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True. That is why I said when they put CVs in Clan Battle: this is gonna be 1CV and six Klebbies or Stalins. Wasn't far off eh. The "balanz" WG has for CVs is that on average they do similar damage to a BB. But that doesn't mean balance, and they are still broken AF. I've seen a fix though: - give every DD some AA like those IKEA things; - give CVs a choice between rockets and depth charges (because I know they can't take them away form the premiums). - introduce subs (which they'll do anyway so that won't change anything either). TBH I find that "sub battle" huge fun. Some things should be changed but it has potential.

True. The only objection is I can't do anything with a BB when they are at this periscope level. Only depthcharges work. Shouldn't be, once they come above -10m or so they should suffer from heavy shells.

So far... LOL... haven't been killed by subs once. But every game has 4DDs, too. So BBs beware! Most fun is heavy cruiser with torps. And... those subs spot torps, even when under water. Looks like most DDs don't know...

Those never bothered me much... take Salem and exterminate the DDs. It is counter-playable and there are more solutions than one. You could still run other ships. This season, there is nothing much except 1x Haku and 3x Stalin/Venezia. But... yeah the one before that was pretty stale too.

This CB you could choose a BB or a CV, and the rest was upto the team. WG have "balanced" the average damage output from CV. But they are still broken AF. And then you can take them in teams that do not have 12, but 7 players. On a smaller map. What happened, one CV and six Stalingrads or Venezias is what you need to win now. There's teams that do not have that. Eh. No fun. And I think, even more unfair. And sure I play CVs, and BBs, and cruisers (not Dds because I suck). And I will play subs (and probably suck). But I think WG is rather like trans-athletes in sports... they do not see the obvious.

Meh, you might just as well say it discriminates the Tier 1, 2, 3... poor Tachibana.

..because they want a slow, camping gameplay, so they can sit at map border admiring the scenery - and that is why WG will give them subs?

Just whack them with CV mate you'll love it. I did like it on test server. And let's wait and see what WG does, maybe they have learned from Reeeework. One positive thing at least now they put it in separate mode. And they "invented" something to prevent people from just lining up in subs.

Yes they do. However... look at this: so, that is a sum of - team A=50% average, +27. - team B=50% average, -29... The average doesn't matter. It is the difference between "really good - really bad". A 48% player is certainly capable of being a nuisance to a 55% player. @ForlornSailor In this case, I think they'd better "fix it"indeed, just move a few players around. Not all of them. Not make it "all even". In this case, difference 27+29 = almost a (good 60%) player extra, in WR. I think you also don't like ROFLSTOMPS. I don't. There is no time to make any damage, not even if I'm on the winning side. The thing could be simple. In cases like this, there is ~60% too much on one side. Say move 6 players then - three bad (worst) ones to left, three "similar ships" (regardles of WR) to right. And it doesn't need to be all-equal or weighted, just prevent those ROFLSTOMPS. A bit.

Yeah that's more my idea of fun. I'd love to see some absolutely meme-stupid setups. Like, taking a certain ship for "bait" or something. I suppose that is same how WG came up with the idea of CV in CB in the first place....

I'm not saying I am any good myself (I have >50% in Arizona and Queen E though, which are the ones I used). And we can assume that everybody is fullpotato with subs anyway. Well I do that with Queen E and Arizona (even better, spotterplane) as well. One single hit means 6.300dmg on QE and you have 8, it is 5k dmag on Arizona but you have 12... As long as you are spotted anyway, and have the HE loaded, why not try? All skill no luck. (I hunt DDs with Conqkek as well, but that is more like "what can you do to me, hit a few torps on my nose, meh, BLAP you"....).

I had it on the test server, they surfaced within reach of the secudaries, got spotted (which is why secundaries activate), and then I blapped them using main guns...

That's kinda crud, chief. And it's a Premium as well. Not good...

Well that is the general idea really. Yes that's the thing really. When I played BB on the test server... I'd be the only one. Had to blap a few b0t cruisers first before I could tend to the subs. And what killed me usually was the actual players on the reds, in surface ships. That was the case on the test-server... you COULD pick a BB or CV or DD,howvere what you saw was 90% b0ts vs subs. But if (when...) they implement it, no doubt you can play co-op as well. I thought it more fun (on the test server too) to send subs to the bottom...

Dunno what tier that is. But I'd not have trouble spotting the enemy CV for you, I bet he is gonna send some planes over when you come after him...

No offence mate, I think you're a lot better than me. But it would not prove anything that wants to be proven. I already know that Haland is a mean SOB and I can't get it with rockets when 1vs1. FWIW I think more DDs should be like that, finally a challenge.

I'm quite savvy with CVs but by no means unicum. Good enough to outplay the average CV-player. As for most ships, including Halland, what you need to do is trick them into using DFAA. Which I usually try but it is not 1 vs 1 by a long shot - and I have no idea how good/smart those DD-players are. What I do is launch rockets on a CL or BB, then use the last remaining ones for Halland. And yes they'll get shot down, but I can waste a few. Then I return with something else. If the Halland isn't in easy reach, I go do something else, and will only provide spotting for the team. Let them take care of it. I do not want his scrawny DD XP for the trade in planes. If he is close or near my targets, I will try to trick him a few more times. And if he's damaged I'll try finish him off. I know HE eats into AA-guns. One vs one? Wouldn't know. Probably you are right. Would like to see though how that ends when playing vs a real good CV-player.

Well, if his team is back there indeed. I met good players in Halland, yes they are a pain in Haku. Maybe if I really really want to I can. Trick their DFAA, come back later. But then again, if he doesn't fall for it, he will be a problem. But usually I do not. Because: ... that is my preferred method. After all, that Halland is hunting THEM so maybe they should help a bit, eh. I'm just above average - not that good, will need "a few more" games with Haku before accepting such a challenge. But I'd like to see you vs somebody like @El2aZeR, not so sure about your chances then.

But... you can see him do it. So, then you don't turn? Thing is, you need 3 minutes to deal with a lone Halland. Now if he brings friends. Or takes cover between friends. OK maybe 6 minutes then, or 10. Could also be different. Because you are also alone. Now what if you brought friends. One minute? No, I have whacked Hallands before. It is just more difficult than with Midway. Thing is, CV vs lone Halland never happens much. I rarely take a DD down for 100%. What usually happens is I take 50% or so, and then my own DD gets him.

It does. 12 vs 12, well OK the CV can't whack 'em all. This CB means half the players. That is no good at all. I play a lot of CV but even I do not like it.

If it is all players now, and no b0ts - well then they used the right method. Because that looks more like randoms. I think: good trick. They didn't say that they'll put it i randoms after that. After a month, everybody will have a sub, my guess is they want to see what happens then. Maybe everybody lines up with subs. Then they know subs are too much fun. So what they do, they'll change it a bit and do another month?

Yeah but in the end the same thing might happen.

Well that's a rental IMO. And the thing is, you get screwed over nicely too. Similarities abound...

If you make it "18+" there are no such problems.

I know...