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No offence taken, but this is what I mean. Also will explain better what I mean by "plenty good enough". Does this ever happen to you? Man and it is only friday night. Not even full-on weekend. I'm not saying I'm GOOD. But at least I'm savvy which is "plenty good enough" IMO. Quite sure too that if that Amagi had pulled the trigger sooner I'd have lived, and wrenched some more out of that New Mexico, for example. Hard to see where I could have carried... kill them all? OK if I had lived... maybe the New Mex... 100K game.

if you're good already. And you have 60-70% WR in solo, so... I can get 70% too, in divs - on ships that I like. But not on most of them. Also - "plenty good" I am also sure I'll stick at T6/7, maybe 8, and that will be plenty for me. I'd imagine he is better than a b0t... oh wait... Yes, I'll go to gulag. Well, I already AM adjusting expectations to my own level. I win ~50% when solo, or thereabouts. How do I know I'm plenty good enough then? Easy. If I end higher up than my red counterpart, I did better. No matter XP or win/lose. If their CV ends 3rd last and I end 2nd top, guess. I'm good enough, in some ships. Not in most ships... and some I am completely potato. Yes when I end last in the team I realise that it didn't go very well... If you don't play weekends... well... you have to see it to believe it. Let's take Ark Royal - I like that. What's my WR, in that ship I like and I know how to play... well: 3-div: 70% 2-div: 57% solo: 48% or sort of thereabout. Will vary after each weekend. I know I'm no unicum at all. That is why I do not expect even a 3-man-div to win, unless they are VERY good. Plenty good enough will not do to get that unicum WR (and yes I know it). You will still need at least some sort of team. I do not expect it. Divs, yes better WR but they aren't the magical solution. EH. Maybe look at it a different way: what would you think a 35%WR division would accomplish. I've seen those. Lots of them... And then think what happens when they meet a div of 3 similar dudes like me. BTW: The fact that YOU do not have 100% WR in div is more earthshocking really. Only 10% better than your solo... Oh wait it must have been Excavatus... yup that must be it... hahahaha! Do you play weekends? I'd say you're damn great if you manage that WR over weekends, too. I don't even need the right setup... we can do 70%WR with 3 "plenty good enough" players, in the weekends even. The thing is, can you stop a ROFLSTOMP. I think you can't. Unless you are 70% solo, and 90% in div. I think we agree, of sorts. Mind I'm not saying I'm GOOD. Just plenty good enough. I'll handle my own and not do stupid stuff (well, usually). The way I tell is by looking at battle results. If I end up higher than (for example) the other CV, I've done OK. And is it enjoyable? Wel... depends if you like salt and have a weird sense of humor... But I'd rather lose a 20 minute close fight than win a 5 minute ROFLSTOMP.

I think it gets pretty stale quickly, one Hakuryu and six Balanzgradz. Was gonna grind me a Balanzgrad but I haven't even signed up for CB at our clan. That's how stale.

Well I have. And I'm sure others have, too. ROFLSTOMPS happen either way. Even at tier 10 (actually, the higher the tier the more chances of it). Means that you take Conqkek (or whatever T10) to battle, and you can't even cover service cost. AKA take a fat BB or a CV, game ends in 5 minute ROFLSTOMP, you win but have 25k damage... Well OK the DDs made a new record (whole red team yoloooo into torp alley).

My karma is also zero (or at least, <10) because I'm a CV-playing PLEB. Oh and have Smolly, too. However after a certain period, I got over the WR thing, and now I find it hilarious... Man the stuff you see happening... used to zap out of games when they got me, but... ...actually it is better than watching dumb&dumber or that kind of movies. Div up. It will help WR (not that much though) and you can share the salt.

Embrace the salt...

Yes that's it. But I already have seen a few, when in a BB they moan, and when they are in DD then CV is SkyC*ncer.

Well if we do it we see anything T5-T9. You do not need another faildiv I think, happens often enough (or maybe there are just plenty around). Could also be you can get a faildiv vs faildiv but the other one doesn't need to be CV+DD but can be BB+CA, or something. What we usually get is some T6/T7 and a few T8 and T9 ships. Unusual is when we get just us (T6+T7) and rest of them all T9. You can't, and the trick is not "good enough". I can do well over 100K in Ark Royal, and usually I am around 60-80K. That is all stuff considered, including fail-div and getting T9 (I'll still do 60-80K no problem). I'm plenty good enough. So are my teammates when I div up with them. And yes we usually end top-3 of the team. But... The reason my average for Ark Royal isn't 70k is the taters. Sometimes they are mine, and we lose with a ROFLSTOMP. Sometimes the taters are on the reds and they lose with a ROFLSTOMP. And I cannot make 60-80K in 5 minutes. Even when divving with my teammate DD we can't help it. And even with a clanmate 3-div, we can't help it. My WR is stuck ~50%, a bit better in Ryujo as that has AP-bombs and a bit more influence. And there is nothing that has so much influence as a CV. So, yes you can do "good" and increase WR, but only a bit. But even a very-good-3-man-div-with-CV can't stop ROFLSTOMP/throws happening.

I can state this is not true... as I often do a fail-div. You do get T9, as the highest tier determines, usually. It's around 5-10%. But I'm not complaining... I like a challenge. MM is not the determining factor though. It depends how many taters you have. Even if you have a 3-man-div, and you are top tier, you can't stop them throwing it. So, if they do, well they do.

Wutttt...!! You guys must be having severe bad luck. I play CV, and I end up in a double-CV game maybe 1 out of 50. And when I do, usually it is me in T6 CV ending up in a T8 game with a T8 CV. Which is crud, but the even more crud is that I'll often do better than the T8... But well, that's WG MM for ya, and it is bad for everyone it seems. BTW I often team up with a DD, and he has no problem surviving to the last... some tips: - Turn off the AA when not spotted by CV, then he has to come ~2.5km from you to spot; - Yeah sure he will attack... but he can not do it RIGHT AWAY. - He must turn to engage rockets. He turns? NOW you turn on the AA, and smoke up (if you can). - Of course you change direction... and then he has to find you again. Lately I have met lots of good DD players. They can be a nuisance, and sometimes they even manage to kill my CV. Or it takes me at least 5 (or more...) attacks to finally get them. Takes me more time to kill them than when I play BB or CL. And yes CV requires different defence/measures. I often see DDs whining though when they have their AA on (so It spot them from 5-7km or whatever their AA reaches). And then they smoke up, but they go too fast (and run out of their smoke) or stuff like that. And then I torpedo them... because they think they can't be hit by CV-torps, somehow. Not saying you're one of those. And absolutely, the Reeeework is crud in many many ways. However, most DD-players just refuse to adapt, same as other-ship-players. And that is not the CVs fault. One example, BBs/CLs crying "CV spot-kill that DD", yeah right. Like the CV always can or wants to. I've even caught them they cry the above, when they play BB/CL and next game they play DD and the CV is sky-c@ncer.

I run, kite and farm damage to make some credits.... Experienced weekend-player here... winrate.... what winrate?

Ah well, when you have a Smolly the whole red team hates you. I have one too but I don't use it often except when I get potato-rage and need to feast of their tears. Usually ends in gulag, when even Russian bias fails to protect you anymore against all of them shooting at you. I did manage to get two torps into that Benson though. He seemed immune to rockets.

Managed to keep that Asashio alive, barely... but he did his job. The reds capped two and we had one. So I went around back in the CV, as they sort of lemminged towards us. And then that Asashio (remember him...) that we kept alive, sneaked through at same moment I capped the furthest cap...LMAO. Then we just killed the whole lot of them (as I could now spot them and they had no idea where I went LOLOLOLOL). Crud score (40K or so)... but a win. Never managed to kill that Benson though, he kept running.

I have it, but the problem is sort of same as CV-test. Many subs, but the rest is 99% b0ts. The most fun is when I div up with a few mates in surface-ships. But it is a long wait to get a game, then. WG needs to makes some incentive for surface-ship players to get their bums in action.

Arizona is pretty nice. I'd not know what to do with Musashi though. IMO it is CV-food.

Does though, many times I blapped DDs with HE from a BB. I still hunt Shimas and Klebers in Conqueror, and such. They're fair game. Not hunting Darings because they can fire single-line. have been hunting DDs since New York, if they come too close or get cornered, they die.

Well that could be fixed. But hey. Many things can be fixed...

I kept chasing a sub in a BB... can't hit him at all when he is at 6.1 meters. It even has a text that says so. When above that, my secondaries got busy and then I also knew I could hit him. So I stayed close, he shot torps at me but they didn't arm/surface/hit, he was too close. In the end, my DD divmate got him.

Yes, I think one iteration before they had it just like that. When at periscope depth you could still shoot the sub, but less damage. I think before there is NO damage from either bombs (CV) or heavy shells (BB), there should be a BIG layer of water between sub/bombs-shells.

Missed the part where it says "leave homing torps for the higher tiers". The main thing is this depth thing though. It's stupid that at 5.9 m everything is possible, and at 6.1 m the sub is invulnerable and unspotted. That needs to go. AKA: When shot with big fat ammo at short distance, I am sure a sub would suffer if not at least 10 m beneath surface. Quite sure it can be replaced by a "depth-related-damage-thingy". If you shoot a sub at pint-blank range with 15inch AP, it should have some large holes in it. If you shoot it with 15inch AP from 50m... well... kinda sure it would be perforated.

WG @MrConway needs to get more of the other classes in. There are too many dumb b0ts in BBs and cruisers. All the subs rush B, so do most of the bots, and I just go A or C in a Cv, kill everything there and cap...

You're still doing it wrong, it allows THREE of them. I'll join up...

That's what I mean man. In T6 you'll be roflstomping too, that's why it's not valid. I can;t play DDs woth a damn but Leander is cool. I'm not that quick though, so 4/5 is a bit much for me. Maybe tomorrow team up 3CVs and see if we can kill them all? (oh damn and they don;t even give me my trusted Ark Royal...)

CV = KING

Sound to me like most of the test players wanted to know what it is like to get killed by subs. I can't play them, but my divvy likes them, he gets 5-6 kills per battle in whatever sub. He thinks they are hilarious. I think so too. Granted if you're kinda savvy... I play BBs, CL, CV and so far haven;t been killed by subs one. Too savvy, you say? Well I did get killed twice by B0TS.... I think about 90% of the test players has no idea. Should be a nice average then. I'm not doing any worse with the usual ships (New Mex, Queen E, Leander, Furious...) than usual. I can't play DDs worth a damn. But my divvy can and he thinks it's great. He enjoys it. Hey... and it's not like you WOULD NOT be stomping teams in T6 randoms mate. We both know you would... So that's not really a valid thing.