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Well, sometimes I also have a hard time finding any logic in my teams lemming train. Especially when that lemming train happens when they try to win harder... On the other hand... when you see it happen on the red team...

Yes, basically you are trying to help them to win, but you see them tater to death. CV is more of a strategic overview, and you understand what happens. Sometimes you can actually do something about it...

Yes, when you are in Kaga just stay away from Halland unless he screws up. He'll just shoot down the whole squad without the CV getting a shot. Unless your team spots him and you can get him full boost, surprise him with torps, or bomb him form behind an island. BTW he must have wanted you dead badly there...

IMO you should limit spotting for all CVs, "like in a cyclone". Minimap only will do, except for ships that are close.

Indeed. We can conclude that the way it all works is sort of "not making sense at all". Besides that, IMO the biggest problem is that a CV spots for the whole team. If they'd fix that it would go a long way - make whatever the CV spots only visible for those ~8km around. And the rest gets minimap. But maybe that is what WG is "testing" with that cyclone in CB. Best fixes are always "the natural way". Sure ships would be informed if planes would spot a ship. They'd receive data where it was (minimap). But they'd not be able to shoot it from the other side of the map. Same with AA damage. Make players (with DEF AA?) able to pick one side of the attack squad, where AA concentrates. Then when they manage to shoot down one of the attack planes, that should be an opening. Then they can finally "just dodge", as they know where there will be a likely gap in torps/bombs/rockets. AA starts chipping away at the LAST plane... So the actual working is this, and we can see it in FDR perfectly: A few planes attack, meanwhile the last planes take damage. So, provided the CV-player doesn't fly into FLAK clouds, the first two/three/four will live. Actually if he has plenty planes flying overhead (not tattacking) they function like a damage sponge. Yes I know, it is pretty sick...

Boarfff well maybe you have a different Kaga than I have...

Well, sometimes you shoot down 50 polanes and you have almost no damage on the planes. Which is, because your DD is sailing next to that Smolensk... he damages 99% and you "secure the kill". Very satisfying... DUH.

Yeah and no planes shot down? This is why.

The main problem being, if you do 99% damage but the plane makes it back, it gets repaired - no problem.

Depends what way you think it is worse, but I think I agree. Means I must get it of course...

Again, I meet a forumite, but saw it too late. @Arkaeon managed to whack me but at least I outdamaged his Parsefal... Also I managed to kill a DD by torpedoes... well after the rocket nerf, gotta try , eh. Well done mate, thought your team would potater to death but our team just tatered harder... And yes that's 2 DD divvies, we train for CB (LOL).

Probably most would call that "potato level". Yes it is no consolation.

There's an easy way of doing that... just make a set of points for each ship. Total CB line-up cannot exceed a certain number. You could even fit in different tiers. And then say CB = T8-T10. One could take a LOT of T8s... (a bit like what they recently did).

Well, I got A LOT of comments here in this game... guess what... uit was the division of *EDIT* that died first. They potatered like *EDIT* and then blame CV for not saving their behinds from 2 DDs.... they all got -1. I rarely do that. I guess they do not know the German DDs don;t deal well with DDs? Or about their concealment... Well I guess they didn;t know anything at all... Colorado ended up having to do a DDs job, as well as Gneisenau. I killed the enemy CV... torped a few DDs... However still not enough. Any pointers on these German Skypiggies?

That Hawkins is the worst... I really hated it. You managed fine though. T5 doesn't get that much XP anyway I think. So far only sinkers for me... maaaannnn!

...and now I saw @Allied_Winter who was teaming up with one of my Clan Members... Didn't end very good for me either. Is it the forumites or this CV?

I just met @Panocek in a hilarious ROFLSTOMP. He was the only survivor... OK maybe it was a bit meagre that we were the ones getting ROFLSTOMPed. Team on my side completely collapsed, I got a torp into the red DD in smoke, pestered a cruiser a bit but that's all. Even then I ended up halfway... yes that's how bad... well at least the red DD had a good day (gave him +1, no more karma to give left unfortunately). Better luck next time mate!

This can be fixed... I think WG is actually trying something. Hesistantly, but still. I mean: THAT CYLCONE. Maybe they'll finally got to it that a limit to spotting-for-the-whole-team is waaayyyy overdue. And then still, damage is balanced for Cvs vs 12. Not vs 7, but we'll see. I like playing CVs too, as i do BB and CL. Equally divided. I don;t care if they stick me in a CV, a BB or a CL. I will try hard and enjoy the banter, the LOZZ and the REEEE with my clanmates. Unfortunately I am too crud with Dds (LOL) so stuck at T6. Though WG gave me a Silliwangi... FWIW I think you are right, let those top clans prove themselves and just play 2 BBs. Maybe they'll even wreck enough to make other clans go 2 BBs as well. And if not, it will take them a bit longer to reach Hurricane League, so what? Oh wait... maybe @Beastofwar is right after all about statpadding and winrates...

Looks like it has user-manual 144 pages long... I guess this is fun, but only for the few that can manage it.

Yesterday got 120K damage in a T8 game, with Ark Royal... Yeah man CVs are fixed...

Have no worries they'll start selling those soon... Did you get Pay-To Rico?

I'm waaayyyyyy ahead of you mate.... I'll leave those scrawny little snacks for the radar cruisers. Some of them were getting too spicy anyway. Yes Halland that's you. And I won't waste spotters on them, might need them for my own defence... When you can kill one, go for it, for the rest, naaaah.

Well, the whole affair seems to me a result of too much "snowflakes". As in, people think they should be entitled, if they just attend. Or something. Expecting a trophy for being a total useless piece of baggage rather than actually performing. If you do not have the tools (like @Beastofwar missing his favouruites due to reset) or missing the skills (I suck and I know it).... ...then there's many going reeeee reeeeee, but the problem is actually just being a snowflake. So, snowflakes, yes you suck and no being a poor useless sucker does not entitle you to anything. GitGud... or settle for being cannonfodder.

I agree with that it is stupid (man my eyes almost popped out when I heard it, could not believe it). However I think there needs to be a HOLE left and no "refill from above". Certainly in higher tiers. That would mean the system should be more like "more bombs & torps", so more like Midway/Kaga etc. Less damage per bomb/torp, and some would be missing due to plane shot down.

If they are all sitting there the Shima could just go LULLZZZZ on them. Yeah they could cycle hydro, but hey, randoms... Smolly doesn't really need spotting... minimap & "hey I hit something" is plenty troll enough. That thing is baaaadddd... Yes BB preferably needs spotting, else you won't hit them. Killed plenty Dds though in CB, did the spotting myself. Of course that's Conqkeke and the only DD I really fear in that is Daring. Rest won't sink me unless they co-operate... ah well... even in CB... But yes the spotting is indeed what is wrong with CVs. Mainly the spotting for the whole team to dig in. It would be the first thing I'd fix - CV would spot only as far as the detection range of the planes, or something.