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I did the same on King Troll the Filth, yes worked. Was handy when meeting higher-tier cruisers. Hated the ship though. Mostly because you got penned by just about anything and everything. When I get the chance I'm gonna build me a 19pt RN troll captain. Oh wait... I have Jingles...

Hahaha well we went there two cruisers and a DD (DD Yolo's into cap, got finished off) and then we killed their DD and chased off two others. We had to hide behind islands because... well 3 BBs (we both got shot in half). And there comes that Massa, he was first hanging back, steamed right past... We went after him for a bit, shot the cruisers that were there as well and he kept full throttle. He met the two DDs that we chased off and the 3BBs we were hiding from. Yes he ate both DDs torpedoes... Never seen an Impero before, only noticed it was you quite late.

Well I don;t have it but if I see it I say ocrapocrapocrapocrapocrapocrapocrapocrapocrapocrapocrap......

Ha another Pastaboat! Well I hope it is better than Amalfi... It is possible for me to do 100k with it, but I need other ships to get straight in front and not move and not shoot back.

Just saw @rnat in his Impero (what the hell is that...) carrying my Pastacruiser the "B0t Amalfi". Got a bad karma from the Massachusets Player, who sort of yolo'd into two DDs and was yelling at everyone to help him. Yeah yeah mate I'm gonna protect you from a Derpits, and two more of those... don't think so. Amalfi no can do at 50% HP. But it's all OK as I have zero karma anyway hahahaha!

I think he means it removed all other ships except Stalin and Venezia...

Basically, yes. Shame though because they'd better fill the uneven tiers. Part of the problem is that CVs have to "still work" at 2 tiers up.

I guess we agree 100% there then, check: "But then take Ryujo. In 7 vs 7 it can delete 2 ships pretty quickly and that would mean sure win (as 7 vs 5 results)."

No, it was stating the obvious. It is 2 problems that are quite abundant really. At least in my experience half the DDs yolo-rush and die, half the BBs go bordersurfing and half the cruisers hide behind islands. Mind that is NOT a Dd that goes contest cap, NOT a BB that positions himself "well in range", and NOT a cruiser that positions "one side protected waifu and spam the other side". Well aren't we happy we have CVs.... I don't think it is that rare. Maybe because I usually play in weekends. But I have a divvie who is a DD-main and he usually never dies during the game. If I play alone, well yes, say you have 3 DDs and which one will you go follow... We had one game we were in div in 3 cruisers. I decided to follow the EU DD, my divmates ask why. They went after a Mahan. So I said follow that EU DD he will not smoke up, sit in cap and die. Hahahaha gues what I was right. Hahaha don't get me started on that one. Human nature is weird. One bad experience will ruin 10 good ones because the bad ones are remembered better. AKA when everybody does their job/ what they are supposed to do, nobody notices or cares. That is true for DDs also, never get thanks when doing a great job but get cursed when they FF-up. I'd hope though normal society is not at least 50% who FF it up during the weekend, LOL.

The biggest problem with CVs is that their "balance" is ONLY how much damage they do on average in a 12 vs 12. So, if you put them 7 vs 7 that means they COULD just exterminate the whole team. The question is, how long do they need. Some CVs do DoT so they need longtime. Others depend on "the large whack". They can delete ships but can do so less often (RNG). The problem is not CVs as such, but the fact that all of them are broken. Depending on circumstances they become more or less OP. Say take T6, and Ark Royal. Now to do large damage in that one, you need a looooong game. Besides that it is spotted from the moon so in a small map... I doubt if it would be OP even in CB. But broken, yes. But then take Ryujo. In 7 vs 7 it can delete 2 ships pretty quickly and that would mean sure win (as 7 vs 5 results). Eh, and I know: the spotting. But since both teams then have a CV that is at least "balanced out".... T10 should be "the endgame"and ships (including CVs, however broken) should be more equal. Fact is that they are not. And in 7 vs 7 it makes even more difference. Why not have "mixed tier" if WG wants to try CV. Get T7 ships, but only allow T6 CV. Something like that.

Mate, every time WG brings a new ship I worry...

Oh man what would we do after those DDs die when y they YOLO to cap and smoke up (usually after 5 minutes in the game)...

Yes, but by sending the bombers I can still make you dive, so I can move my fat CV butt & run. Also, if you stay on the surface, every CV has some kind of secondaries. So, probably tyhe CV will make the sub dive (or keep him submerged). Now, when is that sub spotted? I think if he doesn't ping... not spotted when below 10m? It is gonna be a guessing game for the CV. Maybe he is flying around at point A, sub moves underneath the CV, torps from other side. Could be fun game. I don't think they are that dumb. Took 3 days for them to find the cheesing method. You can always tell what the CV brings - the symbol is on the planes. Also, if he is not pinging andf underwater the sub doesn't get spotted. Means he can surprise an unaware CV. Or even not ping at all and torp him point blank. Or spot him for his BB-buddies (we all know what happens to DDs that get spotted...). But you will be able to tell. OK maybe not if you are underwater and the planes are not spotted by you. We can also assume that 6.0 cheesing is the first thing WG will fix. And how much power those depth charges have (atomic, LOL) is a matter of balance. Maybe they have a smaller blast radius than those on DDs. It's all "fixable".

There is still fun, but you need a weird sense of humor. I play mostly T6/7 and the stuff that happens there is hilarious. You can still pull of meme-worthy moves. That's fun. However.... getting uptiered as cannonfodder to T9... nah.

...only a bunch of CVs. Nothing really problematic.

I'd advise Paracetamol and Ibuprofen... if that doesn't help, Alcohol. Oh wait you were asking what ship....

Why? The CV can either take the ASW planes or the bombs. I killed subs with torps, too. Had to be a bit savvy doing it. Well he can if he has ASW planes. He already has plenty surface stuff. But he can only use the ASW if he knows where that sub is. Not much chance unless the Cv goes assist some hydro-ship. SO the sub still has a chance - undetected underwater means the CV can't get him. he can't even see him. If that sub uses the ping, yes then the ASW planes would be upon him so it is a matter of outsmarting.

I know that but I have neither of them, nor Stalingrad. I don't mind the Kremlin that much, TBH. The thing I experienced is both Stalin and Venezia take 5k chunks or so. It is like a countdown, how long before my cruiser is sunk. Or if in CV, how long before they kill all my teammates. Some of them are quite good but well once the rest is dead they get flanked and it's done. We sometimes use Conqueror as a flanker, and sometimes that also works as a LOL-BB. The way they have done CB now, it is much much much too "one thing is best". I already said at the start of the season, this is gonna be Haku + 6 Colberts or something. Well, probably when you are ALL high-skilled that is true. But you have to imagine, there is us (some of us are quite good though) with 1 STalin and 1 Venzia, and we already have seen what the opposition has brung - and all are experienced enough to see DEATH COMING. So... yeeep... there is that Stalin that you expected there... Yeeeppp he shoots you and you can't do crap with your Salem... et cetera. And the thing is, I am kinda nuts but not insane. Forget CB this season. See:

I sometimes hunt DDs in a BB. Load the HE, follow where the torps came from. Works since I started doing it in New York. Still works in Conqkek hunting Shima. Granted it works kinda really bad when hunting RN DDs... You can't do a thing against subs. They are invulnerable. Even when a CV attacks you, you can be sure he doesn't kill you ate once. You also get the meagre consolance of farming some planes....

Well that is sort of true. But the counterplay would be easier for subs than for any other class. They just dive and can still be doing a lot of the usual stuff, like pinging and sending torps. What would you call "effective ASW"? I'd think they get planes that drop depth charges instead of rockets. Could be "balanced" too. Between each plane having one meagre bomb or actually clusterbombing the whole lot. So far I didn't get one dead that was using the "cheese"method. I hit one, for meagre damage, and then he torped me from close range. I'd say 10 to one the sub wins when cheesing. The one that doesn't probably has fumblefingered it. Spotting for a CV (if he has to patrol keeping an eye on the sub) also means he is not making damage, BTW.

It is a steamroller kind of setup. My clan still got to Storm, I think that's not bad. But playing in that kind of meta is not really about skills anymore. And that is a problem, it is no fun. Like: why did you win? Because we had more Stalins than they did... or vice-versa.

TBH nothing can make CVs less broken, really. But changing rockets for ASW would mean some relief for the DDs. Also, those subs will hunt CV. It will not make CVs less broken - but a CV with ASW will hunt less DDs. As such they might have a go at getting the CV as well. This doesn't make much sense to me. Let's assume we don't have the 5.9-6.1m cheese we have now. Subs can deny spotting a lot longer than DDs can - underwater lasts longer than smoke. And suppose the CV takes an ASW squad to get him underwater. Then he can't drop bombs at the same time. he has to go get a different squad. Uh.. and then that sub dives. Dammit. Indeed now the subs spend a lot of time detected, but it is because of the 5.9-6.1m cheesing. At 6.1 they are still detected but CV can't hurt him. Only ASW can and that can't hurt him when he is at 5.9m. So yes they are spotted a lot now. But CV cannot hit them at all. And when WG kills off the cheesing, they'll go under and stay undetected. PLZ explain to me how what you said makes sense?

My compliments that you came here to actually tell that.

Yeah man. I do that too. When my Arizona sees @El2aZeR and his Enty I just "run" to map border and hope he doesn't see me. Uhhh... I mean for example if I see it is, say @Inappropriate_noob in CV 2 tiers lower that might be a bit less of a problem. Or maybe not. Certainly the fact that you know CVs makes you better. And you even know what type can do specific things. Half the DDs do not know that. It is probably why you do good in DD. Most of them even waste time typing curses in chat. Sometimes it helps too because I miss the torps when I am LMAO. Whuutttt only 5? I had 20 in a row. You luckeee bahneeyyy! Certainly deserve Yorkie now!

... in some way or another. CVs can have ASW planes instead of the rockets, for example. Time-delayed mines for BBs... so they can drop them while they run. Maybe CA should get "forward firing" hedgehogs? Depthcharges are fine for CL and DD. I suppose WG realises this though and just wanted to see what happens.