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I know how you feel... having 1800 batlles in t5 Zuiho and a winrate of 79% in that magnificent ship... i would also want the rollback... but the rework is nice too and Zuiho will come back so no worries ☆ LOL

@ToreDL87 Amazing post and nice to see there are players who comment in her who know how to adapt and aren't stuck in their beloved old meta! There are certainly options for every class to play well against an enemy CV. Depending of the skill adapting might not always keep you away from danger at all times but for sure diminishes the effect the enemy CV will have.

I would be lying if i said you are right. I disagree, DDs are certainly to be dealt with. The only CV that has problems doing so is the IJN line. As long as you play the USN line and with a bit of experience you will deal with any DD easily. DDs don't really need nerfs, IJN CV line needs a buff or a mesns to deal with DDs more effectively like USN. I'm sure @El2aZeR can maybe add something if he's not tired yet of all those posts. But DDs don't need a buff and if you play correctly are certainly spotable. Yesterday i had some fantastic games again, 3 Kraken and a few 6 kill and one 7 kill battles in my CV. Half of these killd are usually DDs

Numbers decreasing one week and increasing the next is natural. The decreasing numbers used in an argument about if it's the fault of the rework or not was wrong is why it was so heavily debated since it was used as a point and reason to make it the reworks fault. Those conclusions are rushed to assist in argueing that the rework has a bad influence. @ForlornSailor Most casual players leave it on as you say and if they find time to play one game they do. M clan is full of 40+ year olds with kids and a family. They leave the game on when they take breaks to look after their kids and play if they find time. It's pretty normal behavior. Therefore players online is actually the more valueable number, not battles played since those people would have played that battle if there was time regardless of cv rework or not. If the CV rework had an influence then one who is demotivated to play the game wouldn't even start it and if they start it to collect a daily bonus immedietly after terminate the application again.

@ghostbuster_ Your argument basically every time: Argues point without elaborating. Me calls out the point. Argues that if you add X it obviously could be made to work, dummy!! Amazing! Let's add ideas to the ideas on the fly and claim that it's supposed to be obvious all along! (old rts system the t5 torps did nearly if not the same dmg as t10 torps btw)

No man it shows that you are not able to understand since we were talking about t5 and for t5 40+ torps is more then you would have had time to drop anyway. At t10 where health scales up by your or damage numbers you would need more than 90 + torps to kill a BB. You don't even understand how your own scaling works. You propose these ideas with half a heart just shooting out there what forms in your head without any indepth thought and think it's genius right away just shows that you are more than overestimating yourself. But i guess spouting all day and talking about WoWs playerbases in a denouncing way is the only thing you can do. Now stop being so narcicist please. even in todays games at tier 10 getting more then 40 torp hits takes way to long to warrant going for it making torp bombers only useful to split those enemy blobbing fleets if they don't outright ignore the suicide torps. Speaking of suicide torps you lose so many Bombers you won't even be able to drop enough torps to kill a lone BB if it is not a Musashi "without" a fighter plane. Maybe if you played enough CV games since rework you would actually know what you are saying. BTW your other Clan members are much more humble, try that for once.

No. Your point is laughable. If you need 5 - 6 torps for one DD then you need 12 for a cruiser and 24 for a BB? You are out of your mind man

on t5 you can hit a maximum of 2 torps on a auto drop cross if the DD doesn't try to catch them. So you would need 1 minute to fly there, drop the DD, wait 1min to fly back to ship, 30sec to reload torp bombers, fly out again 1 minute, hit 2 again. to land 8 torps to kill a DD you would need to invest 10minutes of a match of time given that the DD is not in smoke + doesnt know how to dodge. Here you go! yeah this would be to hard for me and my patience

8 - 9 torpedos to kill a DD. Brilliant. You must be trolling right?

People got confused because you call (and you are not the only one who does it, a certain Cc does it too) Rocket planes - fighters

I dont even need to prove numbers, everyone said the rework was needed, Flamu, Flambass, Notser, iChase, Fara, whole reddit, official forums. Like everyone said that, you are lying if you say you missed it. I will certainly not search up the videos and posts where that was stated since ANYONE knows who has been interested in the rework that it got a majority aprovel (not how it happend,that there is a rework to happen) You lack understanding, done with you too before you start moving goalposts

"The rework is needed" does not equal "the rework is crap" Get that right first before you tell me i'm talking Codswallop. Also reddit 2 months before the rework happend is your answer and not only that. Even the official forums,especially the NA forum was hyped up for the rework. Here you go now tone down your feelings a bit, your microagressions scare me. And also me against the world??? NOOOO it's me against people whining forever and ever projecting and producing feelings everywhere instead of answering in a normal non degrading way either towards players or wargaming. Hardly the world LOL

It's pretty nice that opinions are always and will always be opinions and WG is in charge of the balancing. It's very damn good wargaming is in charge to decide what is balanced and what is not too. After reading that post it just reassured that stance of mine.

No. And you know it. Pointless question. Also i am done arguing about feelings. It's pointless. Many agreed the rework was needed. It has been done. How it is recieved is a different story.

At the moment i think it is still to early for that since alot of slower players (players who maybe play 2 -3 battles every day) still need to get used to the changes to form a mostly well grown opinion. Maybe in the middle of patch 8.0.2 or was ist 8.2? Would be a good time in my opinion

With this current poll we are at a head to head race anyways. Which is suprising since usually the vocal majority comes to the forums to complain not to praise. State of my post 121 like rework and 120 dont

Never said that. I'm just saying how it is. They lost their enjoyment because of their taste. It's normal in this world that not everyone can get pleased. You will never be able to achieve that. And it lools lile you really don't want to agree at all. Why is that? I myself am lucky, i loved both so i didn't really lose anything. Another one might have disliked RTS and gained rework. Fara liked RTS and disliked rework, therefore stops playing CV. And another one dislikes both. How do you please them all? You got a solution?

You can not always cater to everyones tastes. You sacrifice some to get it to be more accessible to others. That is not a bad thing and will naturally draw away people as the old System did. It's normal. Can't please everyone. Farazelleth probably lost "his" game so yes. Did people gain "their" game after rework happend? Probably also yes.

I know about Farazelleth. He is in the same boat as me. I learned how play play CV from him. Aquireing all that skill for nothing. But i enjoy the rework and he doesnt. His tase, my taste. Just because he got screwed does not in any way invalidate mine or the average players enjoyment who like the new system more then the old.

You are biased about players stats who post about reworked CV in a favoursble manner. What others? The unicums? There are for sure some who also enjoy the rework? Or are these people also not falling under the same category as the ones you care about? WG is definetly not screwing the majority at least then. The middle finger is shown only to thode who want to see it as one. To me the middle finger looks like ice cream. But my 65% wr before rework possibly isn't enough because i enjoyed a t5 ship and premium cvs :P

Are you saying certain players are worth more then others? How do you even get to that conclusion? And CptMinia being a first exception? You are also biased now. I like both RTS CV and the rework. Both are fun to me. Not all RTS players are screwed with the rework regardless if i matter to you or not.

It's just that you may have way to high expectations. The average player is to enjoy the CVs. It needs to be at a level so they can get enjoyment. Nothing wrong with that. Your expectations are to high if you even include me in "everyone who defended the CVs on this very forum" Like what do my stats need to be to not be included in "everyone"by your standards? You sre insulting. Try being more humble.

Oh lord is that another attempt of yours trying to attack me? Have lost count. Me saying CV are easier to play is objectively true for all players. The rts sytsem with it's UI was a problem for many more then what the current system is but whatever. Also when i climbed that winrate in my enterprise i just began to learn the finer tricks but i guess any CV player below 70% in rts is subject to your hidden judgemental remarks huh. Also we are talking sbout the whole playerbase not some clans. I couldn't care less for dedicated clansmembers to leave. They will be replaced by new dedicated players. You find no fun? Leave. 'Tis better that way for sure. But the overall playerbase? Nah, not declining

Oh my, shockingly revealing. Cover it up quick! You shouldn't buy lottery tickets

No need to rewrite them. You should play the current CVs more. We will otherwise have to agree to disagree and that's me being done with you. Still haven't provided any proof about playerbase decreasing and staying that way.