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This is just the thing though. That Halland wanted to get a "pelt" and he was alone. But so was Bear. Now that Fletcher smoked him up, else there was a very good chance Bear would be the one dead and not the DD. In "average" situations, where you have to find that DD, and then go for him: - you need to fins him first, and you cannot use the "detected"icon - his friends will be closer than 9km (you will detect his friends, so can't find him that way); - now this is a Halland, so he has no smoke... what if he has... or some buddy smokes him up (yes fat chance I know); - And... there was also "just the Halland AA" to deal with. Mind that 80% of other CV-pilots would have lost the whole squad. - ALSO he was lucky to be in Midway so he could bomb him. Average CV-player cannot bomb DDs, and IJN/German... I do not agree, really. I'm "just a savvy one" but I outplay most CV-players (based on position/XP on the after-battle-list). I can kill a Halland, but even if it would be the same situation, THIS is likely to occur: - Halland spots me, red Yamato goes BLAPPPP; - RNGesus hates me (or WG has lag, or whatever), I lose so many planes can't do much; - autopilot is drunk, instead of moving away it goes borked and Halland gets me. Only way I can kill him is if he is spotted by my teammates. Current case does show that a nerf/limit to "spotting for whole team" would solve a lot of stuff. Also you can't go slash DDs left/right. You can only slash one at a time. If you find him...

True. I had a bunch of 6 minute games. Well that's weekend for ya. I think that it is still a long time to kill off a... well... "quite misplayed" DD. And this wasn't a potater CV-pilot... and he was close... in Midway. What if he had Manfred? When in Kaga, I can't even keep a Halland spotted. There is no use hunting them, as I'll just lose all planes. Might get in a few rockets... except if my teammates spot him, as I can then attack him directly. But IMO that is how it should be, T8 IJN CV with flimsy planes vs T10 AA-spec DD. They are certainly not a one-shot-kill. Now nerf that "free spotting for all" and we are getting somewhere.

Yes this, else they are pretty much useless. But while they are still viable:

There's a few things to be said about that though... - You started looking for him at ~5:20, he was dead at 9:20 --> so that is 4 minutes; - You had help from teammates, 2K at the start, your rocket-attack did less... and 6/9 planes shot down; - after that you hit him with bombs, but your teammates still helped... and 6/9 planes shot down; - he is then at 50% but your teammates bring him down to 20% while you pick up the rocketplanes; - he shoots down 5/9 of your rocket-planes when he is at 2.5K, and you do not manage to kill him; - Fletcher has come to your aid, and even so he has re-gained HP to 3500; - then you sink him, finally. Of course a Halland that, 5 minutes into the game, is at that position... well... eh... no. However it took you 4 minutes (20% of a full game) to kill him with help from your buddies. A lesser player (me...) would have needed a lot more. And usually.. help from teammates.. .well... Your rocket sights may have been a problem... but you SEE that... I wouldn't. I'd just curse at RNGesus and at Hallands in general. And yes I'd probably have killed off that Halland... but I doubt it would end like that every time and with every player. That said - I do think DDs (and AA-cruisers even more) need some sort of Halland AA, all of them. I also think CV spotting needs to be nerfed to ~8km. Would fix a lot. Agreed to that.

The only thing I sometimes get is a T6+T8 CV. Never had T8+T8. Even 6+8 is quite rare.

The thing is though, I can trigger those fighter squads, and still drop. And yes they have great AA< but well, AA is kinda... ehh... and it is not Halland-level. I can throw torps at distance and not be bothered... since they do not accelerate (and are usually parked anyway). True. But if they are close enough, I'll get them because they can be the main factor for the win/loss. I can definitely farm harder than a DEAD CV.

They'd have to put some AA on T4 ships and then it would be OK. I mean, actual meaningful AA. Or get them a GTA sniper rifle. In fact I'd prefer if they did that, then CVs "could get used to it as well".

Actually it was WeeGee who invented they should get TWO torps instead of one. It was bad enough before that... oh and then you could get THREE CVs PER SIDE in a match.

Could do with MvR/FDR, done it in other CVs as well. It is not because they cannot fight each other. It is because usually one CV is in A1 and the other is in Z24.... As such they are an unatrtractive target, you'd have to fly over half the team first. True. But if the red CV is nearest, he'll get attacked too. It is a fat cruiser, often oblivious to what happens around him...

Would it have mattered if the CV-spotting was limited to ~8km? Anyway kudos for shooting, most of times I lose lots of planes and my $#^team doesn't even shoot. CV go kill that DD! Yeah right, somebody hasn't been paying attention, much. More like "much dumbass needed". Yesterday I got blapped in my Edinburgh. I sneeked up to one of those pan-Asian DDs, then I used hydro and started the dakka. He sent torps (I knew that he would). Didn;t worry about it since they were DW torps. Got reminded there is deep water torps and DEEP deep water torps.... Same in a BB. You sail at same speed, straight line and are detected...

The problem here is the spotting. If they swerve from your rockets, your team will make them into piñatas. The same thing for other ships. It is not the CV-attack that is the largest problem. You get no points for spotting. I think that it should be largely removed.

yes indeed it could say "you already have this ship". Which will be quite useless as AFT is gonna disappear.

We won vs a bunch of scrubs... they had a CV and we were running 2x BB.

I'd wait for how that "captain skill rework" turns out. I have a special captain for Flint, as else the gunrange is ~11km... 13 is bad enough...

You haven't been paying attention... ARP Yamato.... 35K Dubloons.

Wel the same might go for anyone else, and it will then still show you as "best player". Somehow I never have that problem I don't use it but some I div with do, I think it is always hilarious to hear them go off on a rant. As in: "OH MAN the reds have 5 <30% players"... or "we have a division that has 60%WR... combined".... Sometimes it is funny too, like when on the reds a player has 25% WR and ARP Yamato. Do you think he'll get farmed??

You don't know Match Maker Monitor? It is a mod that will show the WR (etc) of players that are on the reds. If you are a good player, that means they better keep an eye on you. It means they see this, and your name will show up in blue:

Maybe they run Match Maker Monitor and wanted to keep an eye on you? This also happens to other players. When they have 'GitGud' they tend to get more focused. Not that it helps much, generally.

I wonder, as I have Flint - what if I get it for coal? Will I get the value in dubloons? Doens't look WG has anything interesting for me for coal nowadays. As steel, for now - after that FDR potato-CV, will probably get Stalingrad anyway though the Plymouth looks interesting.

I mostly use them when I am completely ^#@#% with the teams I get... about after 5 ROFLSTOMPS. And I got going with CVs when they brought Ark Royal. Then saw sooner or later *(TM) WeeGee would put them into CB. So, it was kinda like Pokémon: they're BROKEN AF, so gotta catch them all...

Would be kinda worth it for CB on a Manfred... rockets all the way

Why? Because they won and their Akizuki ended top even outperforming the CV? NERF DDs, DD = OP, dammit DD, something like that?

Me too:

Don't look if you can't stand the filth, but guess what happens when you have another (clanmate) in a whatever-ship join up...

My usual divvy plays DD, and we really clean up when we div... Seems hje has no problem with CV. Also, this doesn't really SEEM so. He just doesn't care. He is used to having a CV around and kicks @ss even harder.