (imitate a cruiser). Yes pop the planes, load HE and shoot him. I like DD hunt but will only do so if usefull and/or quick and swift. I always use camo, but usually I have the AP loaded. It's quite good really. HE at angled ships and DDs, by the book for once. HE mostly in KGV though but it is so far the only one, except cruisers, where I used it lots. Yes somehow it is less accurate than QE, Hood or even KGV. Weird. It has same guns as Hood and QE but with more dmg and shell velocity, should be better. I never camped in the back. That may be a problem. Probably I have to learn when to camp. Note: that is exactly why I put IFHE on the KGV. Still works. It does though, but depending on the enemy. On BBs usually you're bettr off shooting AP, unless they stay angled. When shooting cruisers I see not much difference (maybe it is the IFHE? every hit = pen, 6300 dmg). The main problem, as usual, is burning down to a crisp. Or meeting a player in a German BB that has half a brain. Or a player in a Yamato, Musashi or something big fat tierX that is not too lazy to change to AP, move his butt, blap a poor T8 BB. Most of them aren't, once parked theystay parked and fire only 1 direction, so can be farmed from safe distance. Or they (looking at you, broadside German boats) think they are invulnerable to AP or think maybe Monarch doesn't have any. I'm probably not understanding that yet, but I'll try to learn. Thanks!

I have once killed a Des Moines in my Bone-Argh. He was putting me on fire and I was too close (sort of ran into him unexpectedly), so I raced right on and hid behind an island. Then he was dumb enough to chase me, but I had pulled the brake (Notser-move), loaded the Ap and shot him dead when he came around the island. When in the open though you have little chance, you can't run away (he is faster) and he will burn you to a crisp before you can kill him. And yes you have friends but so has he. He will toast you pretty quick, before you can reprint I guess, but you can also almost one-shot him. In the end it is a matter of luck, but also of smart thinking.

Very handy, thanks. I sort of agree with most. I agree it is useless on most, never had it before KGV and the puny guns that can't penetrate anything. Fire Prevention is a skill I think is BS, never had more than two anyway, only had three on the Colorado, just once. Unless Lion and Monarch burn better... I'd probably pick AFT and CE. CE not being much use if I keep playing like I do (that is: damn close). Must be me being dumb, he is on the Hood often enough, but I never noticed the re-spec being for free. Can be used to retrain for a new ship, yes. But... Re-spec, how? I don't see it. Please tell. So, the problem is I need to learn when to camp... bah. I do not like camping. Maybe I can stand it if I call it 'excersize area control'. Indeed I see many Yamatoes (or that free XP one, Sashimi or what) camping. I always put a few holes in them (or fires on them) before making REALLY sure he can't hit me. KGV had crap AP, could hardly citadel a lower-tier cruiser. It did have arsonist HE though. Monarch has good AP (bu it better than QE or Hood, but hey, tier 8...), the HE is mediocre. I only have 1 regular divmate, we do the same sort of thing, using the RN BBs as fat cruisers. One stage less, so to speak. I do get the idea. We try to play that way too when we have 3 in a division. But I guess we need to be less potato, although usually it works OK. We have better scores with 2x (or 3x) BB though, using 'the steamroller'. Sailing in '2-3km separate' battle line, very effective. Also good against CVs (I have Arizona). Works very well if you have fast BBs, but go at half-speed. Then you can accelerate if needed. All fire at same ship untill it is dead, then next one. Yeah that is called confirmation bias. But it's not that. I played KGV long enough, the difference was noticeable immediately. Even the reds noticed it, plenty salt in chat. I let my div-mate (happens to be my son... LOL) play it too, and he said it was amazing. Maybe you should try (if that free re-spec is somehow working).