NothingButTheRain

I totally agree with you on all counts

SO MUCH THIS! *insert praying smiley here*

Wooster can be run at 19,2km btw. Sure the shells will take half a match to land, but it's definitely possible to farm stationary BBs that way Smolensk range is not the main issue for me, but I can certainly respect you having adifferent opinion about it. I totally agree with HIV needing its maneuverability to survive. It is supposed to be an open-water cruiser after all. But for me, as long as HIV won't bleed more speed when making turns, this nerf seems aimed at people who play the stationary/speedboost dodging game. And even though I don't really care about this stationary-speedboost dodging myself, I find it hard to justify WG spending time on this nerf while we still have russian bias to correct (even Sub_octavian mentioned on reddit or someplace that WG went a bit too far with these newest russian additions).

I'm not so sure about that. And don't forget that part of the reward for teamplay (yes I know this is a bit dubious as you will dpeend on your teammates a lot for this to matter) is to make your team win, thereby reaping the benefits of a win instead of farming lots of damage and thus causing a loss. However, I do support your sentiment in wanting to make teamplay worth it for DDs. Iirc WG did state that this was already rewarded, but we (as mere clients) don't know how well this is rewarded. My personal experience is inconsistent in this regard. often I have no idea why I end up on top or why I end up bottom place and for the rest I have only other mere players such as myself to go on (which isn't much to go on).

O don't get me wrong. You know as well as I do how much I like playing DD myself. I may not be the most unicum one there is but I'm certainly not someone who one should ignore when in a DD (even though I secritly hope so ). What you say about taking punishment when spotted by a CV is correct, but I think that part of the problem is the lackluster AA that surface combatants have these days. Remember the days when Atlanta would get avoided like the plague by any carrier? Carriers don't really care about loosing planes because they hardly ever run out of them. Imo WG should definitely make AA more relevant again. They are pushing their "CV must be played at least this set amount of times or we gib them buff" agenda too hard. Right now, when I'm playing a surface combatant that is not a DD, I'm actually glad when we got a bottom tier CV in the match as he can at least deal with enemy DDs in case the green ones potato or go borderlining or something and bottom tier planes are not as bothersome to me. DDs are btw supposed to be the worst damage dealers, even according to Flamuu. This is also why DDs are cheaper to buy and unlock.

DD is definitely the hardest class to play in the game, but it also has the most potential (disregarding carriers that is as these are once again a class in their own, unfortunately). I however think that things like capping are in fact rewarded quite well. I've had multiple games (not often, but this happened several times and the memory stuck because I found it so remarkable) where I did like 2k damage in DDs in a loss and still came up on top of the scorecharts. I've also had some games with very low damage where I was doing mostly picket stuff and had by far the most bxp. Spotting? I dunno how well the game reewards us for this, but being near a cap certainly matters a lot. Lately (to give an anecdotal example of the reverse) I had this one game in which I divisioned with a Smolenks and was myself alsoa Smolensk. I purposefully stayed in the far back and spammed from afar. My divmate was almost brawling a Kremlin who pushed in and got killed within 6 minutes or so while I survived till the end of the match and even had the opportunity to get nasty near B on shatter. And I ended at the very last spot while my teammate (who also didn't do a lot of damage and lasted wayyy shorter) ended up somewhere halfway I think? I wasn't playing all too seriously, wanted to try out something. But me being last spot was noticable to me and I presume this is because I had spend so much time at the far back. So I suspect that gameplay near caps is indeed rewarded, but you probably have to be inside the cap or do cap resets or something in order for it to matter? However, having said this, I fully support any initiative to bring some more teamplay to the game and disreward selfish play. But it will be hard to match this with my other wish to make players more independent from each otehr so that individual skill becomes more important.

I think you are ignoring the main issue here. Btw, I didn't change the response. I only responded to the part that I actually quoted. No need to feel attacked because of it. Hey look! More elitism! I am sorry, but your elitism will most likely not entice me to change. In fact, I believe it is you who should change instead. You don't like battleships? Hmm..lets see how this could be, hmmm.... You are a cruiser main, so you like playing cruisers the most. You are a bad player and get spanked left and right. I'm pretty sure you would like to change that because who likes being spanked like this for weeks on end, right? Your Cossack gameplay makes me want to cry. How about you go compare those stats to MY Cossack stats. I will show them here: What a world of difference this is. I only edges you out (negatively speaking) regarding the winrate and it will take me a single win to outdo that one stats with the 9 games I played with it. But even though you played Cossack more often, you are just so much worse with it. Btw, note that you play somewhat better with BBs. I will come back to this in a bit. You perform best in battleships. So obviously in your opinion this is because BBs must be overpowered. So there we have it. In conclusion, you s*** with cruisers and destroyers and get blapped left and right. This is why your stats in these classes are so horrendously poor. With battleships you don't perform AS poorly and because you cannot be the cause of your poor performance in cruisers and destroyers, it must mean that battleships must be overpowered. And that is why you come crying BBaby on the forums, because for you it is easier to externalise the blame instead of gitting gud

I think WG understands the importance of spotting perfectly well. If WG were to make all ships be able to completely ignore planes, then there would be no purpose for a carrier in the game and this is something WG will never accept anyway. So a solution cannot come from this way anyway. I think my suggestion would be more worthwhile to consider.

If I had been grinding the PR for free, I'd probably have to pay money for physiotherapy to get the use of my shoulder and arm back. It's unhealthy and imo a game should definitely not be unhealthy.

I know the russian ships probably won't get nerfed. It's most obvious in how the balanced Stalingrad back in the day (that was a real puppet show) and how Kremlin receives the most meaningless nerfs, it's just laugable. As if they are afraid to tweak Kremlin in any negative way or something. I do agree that Smolensk is a strong ship and it is certainly a ship that is complained about a lot (and I know from both perspectives), only that if I were to choose how to nerf Smolensk, I'd probably make it as easy to citadel as the French NTC token dakka cruiser and would only slightly nerf its fire chance as fire is Smolensk main characteristic, just like speedboost is HIV main characteristic, and I am not for nerfing primary characteristics of any unit in any game. And I know I am probably a bit alone in how I would nerf Smolensk (mainly make it easier to citadel and change its fire chance and that's it, no range nerf as this is also a main characteristic of that ship). Also Kremlin is made even worse due to the elite captain it has.

Yes, I thought as much. Now comes the monkey out of the sleeve!

No, they were always like this. With all of their complaining and cryharding and blaming others. Or at least for as long as I remember in the last 2+ years or so. DDs have always rushed forward to die within mere minutes and are the root cause of some of the major reworks WG ended up doing. If some DD line is not viable with any particular meta (and this is generic advice going for any class), then better not play any particular line. DD as a class is still very much viable. The only issue I have with playing DD myself, is with there simply being too many carriers in the game...but I don't like the large amount of carriers in WoWS regardless of what class I play. Yes, DDs should use their conceilment to their advantage, but many simply don't want to, don't know how to or don't care. They use their superior conceilment to get to a spot from which they can farm more damage easier for instance, but they don't wanna cap or spot for their team so they can push. Carriers can find you anywhere and Smolensk is not a particular issue with DDs. Actually, Smolensk is one of my least worries when playing DD as it does not have any tools to find me anyway. It cannot spam over islands due to the flat trajectory of their shells, so with some positioning you can pretty much negate its existance. Not so much when playing BB. Then you turn into a crisp real soon (tm). When playing DD, the most important thing I look out for when the battle loads is carriers, radars and what DDs the enemy has (along with which ones I can outspot, outtrade, outspeed or which ones have hydro and which ones I should avoid altogether). And like I mentioned before, there's just too many DD players out there that just want to shoot the red stuff from their secure smoke bubble or to torp slow big fat beebees with impunity from the edge of the map. WG can't teach those. We can't teach those. If players don't know what they should do, then they should to back to the lower tiers and learn what to do. Or go ask on the forums or watch streams and youtube vids about it, or ask around. It's not really that complicated for them. The best way (imo) to make the game as least unhealthy as they can is by limiting the influence DDs have so the rest of the team has more of a fair fighting chance when my team gets another potato DD that suicides and makes for an unpleasant gaming experience for the 10 remaining ships because a mere 2 decided to yolo in and die. And this is imo a main issue here which is being neglected in the game, a too high dependence on your teammates which results in inherently unfun gameplay for one group of indiciduals because a minority ruins it for the rest.

While I agree with you that cruisers are probably the last class deserving of a nerf. Btw, Smolensk also exists and last time I checked this was also a cruiser.

Isn't it too early to go nerf it now anyway with the IFHE changes on the horizon which will hurt this ship as well. Btw, my thought is that WG is nerfing these parameters to deter stationary henris from dodging incoming shells by simply speeding forward or backwards after the shots have already been fired. But then again why would WG also be nerfing standard acceleration parameters if this were the case? The acceleration and deceleration only matter if this ship bleeds speed while making a turn. If not, then I don't really see this as much of a nerf (even though Kremlin probably still received perhaps the most meaningless nerfs of any tech tree ship recently). Btw, @Captain_Newman is correct in that speed is probably the main characteristic of this cruiser (coming from its speedboost) while WG seems overly allergic to nerf Kremlin in any meaningful way.

It's basically something of a tier 10 battleship with radar in a cruiser slot. Of course it's still not as good as stalingrad.

I guess it's time for me to get a cup of coffee Thank you kind sir

Btw, anyone else notice that at this time, a mere 89 people have managed to complete directive 7?

No wonder my CTRL+F didn't find anything

So where does this article mention the end date? It only mentions the missions but not the directives The missions will be accessible from December 12 till January 16.

One of the main issues with DD players (or of any player actually) these days is more that even if you give them the correct tools, many of them will still not bother with working for their team but will spend their time spamming torps from the borderline, yoloing into a cap and knifefight or die, sail to the enemy spawn to look for the enemy carrier in a non-carrier game and dakka dakka farm from their smoke bubble anyway. Even in perfect matchmaking, there's just too many DDs that go die within the first 4 minutes of the game. They got smoke, they got conceilment and they still mess up..on their own behalf. These players are really THAT bad! I agree with you that it is almost as if these DD players need a special version of the Target Acquisition Module along with not being able to be spotted from planes and immunity to RPF and HE shells. Oh and give them all max 2km conceilment and they will just find new ways to frack things up and blame everybody else for their own failures.

Them removing the paid boosters while keeping the freemium boosters and making the last hurdle to get PR is clearly meant to entice people to spend more doubloons. WG knew very very well that this grind was gonna be a hellish one and iirc the premature disabling of the doubloon boosters wasn't even visible from within the game client.

I think WG did offer some explanation as to why the rocket fighters. Perhaps I don't recall correctly, but it may have been to spice up the game or some similarly semi-arbitrary reason. The eliminate enemy CV part is definitely true and this was actually what happened in the game. But this also caused all sorts of problems with potato CV players wasting their team to go send all their planes around the edges or the map to try and snipe the enemy CV which would fail in like 90% of the tries. So this was changed for gameplay reasons (this is why carriers have perhaps the best AA in the game and they basically cannot burn. Carriers post-rework can scout just fine btw.

If you're referring to BBs, then you are forgetting that they have received even more nerfs (like the AP pen nerf and the CE nerf) then DDs and your post is probably 100% bs. Such a shame. Your post started out in an interesting way and had caught my attention.

The people who are saying stuff like this all the time are the stupid people that everyone should be ignoring anyway And obviously OP (and some others) referred to DD players that actually do suicide because they don't like the matchmaking, not because someone was complaining about them as they had made up their minds already before the timer even started

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