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Yo.....we start this..... all over again? Not necessarily. I didn't say that it was total. That was you :) Otherwise.... nope. Well the problem is that the steps taken were totally inadequate, to almost non existent. Usually Wedgie takes one step forward and 3 to 4 backwards.

Yo... that's not what I said. Read it again.

Yo......I asked a question. You made the claims. I mean at least let\s pretend that we play the fair and squire game

And dat is..... not a requirement? Yo.....

Than you should have no problem searching up every thread (and post, coz as we know it was forbidden) about this subject on all servers to demonstrate that the same people posted them. Ya know, just for fun....:P

Lolz.....Yo, the winning would be if the game would be better. I don't care about winning an argument on the forum.

Oh....just look up FCKTRRY.....you will understand in no time. And even if they play the game they play it because it is requirement, not necessarily because it is fun.

Well...it is a LOT easier yo make money if people are happy. What data is needed to show, that double Cv games are a complete bonkers and unfun? 2-3 threads per week? Or per day? We talk about the third year now., lolz...

You see, part of the problem is that is widely known that the devs don't play their own game. Now, that is understandable, after all it is their job, however not having people around them, to warn about what they don't understand or can't relate to, is just simply wrong.

Erm......no. While the human factor present variables and challenges, they are, in our case, not unpredictable. This is where knowledge, craftmanship and talent comes in.. Also peerness. That's correct. However.... ...nope. Information is blind and can be easily tainted, both during gathering also during interpreting. Especially when interest also plays a part, coz we don't talk about scientific goals here. No doubt about it. However Wedgie have tainted themselves forever with declaring the Cv rework a success when it is an abysmal failure. Well.....tbh i kinda doubt that they are interested in anything else than calling it a day. And the forum response is directly related to their attitude towards the player base, both spoken and actioned. Well...information is not science, however science provides information. Yeah, well....people are tired of the "usage of numbers" as an excuse, especially when contradicts widely known facts. And.....read what I wrote earlier about creeping up into places where it has none. You see?

Tho at this point it is a bit an overkill.......the USSR was never socialist, let alone communist, tho marxist (well marxist-leininist) it was . The only places where you will find real "communism" are in monasteries and kibbutzes, because it presumes and requires the renunciation to self interest, namely that humans, in virtue of the evolution of their consciousness, will stop competing and will start "coworking'. That's why he insisted on the necessity of an intermediary socialist state, where "everything is provided", so humans will "forget" the reasons for competing and will embrace the opposite. He was no stupid, but idiot.... he was. There are countless contradictions both in his theory, and also reported to what we know And data gathering, while it is an important scientific tool, it is not science, because it doesn't provide an explanation, without..... interpretation.. And back to the USSR...... quite arguably it had all the hallmarks of fascism, however it is scholarly incorrect to call it as such, being from the Left. Therefore could (and actually does) create a LOT of confusion and misunderstanding about what is A and what is B.

Hmm......that's actually not bad, not half bad. However nope, forks didn't helped command and decisions making, therefore their usage had localized effects. Ditto. However, this game is developed for humans, therefore, just like with history, it is crucial to understand the importance of the role of the human factor and experience. Also I didn't claimed the he actually hates something, I said he could came across. And, like I said, using numbers is not a problem, however using numbers solely, deterministically and primarily is, which is exactly what marxian, ergo materialist sociology actually does and advocates. Actually in stark contrast with what Marx actually wanted. Both the URSS and the Third Reich used extensively "science" as means to provide an, obviously false, legitimacy to their respective narratives, effectively perverting its role and also trumping any opposition to it. In case of the URSS, falsely pretending that their societal organization was superior to the democratic, therefore liberal West, in case of the Third Reich to declare an, again obviously false, racial superiority. While there are indeed differences, between different parts of humanity, however they are all just conditional, meaning geographical-habitual-cultural (read that as causality) and stripping that away will reveal the sameness. No offense but remind me what was your line of arguments? Oh yeah And in the case of the URSS the legacy of all of that, we are seeing it, right now. However, instead of societal organization, the search for legitimacy have shifted it onto nationalistic grounds, making it a genuine fascism. Still, in case you wonder, democracy is fundamentally incompatible with fascism, fascism is always autocratic. I didn't look up those numbers, I petted my belly for an example :) But I repeat, is that a..... success story? Yeah.... In case you wonder, you need at least 70% acceptance rate to have a success. Also you have to consider the actual and proper context (like Cv reeework and other failings and the resultant mistrust) Erm.....you didn't. But you did alluded to opposition to "proper" "'science" , as such right? While declaring what is "proper: and what is "science". And.... again, right? While that may have some trueness, you again have to consider the actual and proper context. And I repeat, outright rejecting the peerness is the fundamental problem. Having different responsibilities, is not an excuse. Ur welcome:)

So...there is no question that subs in their current iteration are broken. There are more than enough talk about this so..... this wont be about that. Instead It is a proposal Subs should have two kind of torps. Both of the homing variety. Yo wait......I know. Just.... hear me out The first ones should be the actual guided ones with ping , short ranged (4,4.5 and 5 km with the ping not exceeding much) and with long reload. A sort of last resort weapon, so evading/defeating them would be a matter of skill. Also hunting the subs. The second variety should be of a lose, auto homing variety, possibly with varying RNG elements to provide variety between the nations Also a sort of homing on movement mechanic should also be a possibility. ASW weaponry should be gradually more effective as the range is closer. So what you think?

So....

in essence Players: How much fun can U remove from the game Wedgie? Wedgie: Yes

Well.... all the valid criticism has been already covered. Still I should add two things: still no qualification rounds into ranked itself, and i have mixed feelings about the lack(?) of tier separation. Otherwise soo much this

And actually....... if we are all part of the community, ergo peers coz we all want the best for the game,( right?) it could be called "peer review".

The core tenet of marxism as a philosophy is that "no man should exploit another man". The problem is that is intertwined with other, significantly less philosophical "things". Not to mention the gazillion of contradictions within. Was he well intended? Yes. Was he an idiot? Yes. Is that science? Never was and never will be. Yo, I know for what Aspirin is good. However. until the gazillion of problems are sorted out around marxism I'll will be reticent towards it . Not to mention to call it a science nor to let it be used in anything... scientifical No to mention the fact that the Third Reich used extensively statistical analysis. it doesn't mean that numbers are evil however it "proves" that can used for evil and "evil" purposes. I know, however it would not reveal motivation nor if they are balanced or regarded as balanced. El2Azer is one of the best Cv players in all wows yet if you talk to him he would come across as one of the biggest Cv haters. And that's a fact. So your precious numbers mean exactly sh#t if it is not paired with other means of evaluation. Now go back and read all of my posts once again , this time slowly., until you get it. Those numbers don't talk about player experience bud. People play the game, but if your metric is purely how many leave, you will never improve your game. Of course. You were trigger happy to call me "which burner" and whatnot so I decided to be a bit... "scienciy" Bud respect shown respect granted. So if 80% are against but 10% is neutral and 5% wants them is a ...success story? Just..... lolz...

No doubt about it. However from what pov they analyze that data is not subject to peer review, therefore its value can be called into question. Not to mention its and the form of analysis. "Many" is an undetermined "in the air" expression. Is 5.000 people "many"? Of course. Is 5000 many reported to 100.000?. Well...like I said earlier. There were no positive polls regarding subs. Either on NA nor on EU. But that could be solely related to their implementation and not to subs themselves.

Erm....marxism is no evil. However postulating it as a form of science is wrong. People however indeed have used it for all sorts of evil purposes. Yes. And even the legal system recognize that as being an altered state Right?. So.... your point is? No. It can be however qualified. Cox people can change their behavior, either consciously or unconsciously I never said that. You became touchy for whatever reason when I pointed out that it is wrong to call marxian ergo materialist sociology as a science. Also I pointed out the danger of calling it as such.

Yo no. That is an exact science. You are confounding our bodies and the processes within with "us" While we, as we know at the moment we are inseparable from our physical part it doesn't make it an exact science in the sense that you were suggesting. Can you quantify consciousness? One can qualify it but not quantify it. All sciences are based on data/observance, however not all sciences are exact sciences. You know why? Because the human factor instill enough variables to make them as such. Ur welcome:) Btw rule based systems of any kind don't work on humans. See the USSR among other things.... Lolz.....isn't that the "very basis" of computer programing? That isn't a science? Lolz.... Lolz..... isn't that the core tenet of marxism? And isn't that how..... propaganda works? Yo....nice try but no, try again.

Well....that is their problem Actually not only but that is a different discussion. Well...yes and yes. And ..... not necessarily. We absolutely can observe things and yet their significance can still elude us. Otherwise that's how science "works". Personal experience/observation - verification -acceptance. But that doesn't work on anything related to humans. Ur welcome.:)

Well I said lose, Pete. Like 5-15 degree correction. Coupled with some RNG like duds or losing the target.

Thanks, But I repeat, subs need homing.it is needed to set them apart from dd's. As for the auto homing torps, different size of conn's ( for aquiring targets wider front or back) could open things up for skill based play which also could be further balanced in conjunction with reload/torp speed/maneuverability/ target aquiremnent distance, yadda yadda, providing different nations with enough different identity.

I kinda do because subs rely too much on a gimmick and less on skill in that regard. And yet again also create a double jeopardy just like Cv's do. Yes and that's why I'm saying what I'm saying. Actually while this was from the top of my head it seems more and more like a solution. And that's why subs need homing. Just not the way it is now.